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01:44 < ssm_> recommendation on port for parsing json?
01:44 < ssm_> specifically yt-dlp --write-comments output
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01:48 < thrig> I used jansson to parse restic output, and it wasn't terrible?
01:48 < phy1729> jq is the standard for command line jsoning
01:48 < ssm_> thank you, I'll take a look
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02:04 < oldlaptop> ssm_: if you read https://sqlite.org/json1.html you will either find your new favorite json tool or not
02:05 < oldlaptop> (Maybe not my favorite json commandline tool, but definitely my favorite json parser/generator library for Tcl.)
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02:41 < adonis> With openbsd acting as a router, how would I go about detecting a website url being browsed and then routing the packets via a different gateway? I have relayd picking up on the url but it only lets me "forward" to another destination while I instead need it to "route-to"..
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02:48 < oldlaptop> it might be better to explain the broader context of what you're trying to do
02:50 < adonis> oldlaptop: I have a wg tunnel (vpn) which I want to put specific websites through when they are requested. The websites themselves have many varying ips so its not feasible to simply add the ips directly in pf, and was instead thinking of doing a transparent proxy via relayd to pick up on the websites being requested. I'm missing the part of how to route the sites to the wg0 interface once relayd
02:50 < adonis> picks up on them though.
02:52 < pardis> what you are asking for doesn't really make sense from a network point of view, independently of how you would implement it with OpenBSD (or any other specific tool)
02:52 < adonis> pardis: why doesn't it make sense?
02:53 < pardis> by the time a URL can be known, you already have an established TCP connection via a specific route
02:53 < adonis> pardis: is that really true if relayd is proxying the connection?
02:54 < pardis> ah, I'm actually not sure in that case, I may be wrong
02:54 < adonis> yea, if relayd is in the middle it allows forwarding to other hosts for example.. thing is I'm not looking for "forwarding", I'm looking for more like don't modify the packet at all and put it on the wg0 interface
02:56 < adonis> from what I got in relayd.conf man pages, forwarding modifies the destination address (which I need it to stay as is) and placed on the wg0 interface
02:56 < oldlaptop> By the time relayd knows the full URL, forwarding/proxying is all it can do. It's substituted itself for the real web server.
02:58 < pardis> what happens if you try 'route to'?
02:58 < adonis> oldlaptop: I guess that’s a short way of saying it S/SA'd the connection right?
03:00 < adonis> pardis: route to is not allowed if you are using the "relay" section of relayd.conf.. It's supported in "redirect" section :) but redirect only allows level 3 inspection not level 7..
03:00 < pardis> aha, I see
03:00 < adonis> lol yea
03:00 < pardis> you could set up a layer 3 proxy that just routes all traffic via the wg tunnel, then forward to 127.0.0.1 back into relayd
03:01 < pardis> that is, it first goes through a layer 7 proxy that chooses whether to pass it on as normal or forward it back to relayd, and if it gets forwarded back to relayd then it gets routed via wg
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03:02 < pardis> actually, that probably won't work since you'd need to inspect at least the Host header in the second step
03:02 < adonis> pardis: I thought of that but I don't think that will work. "forward" will change the destination address from the target web url to the relayd "redirect" instance..
03:03 < adonis> meaning I will lose the destination address
03:03 < oldlaptop> poking at the big knot some more: what would be the bad consequence of putting things other than the special websites through the wireguard tunnel?
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03:04 < adonis> it’s a pretty bad consequence.. it would mean people browsing google.com on my network would be routed out the other end of the tunnel (aka, singapore or wherever its at).. I essentially want only specific websites (with dynamic ips) going out there.
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03:05 < adonis> I don't think my use case is particularly wild tbh, but yea, it hasn't been easy implementing lol.
03:07 < pardis> do you actually need filtering on URLs? what you just described sounds like you want this to apply to whole websites
03:08 < adonis> I don't need filtering no, I just need all requests to specific websites (and possible redirects) to go out the tunnel; keeping in mind the ips for these sites are very dynamic.
03:09 < pardis> in which case you can handle this in DNS, have clients see the IP address of the remote end of the wg tunnel instead of the "real" address, and have a proxy there send the traffic on to the "real" IP address
03:09 < pardis> bonus: traffic to other websites doesn't need to traverse a MITM proxy at all
03:10 < oldlaptop> possible wrinkle: clients set up to DNS-over-HTTPS or some such foolishness
03:10 < oldlaptop> perhaps they deserve what happens to them
03:10 < adonis> oldlaptop: lol, in this specific case, that’s not an issue. all the sites are http, not https
03:10 < pardis> that's not really relevant to DNS-over-HTTPS
03:11 < adonis> oh.. true
03:12 < adonis> dns-over-https will not be done though
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03:14 < oldlaptop> You'll still get clients (IIRC some smartphones these days?) set up to run their own resolvers.
