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11:22 < quinq> Hi
11:22 < quinq> Getting DHCPv6 from ISP problems again
11:23 < quinq> Using dhcp6leased, I get IPs for the prefixes I configured in the configuration files
11:23 < quinq> But no default route
11:23 < quinq> It was working “until now”
11:23 < quinq> Not sure if that's a change/misconfiguration on my side
11:23 < quinq> Or if it's ISP fucking it up (most likely)
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11:32 < quinq> Any idea welcome :D
11:34 < quinq> (on 7.6)
11:36 < quinq> dhcp6leased.conf: https://clbin.com/wMlfP
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11:39 < xse> don't know enough about that, might actually require a "!route add ::/0 -inet6 fe80::....%vlanwhatever" in hostname.if but since it used to work i'd assume it's the isp's fault too
11:46 < quinq> Yeah, had a power cut this morning and suddenly, new behavior
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11:47 < quinq> but it's been working for the past months, switched from dhcpcd to dhcp6leased
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11:56 < anelli> file corruption?
11:56 < anelli> i'm not sure how to check on that though
11:56 < IcePic> or they had a firmware upgrade for their routers set up but not applied which took effect after the outsage
11:56 < quinq> (is that directed to me?)
11:56 < IcePic> outage*
11:57 < anelli> quinq: yeah. sorry forgot to mention
11:57 < quinq> IcePic, the outage was on my side
11:57 < quinq> I doubt they had one on the router side
11:57 < quinq> anelli, what file?
11:57 < IcePic> quinq: ok, didn't know how big it was
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11:58 < quinq> Well, I don't know either tbh, but…
11:58 < quinq> ok, let-me reconnect and dump the packets
11:59 < anelli> quinq: like. i remember sometimes that on my old failing hdd the system failed after a power cut and was irrecoverable
11:59 < anelli> always keep backups
12:00 < anelli> just to be on the same page, i'm assuming your machine didn't properly shutdown when the power cut happened
12:03 < quinq> Well, it's booting ok and can't see anything suspectful in the kernel log
12:03 < anelli> quinq: oh alright. nothing in lost+found?
12:05 < quinq> Nope, doesn't even exist
12:08 < anelli> not sure tbh. i might recommend a fresh install to isolate it but that'd be a time waste if there're other checks to make. hopefully someone more knowledgable chimes in
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12:46 < quinq> ok, we reached another milestone in sensible networking
12:46 < quinq> They deliver addresses via DHCPv6
12:47 < quinq> BUT
12:47 < quinq> They distribute routes via RA
12:47 < quinq> olé
12:48 < quinq> Gladly OpenBSD knows about these kind of guys, and allow dhcpleased to run on autoconf interfaces
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12:48 < quinq> s/dhcp/&6/
12:50 < sibiria> dhcpv6 server on openbsd turned out to be somewhat of an annoyance
12:52 < quinq> In what regard?
12:53 < quinq> Ah, by “on openbsd” do you mean “with openbsd”?
12:55 < sibiria> by openbsd, for openbsd clients. dhcpd doesn't do it. dhcpcd doesn't do it. isc-dhcp-server does it but the setup is weird, and i ran into oddities 
12:56 < sibiria> might have to take another stab at it
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13:07 < anelli> hi everyone. any cwm gimp users? i think i asked this before so i'm sorry. i was told to try fvwm and the color picker works fine there, but on cwm it always disappears whenever you pick a color. i'll post to mailing lists if it's not a good question to ask here as it might get burried. thx
13:13 < quinq> Ah ok, so as a server, I didn't knew that the isc somehow supported it
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13:53 < ecbrown> hello, i am thinking of cannibalising my old pc running openbsd.  i'd like to round up the specs of the hardware, including memory. is there an openbsd command to query the ram type, for e.g. ddr4 ddr5?
13:54 < ecbrown> (the machine was put together in the late 201x's)
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13:59 < ecbrown> of course an alternative is to pull a stick and look up the serial no.
14:13 < drotte> ecbrown: from ports, you could install dmidecode and use that but I would just enter the BIOS menu at boot and look there
14:14 < drotte> https://www.nongnu.org/dmidecode/
14:14 < ecbrown> drotte: thank you.  seems each solution requires a reboot, so i will try them both.
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14:22 < ecbrown> thank you very much!  i have ddr4 :-(
14:22 < ecbrown> learned A LOT about my computer today
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14:28 < drotte> iirc some hardware might report it in dmesg as well. though on the machine i'm using here, it does not
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16:46 < amnesiac> Hi
16:46 < anelli> greetings
16:46 < amnesiac> what means vcpus in "vmctl show" output ?
16:46 < amnesiac> and is there possibility to increase it ?
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16:50 < o0x1eef> virtual cpu ?
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17:07 < adig> amnesiac I think vmm supports only one! :)
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17:12 < amnesiac> adig, yes
17:12 < amnesiac> seems
17:12 < amnesiac> I hope this changed in this or next release
17:12 < amnesiac> I hope this change in this or next release
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17:14 < anelli> amnesiac: it'll take plenty of time from what i saw in the last talk
17:14 < anelli> lemme get it
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17:17 < anelli> amnesiac: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKrxVzS96BM (from https://www.openbsd.org/events.html). at the end mentions that we don't know when multicore would be there yet
17:17 < anelli> iirc
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17:19 < amnesiac> https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2024-vmd_multiprocessing.pdf
17:19 < amnesiac> +2 years
17:19 < amnesiac> i see
17:20 < anelli> huh? nah the talk is about something different
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17:28 < anelli> i thought it was about smp at first too and was so excited xD
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17:29 < anelli> amnesiac: if you really need multicore i suggest running obsd &others under freebsd's bhyve or a qubeos qube. but i can't guarentee the security of neither from what i read
17:30 < setient> you mean smp in a vm right?
