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10:14 < morpho> is there a way to diagnose power consumption from peripherals?
10:16 < morpho> stuff like USB drives, sata drives, GPU power consumption, wifi
10:17 < sibiria> no. you will need a middle-peripheral
10:21 < morpho> how does stuff like powerTOP work on Linux?
10:21 < sibiria> finding out if something is powered or not is sometimes not even found on advanced USB controllers typically found in servers
10:22 < morpho> hrmm, you can disable USB ports right? like cut power to them completely
10:24 < sibiria> powertop reads a lot of stuff from acpi, but that itself doesn't magically enable measurements from your USB controllers
10:25 < sibiria> your platform likely exposes TDPs and similar for at least the CPU, and often for some PCI devices
10:28 < sibiria> and just guessing here since i haven't used powertop in a long time and last i used it it was not giving accurate numbers on anything, but powertop probably also has a wide uncertainty margin and may need user input to be meaningful
10:31 < IcePic> it could be useful for relative measures, even if the absolute values are off
10:31 < sibiria> definitely useful as an "in-OS kill-a-watt" yes
10:31 < sibiria> toggle this and that on and off to see what happens
10:34 < morpho> i wanted to have a look at power consumption on openBSD. i usually just run my system at 25% cpu usage. But dont know where to start before having the ability to make a diagnostic of power usage
10:35 < sibiria> ultimately you will find the truth between the PC and the wall outlet
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10:36 < sibiria> i really recommend running obsdfreqd to keep the CPU side of things cool and efficient
10:37 < morpho> cpu usage is only 25% of power consumption on average. and i hate my fans kicking in so just run it low
10:37 < morpho> how is obsdfreqd different from apmd
10:37 < sibiria> apmd doesn't do what it used to do anymore
10:38 < sibiria> during idle the CPU is usually the lowest part. unless you have a beefy graphics card, it will usually be the most power hungry component in the system
10:39 < sibiria> apmd no longer scales CPU freq. (power) based on load. you should use obsdfreqd for this
10:42 < morpho> il check it out. a lot of the peripherals have a 'powersave' mode that i could enable. Atleast GPU and USB controllers. There was an exploit related to a wifi drivers powersave-mode on linux fairly recently
10:43 < morpho> so i can only guess why that does not work at all. wifi is a big battery killer though
10:44 < sibiria> i honestly don't know if openbsd has any support for e.g. ASPM
10:45 < sibiria> openbsd supports power saving on a few of its wifi drivers
10:46 < sibiria> in general, openbsd is considered a bit of a "battery drainer"
10:46 < morpho> i think its fine
10:48 < renaud> it drains more battery also because it does security stuff other OSes don't do
10:48 < morpho> linux has has more optimisations, saving those cpu cycles is going to save battery life
10:48 < renaud> If you enable filling freed memory with zeroes, it will take time and battery
10:52 < morpho> i fiddled around with FreeBSD and got it to have the same power usage as linux by just disabling usb drives, making sure gpu powersave was on, just tweaking the peripherals. But i noticed a significant improvement on battery life going from 7.5 to 7.6
10:52 < sibiria> imo those things are the minor part. if i boot linux on this thinkpad, it will in general be using a lot more quiescent CPU while idling, but it still runs about an hour longer than openbsd does
10:53 < morpho> hrmm, i can personally reduce power consumption of my own programs by just putting timeouts around hot-loops
10:54 < sibiria> ASPM is a boon for modern laptops. what drains battery is usually the things one doesn't think of much - internal pci/usb devices
10:54 < morpho> ^ yes
10:54 < sibiria> the wifi/bt, the nvme drive, sound chip being enabled all the time instead of sleeping etc.
10:55 < sibiria> and for a desktop class CPU those things mostly end up as "rounding errors" because of how hungry the CPU is
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10:56 < morpho> moores law assumes infinite resources
10:57 < morpho> energy consumption is very important :) I can help but dont know where to start
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11:01 < sibiria> you scared him off
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11:05 < morpho> megawatt consumption D:
11:06 < morpho> i was reading the mailing list and somebody had the idea to turn off cpu cores completely
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11:09 < morpho> i have done a lot of C programming but never at that level so dont really understand
11:10 < anelli> sibiria: would removing my t60's dvd drive reduce power consumption or it don't matter? i had it out for a while but the slot collected dust
11:11 < sibiria> i would guess even the SATA interface on it is sleeping while not being spoken to
11:11 < anelli> oh cool
11:11 < morpho> try disabling the driver and test somehow?