03:14 < adonis> pardis: so your suggestion is, overwrite the dns requests for the sites to return my own proxy running on the remote end of the tunnel and then have my proxy simply pass the requests out?
03:15 < pardis> yes, your proxy would then need to do name resolution based on the URL requested
03:15 < pardis> this is also arguably more correct: if any of these websites have geographically-varying DNS, the request will go to the appropriate address for the place where it exits the VPN
03:17  * oldlaptop might argue this is only trading one kind of wrong for another
03:17 < oldlaptop> but only to be irritating
03:18 < adonis> pardis: relayd do can do name resolution on a url that it picks up at layer7? Not seeing how that would be implemented.
03:19 < oldlaptop> more seriously it should be least-pessimal, should it not? assuming magic-geographic-dns is used for the most obviously legitimate purpose of minimizing network distance, and not for such purposes as serving different content to different areas
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03:22 < adonis> heres a general question also, tags done at the relayd level can be acted on at pf? Or the other way around is the only way that works?
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06:37 < shtrophic> Lucas_: hmm, IIRC it already creates an unbound-rpz?
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09:06 < anddam> back to my yesterday question about opensmtpd I was able to focus a bit more on where the issue is, it's on the transfer that is the remote delivery of the messages
09:07 < anddam> I paused -P smtp -P mda    and could see the repeated block of mta subsystem failing to connect and retry, so I'll start tracing its component and eventually track down the error
09:08 < anddam> meanwhile, day 2 without vanity domain email
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09:24 < mischief> i missed the convo yesterday but i still mercifully have my free google apps domains
09:25 < mischief> otherwise the inevitable move to smtpd would likely have already happened
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09:43 < anddam> mischief: I still do, this is out of ~~fun~~ curiosity
09:43 < renaud> opensmtpd works quite fine
09:44 < renaud> anddam: I don't know your issue, but you might have better luck on #opensmtpd
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09:47 < anddam> I am sure opensmtpd works quite fine, and it will for me once we become more acquainted
09:47 < anddam> actually I did manage to hack the config and run the smtpd for two years
09:48 < anddam> now I jumped host, brought previous config but something got lost in translation
09:48 < anddam> or traduction in this case
09:49 < sibiria> or just some other host config outside smtpd that you may have forgotten
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09:50 < sibiria> happens easily if the setup is not documented or "deployed"
09:50 < renaud> can you paste your config?
09:57 < mischief> i used to have a shell host with a secondary domain that ran on smtpd on a vps, but after being broke that all went to shit. running a shell server was kinda fun though
09:58 < mischief> and yes, you should paste your config and logs.
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11:28 < anddam> yep, need a little time as I am pretending to work rn
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11:39 < RobbieAB> 32yc^p.MQQ?#arue
11:41 < IcePic> not a totally bad password
11:41 < CosmicDJ> nice password, time to change it though
11:41 < RobbieAB> Indeed...
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15:01 < adonis> For some reason, when I type 'mail' as my normal user I am seeing mail delivered to root. Yet when su'd to to root, I see no mail? What config is driving that?
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15:01 < IcePic> adonis: sounds like /etc/mail/aliases have your id as an alias for root@localhost
15:03 < adonis> IcePic: I checked that file, and I haven't modified it. My id is not in there..
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15:03 < phy1729> Could be /root/.forward
15:04 < adonis> yup! it is. What set that up that way? I didn't even know about that file
15:05 < phy1729> distrib/miniroot/install.sub does echo $ADMIN >/mnt/root/.forward
15:06 < adonis> and that makes it so mail meant for root is not even in root's mailbox now but instead in my current user? I thought forward somehow still deliver it to root.
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15:06 < adonis> would still*
15:08 < IcePic> it does deliver to root, which then forwards it to your account, but doesn't keep a copy
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15:09 < adonis> ok. Thanks!
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16:56 < lts> wireguard errata, sounds interesting
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17:01  * oldlaptop takes this to be the wireguard issue that's been bouncing about on the lists for a little while
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17:36 < tommyrot> Traffic sent over wg(4) could result in kernel crash.
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18:41 < puffybuf> anyone use cloud hosting for openbsd virtual servers? I'm currently using linode for just $7 / month with their cheapest option. It's pretty cool I can run wireguard tunnel and have my own obsd machine on the web.
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18:42 < betabug> you could go to the amsterdam guys
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18:48 < setient> puffybuf: https://chrispinnock.com/2021/05/18/openbsd-on-aws/ i guess you could do this!
