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00:41 < dansa> Hey, I wanted to give thanks to the OpenBSD community.  I'm a new user and I was happy to see the installer downloading the proprietary firmware for my video card and wireless card.  I promise that my next computer will not need such proprietary blobs, but having made it all so easy for me now I can use OpenBSD and learn about it.  Thank you for making *everything* work here out of the box!  I am so impressed.
00:41 < dansa> I got a lot of work to do now in setting things up my way.  Merry 2025!
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00:45 < plague> wow alot of people here
00:45 < plague> hello world!
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00:47 < phy1729> It's a holiday and nighttime, so probably will be pretty quiet.
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01:02  * oldlaptop sets off an air horn so it's not so quit
01:02 < oldlaptop> or even quiet
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01:12 < macarona> OpenBASED
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01:18 < slondr> hi, does openbsd on amd64 require ssse3
01:20 < phy1729> OpenBSD System Requirements and Supported Devices   in   https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.6/amd64/INSTALL.amd64  doesn't mention that
01:24 < slondr> ok, awesome!
01:26  * oldlaptop would expect your hypothetical baseline-amd64 machine from 2002 or whatever to work just fine
01:26 < setient> i would too!
01:27 < pardis> provided you don't intend to browse the modern web with it
01:27 < oldlaptop> Well, there is that.
01:27 < oldlaptop> (A *really* early amd64 machine would be a headless opteron box anyway)
01:28 < oldlaptop> perversely, under at least some reasonable conditions such a box could serve modern web
01:28 < oldlaptop> (much of which is geared towards offloading computation from the host's beefy, expensive servers to the client's cheap, overloaded chromebook)
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01:30 < setient> i mean, for static content, it would be fine or light dynamic content
01:30 < setient> i got python with flask running on my sunfire v100. its pretty slow to start but solidly ok once running
01:31 < oldlaptop> the static-content part of the job is no different, and in a large subset of cases a lot of the dynamic content is the user's problem
01:31 < oldlaptop> (no different from what it was when the 23-year-old opteron boxes were made, I mean)
01:33 < slondr> yeah I'm not too far off from that, I've got a bottom-shelf AMD chip from 2008 or so 
01:33 < slondr> booting an openbsd vm in proxmox was giving me all sorts of ssse3 unsupported errors which I'm guessing are proxmox related
01:33 < oldlaptop> sounds pretty far off to me - is that even a K8 as opposed to K10? :P
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01:36 < slondr> ah, yeah it's a K10
01:36 < thrig> K9 is your best friend
01:37 < oldlaptop> instructions unclear; attempted to befriend a pack of wolves, now require medical attention
01:38 < setient> i had one of those opteron 154's 
01:38 < setient> back in the day
01:38 < setient> it wasn't a bad machine
01:39 < thrig> odd, it worked out for mowgli
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01:39 < setient> maybe it was a different one. i don't remember!
01:39 < sibiria> K10 is the last family before AMD's PSP was introduced into their CPUs, iirc
01:40 < sibiria> or maybe some of the later models still came without it?
01:41 < setient> i mean, you can get anything without it if you have enough money
01:44 < sibiria> https://freundschafter.com/amd-processors-without-amd-psp-secure-technology/
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01:49 < setient> sure but you could get an epyc chip if you wanted to, just gots to pay. they do custom sillicon you know!
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01:59 < slondr> sshd is failing to start for me on a fresh install, is there a place I can look for its logs?
02:00 < mischief>  /var/log usually
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02:00 < slondr> nothing in /var/log seems to have sshd output, and none of the files there get updated when I try to start the service 
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02:01 < sibiria> sshd -t, sshd -d
02:01 < slondr> aha, it says all the host keys are an invalid format
02:02 < sibiria> meaning you have replaced them with the wrong things
02:02 < sibiria> the correct way: ssh-keygen -t ed25519 -f ssh_host_ed25519_key
02:02 < sibiria> ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -f ssh_host_rsa_key
02:03 < slondr> interesting as like I said this is a fresh install, it failed on first boot
02:03 < slondr> I will try regenerating them 
02:05 < slondr> ah well that worked 
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02:13 < pardis> the correct way is 'ssh-keygen -A' (after deleting the old ones)
02:14 < pardis> if you make it more complicated than that, you risk screwing up unnecessarily
02:14 < setient> ah yeah, on first boot if you have ssh enabled, it would generate ssh keys. this happens on the first startup of sshd 
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02:21 < pardis> no, neither of those things is correct
02:21 < pardis> it happens on first boot regardless of whether ssh is enabled, and it happens before sshd starts
02:21 < pardis> in fact, it happens on *every* boot regardless of whether ssh is enabled (but is ordinarily a noop if the keys already exist)
02:21 < slondr> yeah I had enabled it in the installer, first boot sshd crashed and the host keys were invalid 
02:22 < pardis> most likely there is an error on your console from your first boot after installation
02:23 < slondr> hmm I vaguely remember an error printed about lack of randomness. that could be related
02:23 < pardis> yes, it could be
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10:37 < megaTherion> After reading dhcp-options manpage, I figured that "option classless-static-routes" works in dhcpd.conf, however providing also the default route explicitly doesn't work to me. Someone is using this?
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11:02 < mischief> megaTherion: dhcpd is ~very old isc dhcpd, so most of the same rules apply. that said, you might want to just read the source
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11:24 < megaTherion> mischief: not really satisfying, I can also debug the packets with wireshark first
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11:48 < supaman> megaTherion: you can try to paste the output of dhcpd.conf, route -n show on the cient who receives a dhcpd and how you expect such a route to look like
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11:48 < supaman> see topic of this channel about paste
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12:00 < puffybuf> I installed full disk encrypted openbsd-current on a usb stick. I was going to unplug the power cable but accidentally unplugged the usb drive--while it was doing pkg_add -u
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12:01 < puffybuf> what a shit-show I basically had to uninstall all my packages and reinstall them
12:01 < puffybuf> I was getting weird errors about \0 in filenames and bizarre filenames in the packages database
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12:03 < puffybuf> anyways, I want to scan my /usr/ for files that shouldn't be there (are not associated with packages)
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12:05 < puffybuf> also, I can't get mouse wheel scrolling to work in firefox. Not sure if it is wayland thing. I realize now how important that feature was to me
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12:59 < daugaard> @puffybuf You can do that kind of scan by installing pkglocatedb and running pkg_check -F >foo; grep /usr/local/ foo
13:01 < daugaard> There'll be a few false positives in the output. E.g. some cache files that aren't themselfes in the content lists of packages
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13:57 < vortexx> puffybuf: fastest for /usr/local is to do pkg_info -m >/root/pkglist && pkg_delete -X && umount /usr/local && newfs /dev/rsdXY (your /usr/local partition) && mount /usr/local && pkg_add -l /root/pkglist
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14:04 < vortexx> at least if you stuck with layout defaults or at least made a separate /usr/local partition
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22:32 < shtrophic> Is there any C-API that gets the number of processes and is portable between linux and openbsd?
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22:37 < mischief> portable? no
22:38 < mischief> have a look at kvm_getprocs(3)
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23:01 < shtrophic> Thanks
23:01 < shtrophic> But I mean processors
23:01 < shtrophic> Oops
23:01 < shtrophic> Physical processors
23:01 < shtrophic> So, what "nproc" does
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23:06 < quinq> There's _SC_NPROCESSORS_ONLN
23:06 < quinq> (from sysconf)
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