11:14 < morpho> sibiria: do you think powerTOP is not accurate then?
11:14 < anelli> morpho: oh good idea. does it requrie a recompiling? haven't done it before
11:14 < sibiria> i think powertop is only accurate for CPUs and for some PCI devices
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11:15 < sibiria> (PCI devices can report powerstates)
11:16 < morpho> okay, that counts wifi and usb then?
11:17 < sibiria> it might count wifi, it depends on the device too. your usb controllers don't sit on the pci bus unless you have one of those peripherals. then you *might* be able to get power readings off of it
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11:20 < morpho> thankyou
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11:21 < sibiria> i have a fairly modern desktop PC next to me, with AMD B550 chipset. i cannot get any useful USB power consumption numbers out of it, not with hwinfo on windows, not with anything on linux
11:22 < sibiria> but it will gladly tell me the TDP of my graphics card and how much power it's using at any given second
11:24 < morpho> okay, is there a way to do that on OpenBSD ? I am writing a GUI toolkit and measuring gpu power usage would be very useful information
11:25 < morpho> as i understand it, its the data transfer between cpu and gpu that costs heat and power, not the load on the processors themselves
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11:27 < sibiria> i don't know openbsd well enough on such low level, so i don't know if you have any easy way of accessing things similar to linux' procfs which exposes a lot of that
11:27 < sibiria> you have /var/db/acpi at least, which sometimes holds certain useful info, but it's not fully comparable
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11:29 < sibiria> data transfer between RAM and GPU is only temporary. you don't need to constantly transfer data to do work that ends up in the framebuffer
11:30 < sibiria> the GPU HW T&L and fragment programs etc. is what eats all the power
11:31 < morpho> well thats if you do it right :) 
11:32 < sibiria> mesa/drm should be doing things correctly on its end
11:32 < morpho> the wrong way is - sending vertex data to the gpu every frame, that transfer is expensive
11:32 < sibiria> you have no control over how poorly userland applications may be written
11:33 < morpho> yes
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11:36 < sibiria> there are a lot of terribly bad programmers out there, and a lot of software is utter shit
11:36 < sibiria> it's a great time to be a hater
11:36 < morpho> yep
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12:23 < Lucas_> anddam: yes, you can dd from the running system, bc most of the stuff is already in memory, and the very next thing you're doing after dd is a hard reboot
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15:33 < anexit> Anyone here able to get lotr2 working on openbsd?
15:33 < anexit> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_of_the_Realm_II
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16:31 < oldlaptop> anexit: shouldn't that run under https://openports.pl/path/emulators/dosbox ?
16:31 < oldlaptop> Or, I guess, https://openports.pl/path/emulators/dosbox-x ? (that one's new to me)
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17:12 < setient> anexit: god, i love lords of the realm 2
17:13 < setient> anexit: https://archive.org/details/msdos_Lords_of_the_Realm_II_1998 just play it in a browser. browsers are cool.
17:13 < setient> oldlaptop: you seen the internet archive dos stuff through a browser, you will be like wat
17:15 < oldlaptop> webassembly (and/or javascript as a compilation target) is indeed a wat. but not for the reasons you're thinking
17:16 < setient> well yeah
17:16 < setient> have you seen the Pi storm? that is really nuts
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17:28 < dansa> I've been using a USB mouse (Logitech) with OpenBSD 7.6.  It works.  I unplugged that mouse now to try to use my touchpad on this Lenovo Ideapad Gaming 3.  I believe OpenBSD detects the mouse just fine, but I can't get it move the pointer either in the console or in X.  You'll ask me for dmesg details.  The last two relevant lines seem to be: ums0 at uhidev1 reportid 4: 5 buttons, Z and W dir
17:28 < dansa> wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0  Let me know if you'd like to see more of dmesg.  I can replug my USB mouse and post the whole thing to a pastebin on the web.
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17:32 < tvtoon> So you believe but the pointer won't move, how can you be so sure you are moving the right thing? Check the xenocara log for details.
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17:37 < dansa> Checking it.  I'll BRB.