18:50 < sibiria> puffybuf: i use oracle since 2 years or so. previously also scaleway, but their hosts have made things a bit too complicated to continue it
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18:50 < setient> https://www.linode.com/community/questions/27/how-do-i-deploy-a-custom-iso looks like you can do it with linode and a custom iso
18:51 < setient> oh you mentioned that already :)
18:51 < setient> you can, if you are clever, find one of those cheap kvm hosts and install openbsd from linux over the os itself using the swap partition, if there is one
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18:57 < phy1729> I have OpenBSD on GCP, but haven't updated that image in a release or two
18:58 < Lucas_> puffybuf: I use OpenBSD in Hetzner and Alwyzon
18:58 < Lucas_> run -current in a few of them
18:58 < Lucas_> it works well, but I haven't tried their ISOs
18:59 < Lucas_> I create the servers as Debian (any Linux, for the matter), then download and check miniroot76.img and `dd bs=1m if=miniroot76.img of=/dev/sda`
18:59 < Lucas_> it's important to refer to the whole disk and not a partition (no sda1, so to say)
19:00 < Lucas_> (also check the correct disk, which might not be sda--it's an example)
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19:03 < Lucas_> and then force-reset
19:04 < Lucas_> doing a `shutdown -r now` might not work
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21:03 < anddam> setient: I did that with my cheap kvm VPS provider, installed a Void Linux using grub and sideloading the ISO
21:03 < anddam> Lucas_: so you can dd the system you are running dd from?
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21:04 < anddam> I made a bigger ESP and copied the iso there, then rebooted into grub's prompt and loaded it from there using the installer
21:09 < Bradipo> Why does the User-Agent for Firefox on OpenBSD report as Linux?
21:09 < Bradipo> It didn't always return Linux...
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21:10 < Bradipo> Someone change a compile-time option to try to hide OpenBSD users from prying eyes?
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21:10 < Bradipo> Make us "blend in" with the rest of the Linux crowd?
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21:12 < ssm_> Bradipo: netsurf-gtk3 reports as `Mozilla/5.0 (OpenBSD) NetSurf/3.11` for me links+ is `Links (2.30; OpenBSD 7.6 amd64; LLVM/Clang 16.0.6; x)`
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21:12 < Bradipo> Hmm.
21:12 < ssm_> netsurf is definitely mozilla
21:13 < Bradipo> Right, but I'm running Firefox proper, not netsurf-gtk3.
21:13 < ssm_> well there's the problem!
21:13 < eea> what's wrong with Firefox?
21:13 < eea> ;)
21:13 < Bradipo> Not sure why that's the problem.  As far as I know FF used to report OpenBSD.
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21:15 < ssm_> eea: I'm surprised PPA wasn't patched out of ports immediately, or at least disabled by default
21:16 < Bradipo> What's PPA?
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21:16 < ssm_> "privacy preserving" attribution
21:16 < ssm_> aka adware
21:16 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/ua.txt
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21:25 < tommyrot> Google and the Linux Foundation today announced the creation of the "Supporters of Chromium-Based Browsers" fund to help provide funding to open-source developers working on Chromium-based open-source projects. In addition to Google providing funding, Meta, Microsoft, and Opera are also part of this initiative.
21:25 < Bradipo> Is that satire?
21:25 < tommyrot> nope
21:26 < Bradipo> Is Opera still a thing?
21:27 < thrig> they dabble with a reskinned chrome, just like microsoft does?
21:27 < Bradipo> I did give Opera a try 20+ years ago.
21:27 < Bradipo> Yeah, seems that Opera just uses Chrome underneath now.
21:28 < Bradipo> Chromium rather.
21:28 < eea> soon, all the browsers will be chromium methinks
21:28 < thrig> funny way to spell IE6
21:28 < Bradipo> That's pretty sad.
21:29 < ssm_> hellworld, as per usual
21:29 < Bradipo> When do we get OpenWebKit? :-)
21:30 < jcs> you can have ladybird
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21:34 < ssm_> I have many browsers installed depending on various levels of awful: [ungarbage]ftp -o- | less, links+/w3m, badwolf, ungoogled-chromium[max containment]
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21:34 < ssm_> netsurf between badwolf and links+/w3m
21:35 < Bradipo> Yeah, I've heard of ladybird... hopefully they don't make it dependent on Linux to work. :-)
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21:45 < ssm_> apple, not linux. ladybird switched from c++ to swift some time ago (which doesn't appear to be ported)
21:46 < sibiria> there's swift for linux and windows
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21:55 < Bradipo> Oh, well, in their FAQ they said Unix...
21:55 < Bradipo> And that they had not started on Windows or any other platform but Unix-like.
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22:23 < mischief> that's neat, gitea died.
22:23 < mischief> gitea/gitea.log:1797:2025/01/05 06:21:14 cmd/web_graceful.go:51:runFCGI() [F] Failed to start FCGI main server: accept unix /var/www/run/gitea/gitea.sock: accept4: too many open files
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23:19 < ssm_> just learned that I'm supposed to be copying the pubkey generated on my local machine to other machines instead of copying the private keys from other machines to my local machine -_-
23:21 < dlg> yes
23:22 < systemdsucks> so you type more
23:22 < mischief> hack the planet
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23:44 < byteskeptical> that's just a reverse shell homie
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