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17:42 < dansa> tvtoon: https://hastebin.skyra.pw/ifexarimat.yaml (Having disabled wsmoused, now I see these Xenocara logs.)  Before, X could not open the device, but now it can.  How do I know I'm moving the right thing?  I don't quite know.  I'm sliding my fingers on the touchpad right below the keyboard.  There seems be two buttons there as well---one on the left, one on the right.  The mouse pointer (on X) is in the very middle of the screen and it
17:42 < dansa> doesn't move when I do that.  But there seems to be nothing wrong anywhere.
17:43 < dansa> Output of xinput: https://hastebin.skyra.pw/tahedeyusu.bash
17:45 < dansa> I mean---the mouse pointer doesn't move when I slide (or drag) a finger on the pad.
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17:46 < dansa> Clicking the buttons also take no effect.
17:47 < dansa> Possibly relevant: https://hastebin.skyra.pw/kicuquyivu.pgsql (Output of ``doas wsconsctl''.)
17:47 < oldlaptop> this pastebin appears to serve nothing but an html wrapper around a bunch of minified javascript
17:49 < dansa> oldlaptop: https://hastebin.skyra.pw/raw/ifexarimat (Xenocara logs.)
17:49 < dansa> xinput output: https://hastebin.skyra.pw/raw/tahedeyusu
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17:49 < oldlaptop> ah
17:50 < oldlaptop> A complete dmesg is more interesting, I think
17:50 < dansa> doas wsconsctl: https://hastebin.skyra.pw/raw/kicuquyivu
17:50 < dansa> Will do it.  Just a second.
17:50 < tvtoon> ok, what is puzzling me is: you have a touchpad and USB mouse, is that correct?
17:51 < oldlaptop> X is not aware of the details of input hardware, it uses the abstracted devices wscons presents it
17:51 < tvtoon> from the logs, only the mouse is shown
17:51 < dansa> Complete dmesg: https://hastebin.skyra.pw/raw/qucemalatu (There's multiple boots there and I'm not sure how to avoid that---information duplicates.)
17:52 < dansa> tvtoon: I do have a USB mouse in the house---it works on this OpenBSD, but it's really my father's mouse, so I'm trying to make the touchpad work so I don't have to steal his mouse.
17:53 < dansa> tvtoon: only the USB mouse is shown?  The USB mouse is definitely not plugged in to this OpenBSD right now and having rebooted various times already.  It's possible some evidence of it still remains---I'm not sure.
17:53 < dansa> Isn't my touchpad also a USB mouse?  That's what I thought it would be.
17:54 < tvtoon> yeah, that is what led me think you were going for both, but that is correct, it is USB
17:54 < oldlaptop> For clarity, does this dmesg cover any points at which the external USB mouse was connected?
17:54 < dansa> Okay---sorry for any confusion.  I wanted to explain that I had a USB mouse plugged in in case you'd find some evidence of configuration.
17:54 < tvtoon> I never tried wsmouse with a touchpad, so I can't tell you exactly what to do
17:55 < dansa> oldlaptop: good question; it possibly does cover.  
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17:55 < oldlaptop> It's possible that the integrated touchpad is a USB device, but it could also easily be a PS/2 or IIC device. The latter could easily be unsupported, despite lots of work on those over the last few years.
17:55 < tvtoon> yeah
17:56 < dansa> This is a fairly new Lenovo Ideapad Gaming 3.  I would be surprised if it's a PS/2 device, but I have almost no experience with hardware.
17:56 < oldlaptop> This (in the latest boot) is suspicious.
17:56 < oldlaptop> ihidev0 at iic1 addr 0x15dwiic1: timed out reading remaining 30
17:56 < oldlaptop> , failed fetching initial HID descriptor
17:57 < oldlaptop> (if you're not aware, the "ihidev" in something like "ihidev0" in a dmesg will generally be the name of a manual page, in this case https://man.openbsd.org/ihidev)
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17:57 < tvtoon> lenovo is known to build this kind of bridges, so you may got some problem with that
17:58 < oldlaptop> jcs might be interested in seeing this dmesg (?) (and it also would probably be good to send to bugs@)
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17:58 < tvtoon> try any mouse you got, check stuff, buy a mouse, it is better :)
17:59 < dansa> What a small world---I was reading JCS website just yesterday!
17:59 < dansa> Yeah---I can get a new mouse, no problem. :) I'm a new OpenBSD user, so I'm checking out the territory. :)
18:00 < dansa> oldlaptop: perhaps you've spotted the right dmesg line.  I've no idea.  But it is indeed suspicious.
18:00 < oldlaptop> (I'm not aware of any relevant changes since 7.6, but I wouldn't be, necessarily - so "try -current" might also be helpful, certainly would be good to do before mailing in a bug report)
18:01 < dansa> New user here.  How do I "try -current"?  You mean install a different OpenBSD system?  Download it and install it?  Or is there a configuration somewhere here that can make it -current?
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18:03 < oldlaptop> the dmesg you posted appears to be from the latest stable release, 7.6; -current is the current (...) system under active development. Strictly speaking you would (probably) not try -current itself, but a "snapshot". See https://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html
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18:04 < oldlaptop> If someone (probably jcs :)) happens to have fixed your device since 7.6 was released, the fix would be in -current.
18:05 < dansa> Got ya!  Thanks very much.  I can take it from here.
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18:08 < oldlaptop> There's definitely no pms(4) device on this system. There appears(?!) to be a ums(4) device exposed by this thing: https://www.durgod.com/product/k310-natural-white/ (which for some insane reason appears to attach no fewer than three ukbd(4) devices and one ums(4) between three uhidev(4)s
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18:08 < oldlaptop> but on at least some of these boots that's the only ums(4) I see
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18:10 < oldlaptop> I'll assume OpenBSD does not benefit from its Durgod Zeus ENGING capabilities
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18:12 < oldlaptop> maybe the most reasonable explanation is that the same wireless reciever supports multiple products, including mice and accessory button pads (?)
18:13 < dansa> oldlaptop: that's my keyboard.  I have a DURGOD Taurus K310.  Typing on it right now.
18:14 < oldlaptop> Did you know it was a mouse? :P
18:14 < oldlaptop> (at least that's what it tells the operating system)
18:14 < dansa> I did not. :)
18:14 < dansa> Is it? :)
18:14 < dansa> There's nothing here on it that looks like a mouse.
18:14 < dansa> Of any kind that I could dream of.
18:15 < oldlaptop> non-contiguous lines:
18:15 < oldlaptop> uhidev1 at uhub0 port 1 configuration 1 interface 1 "Hoksi Technology DURGOD Taurus K310" rev 2.00/1.06 addr 2
18:15 < oldlaptop> ums0 at uhidev1 reportid 4: 5 buttons, Z and W dir
18:15 < oldlaptop> it's also three keyboards
18:16 < oldlaptop> (I guess it's not wireless? not sure where I saw that now)
18:17 < oldlaptop> other than the pretty wire-free picture (https://www.durgod.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/310-3.jpeg)
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18:18 < oldlaptop> Perhaps they use the same USB controller hardware in multiple products, or there's some other weird quirk.
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18:19 < oldlaptop> Your typical $5 USB keyboard will just be one uhidev and one ukbd.
18:23 < oldlaptop> "Seek for the Dopamine Planet" is my new favorite marketing phrase (https://www.durgod.com/product/s230-oasis/)
18:24 < oldlaptop> at least one of these has an integrated volume knob that could maaaaaybe be presented as a mouse
18:24 < dansa> No, it's not wireless.  I have two keyboards for sure---the DURGOD one and the one that's on the laptop itself.
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18:24 < oldlaptop> that's PS/2, by the look of it
18:25 < dansa> Interesting.  Yes, the DURGOR Taurus K310 has playback, stop, rewind, foward and volume keys from F1--F7.  I suppose they are to be used by pressing the Fn key (on the right).
18:25 < dansa> s/DURGOR/DURGOD/
18:26 < dansa> s/foward/forward/
18:26 < dansa> The keyboard on the laptop also has volume keys.
18:26  * oldlaptop was looking at other "DURGOD" products that could potentially share controller hardware: https://www.durgod.com/product/mk75-white/
18:27 < oldlaptop> this one brand probably isn't all that "Hoksi Technology" does either
18:28 < oldlaptop> Anyhow, the ums doesn't appear to have anything to do with the touchpad.
18:29 < dansa> Okay.
18:30 < dansa> So perhaps the touchpad really is that timeout---ihidev0 at iic1 addr 0x15dwiic1
18:31 < oldlaptop> Probably.
18:32 < tommyrot> i expect the rgb controller attaches as something too
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18:35 < dansa> Why is it that mice are so fat these days?  They used to be so thin.  Does USB have anything to do with that?
18:35 < Bradipo> I doubt the USB is the reason.
18:35 < Bradipo> They get fat by eating too much cheese.
18:35 < dansa> :)
18:36 < Bradipo> Ergonomically speaking, a wide/fat mouse is probably better for the hand than a thin one.
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18:36 < oldlaptop> Yeah, most modern mice will be filled with mostly nothing.
18:36 < dansa> That could be the reason.  I don't seem to agree with that, but perhaps the industry has gone in that direction.
18:36 < Bradipo> My hand starts to ache if I use a small mouse, because the muscles and the hand have to contort in uncomfortable positions.
18:36 < oldlaptop> (Maybe some weights to make expensive ones feel more expensive.)
18:37 < oldlaptop> the cordless ones won't need that so much
18:37 < dansa> Cordless ones tend to be thinner.
18:38 < oldlaptop> Anecdotally, I don't think mice have changed size all that much in the last 30-odd years. (The "fattest" one I have is from a good 25 years or so ago.)
18:38 < Bradipo> But wide/fat isn't necessarily a new thing: https://eintr.net/systems/sun/kbd-type5c-mouse-type5/pi/5.jpg
18:38 < oldlaptop> https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncollection/detail.aspx?id=125
18:38 < dansa> I used to like a white logitech with 3 buttons (no wheel button) that was much thinner than the logitech one I have today.  
18:39 < Bradipo> That old Solaris mouse I linked to above was pretty wide in it's day.
18:39 < Bradipo> That was before wheelmouse became the middle mouse.
18:40 < oldlaptop> (It's filled with mostly nothing. Not unrelatedly, the solder joints that hold the thumb button's daughterboard on tend to fracture after the first twenty years.)
18:40 < tommyrot> current day mice have a computer inside
18:40 < dansa> But I'd call it thin; by "fat" I mean https://img.kalunga.com.br/fotosdeprodutos/436361z_1.jpg
18:40 < tommyrot> and depending what "grip" you prefer there are hundreds of types available
18:41 < dansa> Too many---so hard to choose one.
18:41 < Bradipo> Depends on which dimension is being discussed, I suppose.  The Sun mouse was "wide" in one direction, "thin" in another.
18:41 < dansa> I don't seem to love any one of them.
18:41 < oldlaptop> tommyrot: A cheap USB optical mouse will have a dedicated ASIC inside with the camera and optical processing and USB controller electronics all on one package, and not very much else other than some microswitches.
18:41 < dansa> Bradipo: you're right.
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18:42 < tommyrot> the world moved on oldlaptop :)
18:42 < Bradipo> But yeah, I've noticed a trend to be more bulbous (like the one you linked to).
18:42 < oldlaptop> tommyrot: keyword "cheap"
18:42 < oldlaptop> Fancy/expensive "gaming" mice will be a bit more complex
18:43 < tommyrot> we're in the age of mice attaching as 5 devices
18:43 < oldlaptop> a cheap one won't even need a double-sided PCB because all of the fun stuff is on that ASIC
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18:44 < oldlaptop> presumably the only reason they even bother with a real package (as opposed to a blob-chip) is to integrate the camera
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18:47 < dansa> When a mouse is too cheap---like below $10---is that trouble?  I'm no gamer at all.
18:47 < oldlaptop> Nah. A $5 mouse today is superior in most relevant aspects to a $50 mouse from 30 years ago.
18:48 < dansa> Thanks!
18:48 < oldlaptop> It'll probably even last longer.
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18:48 < pardis> on the other hand, you might find your mouse has fewer than 17 buttons you'll never touch and is missing superfluous coloured lights if you go too cheap
18:48 < oldlaptop> It probably also won't have a chunk of concrete in it to make it feel more expensive.
18:49 < uwharrie> I've been using these pretty much everywhere https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W5CXW6M
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18:49 < oldlaptop> Not many options if you don't want a scroll wheel, I guess.
18:49 < oldlaptop> (I assume there's no reason you'd buy that unless you really don't want a scroll wheel.)
18:49 < pardis> I'm partial to the original Contour Mouse (which is no longer made, sadly)
18:50 < pardis> 3 real buttons (not a silly miniature middle button) *and* a scroll wheel
18:50 < oldlaptop> That vendor is also the only option for a left-handed trackball, so far as I know.
18:50 < oldlaptop> (there are symmetric ones)
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18:51 < oldlaptop> pardis: I don't think there's any particular need for a scroll wheel, especially not on something like a trackball or trackpoint that doesn't punish long movements. Not with "wheel emulation". (forget what it's called in xinput, but probably wheel emulation)
18:53 < pardis> perhaps not, but it's what my brain has been used to for 20 years or so
18:54 < oldlaptop> If you happen to *get* something with an otherwise-useless extra button, would highly recommend binding that up to wheel emulation. e.g. the ring-finger button on that left-handed trackball: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08GR2K8WH
18:54 < oldlaptop> Just to see how you like it. :)
18:55 < oldlaptop> It's IME not a very steep learning curve before that's clearly preferable to a wheel
18:55 < oldlaptop> even for an ordinary mouse
18:56  * oldlaptop notes that some logitech products these days have extra-heavy wheels with a button to disengage the detents, so it can "coast" more or less like a trackball just naturally can
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18:58 < oldlaptop> dansa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwfZBRTqXFY
18:59 < dansa> uwharrie: you don't like a wheelbutton?
19:00 < uwharrie> not really. prefer a reliable middle button more
19:00 < dansa> yeah, I wonder if I should do away with wheelbuttons too
19:01 < dansa> I don't like to click them---I usually make a mess.
19:01 < anelli> dansa: how will you scroll
19:01 < Bradipo> oldlaptop: I have such a mouse.  It has it's pros and cons.
19:01 < Bradipo> It's nice if you have a page that is really long and cannot be bothered to click on the scrollbar.
19:02 < Bradipo> Or if the page doesn't offer a scrollbar.
19:02 < dansa> anelli: I don't know (some kind of emulation?)
19:03 < dansa> Bradipo: that's indeed very useful.
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19:03 < dansa> Guys, thanks so much!  I gotta go.  Back hours later.
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20:08 < unpx> Since when OpenBSD support QEMU with SMP?
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20:11 < unpx> I wonder if M$ W10 could run
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21:03 < mischief> unpx: it could run, very slowly. :-)
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21:24 < ssm_> unpx: win 10/11 runs horribly even with full virtio support, anything short of iommu (pain) is a poor experience
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21:29 < topcat001> unless you're doing games you could rdp instead of directly opening the console
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21:43 < mischief> well, i think i found out why gitea died
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21:44 < mischief> "Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko; compatible; ClaudeBot/1.0; +claudebot@anthropic.com)"
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21:45 < ssm_> mischief: have you tried gotweb?
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21:47 < mischief> nope
21:47 < ssm_> gotweb is more a repository browser like gitweb and cvsweb, no issue tracker or anything
21:47 < ssm_> but that's what email is for!
21:51 < mischief> hopefully this will make claudebot fuck off https://git.offblast.org/robots.txt
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21:52 < mischief> here's a question - is got any faster or less resource intensive than git
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21:56 < mischief> cloning the git conversion of the openbsd src repo takes about 700M memory on the client and 1G on the server side
21:56 < mischief> for linux kernel source it is even worse
21:58 < ssm_> could be a large chunk/block size for more efficient transfer?
21:58 < oldlaptop> got strictly speaking is just the client
21:58 < oldlaptop> gotweb is to gitweb as cgit is to gitweb, more or less (as I understand the state of things)
21:59 < oldlaptop> (cgit, relevantly, was meant to address the pressure of hosting big git things like linux)
21:59 < tvtoon> you can clone the trees instead
21:59 < oldlaptop> at kernel.org scale no less
22:00 < tvtoon> if you want everything so far, chances are you won't have it on git anyway
22:00 < oldlaptop> (I'd wager a guess you have slightly less traffic than kernel.org)
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22:02 < mischief> the frontend isn't really the issue (gitea, cgit), they just exec git for the real operations
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22:07 < setient> thats not terrible
22:07 < setient> 1 g on the server side and 700 m on the client. pretty reasonable.
22:08 < setient> mischief: is what faster or less intensive than git? 
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22:44 < mischief> setient: got
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22:56 < setient> oh
22:56 < setient> got git. thats great
22:59 < mischief> i suppose 1G server side is 'not that bad' but as i said, the linux kernel is worse, and i have to size the VM's memory according to the worst case to make it useable
23:00 < mischief> i should just make a new box for my closet server, but i don't really want to spend the $$ :|
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23:17 < sibiria> in my experience linux, at least debian and alpine, run fine on very little RAM
23:17 < sibiria> typical vanilla debian 11/12 headless eats just under 100 mb when booted
23:17 < sibiria> it's acceptable
23:20 < mischief> yes but booting is not the same thing as running a functioning git server :-)
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