17:30 < amnesiac> anelli, I looking into dragonfly's bsd side
17:30 < anelli> setient: yeah
17:30  * amnesiac sighed and added a few nodes to the kubernetes cluster
17:31 < setient> i was going to say why not just more vm's? its super low overhead. sure there is kernel memory but if you are doing something like a unikernel anyways, it shouldn't matter.
17:31 < setient> ala firecracker type thing
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17:35 < user24031> I need to do dhcpv6 solicitation with priority 6. I see 'pri 3' in tcpdump for this traffic tho.    Hrm... i just wanna match out on egress to ff02::1:2 set prio 6 ## i wonder what i am missing
17:36 < amnesiac> setient, network / space / ram overhea a bit. and you are right this solves.
17:39 < quinq> user24031, and that rule doesn't get applied in your pf?
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17:41 < user24031> Hey i would think it's applied but maybe not how i hope? It's not effective anyway
17:43 < user24031> So yes. I guess i must step up my pf debugging
17:46 < amnesiac> user24031, what are you trying to do with this ?
17:46 < user24031> It'snot
17:47 < user24031> Oops. Am trying to have my dhcpcd succeed 
17:47 < amnesiac> user24031, look in pf tables and relayd - if you are looking for some load balancing https://man.openbsd.org/relayd.conf.5
17:50 < quinq> user24031, are you sure you need dhcpcd?
17:50 < quinq> Also priority will not make dhcp work or not
17:50 < quinq> It'll just give priority on heavy traffic, which I doubt you have if you don't even have an IP
17:51 < user24031> It's only that my isp requires this priority for this action
17:51 < quinq> wat
17:51 < amnesiac> quinq, rlooks like star wars force were just used. user24031 you dont need dhcpd6 :)
17:51 < quinq> ah, you're talking about VLAN?
17:51 < quinq> That's not what pf prio does
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17:52 < quinq> You need to configure this in your hostname.vlanX
17:52 < quinq> txprio
17:53 < quinq> And again, most likely you don't need dhcpcd
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17:54 < quinq> And the VLAN prio would be for pppoe session, not dhcp
17:54 < quinq> But maybe I'm assuming too much, as you didn't describe anything about your setup
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17:57 < user24031> That's okay thanks for the suggestions.   If you're curious here is some background https://lafibre.info/remplacer-livebox/durcissement-du-controle-de-loption-9011-et-de-la-conformite-protocolaire/?PHPSESSID=8ctg6e2161faf26ssog8l1v68d and what im going for
17:57 < user24031> https://lafibre-info.translate.goog/remplacer-livebox/remplacer-sa-livebox-par-openbsd-128033-7-2-dual-stack/msg1010084/?PHPSESSID=27rg7ll4lev6gg0oi1ons0aji1&_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp#msg1010084
17:59 < xse> user24031: check out https://try.popho.be/securing-home2.html
17:59 < xse> specifically https://try.popho.be/securing-home2.html#as-well-as-specifics-for-priority
18:07 < quinq> user24031, then it seems that you want to set the TOS
18:07 < quinq> Not the prio
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18:10 < quinq> Ah, well looks like I stand corrected
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18:43 < o0x1eef> On FreeBSD there's bhyve. I manage a few OpenBSD VMs with it and it supports multiple CPUs fwiw. 
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18:47 < amnesiac> o0x1eef, yes. I know. qemu too could do this even on openbsd and using -numa key to emulate sockets for ram and cpu
18:49 < o0x1eef> Cool
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18:50 < amnesiac> o0x1eef, yes.
18:51 < Jaskie> Hi guys. I get this ancient notebook and I am trying to install OpenBSD. I did dd the img to a USB drive. But boot it failed with something like  malloc too large type 33. is it normal?
18:51 < Jaskie> the notebook is intel dual core based
18:51 < amnesiac> I'm looking to find out free time to test nvmm at dflybsd.
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18:53 < Jaskie> I made the boot media with `dd if=/home/adam/Downloads/install76.img of=/dev/sdc bs=1M` followed by sync under a Debian environment
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19:12 < amnesiac> Jaskie, try to boot from it using qemu and working os. if it boots, no questions to dd process.
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19:22 < Jaskie> amnesiac, having trouble coming up the qemu command to do that, I can boot my VMs but I donno how to boot a USB drive with OpenBSD. Googling
19:23 < sibiria> is it "Core 2" or something older?
19:24 < sibiria> if older, you may need to run the i386 version of openbsd rather than amd64
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19:25 < Jaskie> sibiria, it reads Pentium Dual-Core inside on the brand sticker 
19:26 < sibiria> that could mean both
19:26 < quinq> What's the notebook model, might be easier to get info
19:28 < tvtoon> Jaskie: since it is the dd, try to force the count parameter
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19:28 < tvtoon> it is a good idea to never miss that, since you are working with the USB
19:29 < sibiria> not in this case. he's writing from a limited source
19:29 < sibiria> it will end when the source ends
19:30 < tvtoon> not really, the drive may not let the operation go
19:32 < sibiria> it will write the entire source, or "count" blocks, no matter the delay in reads and writes
19:35 < Jaskie> I think the processor is T2300 or something alike judging from the model
19:35 < sibiria> T2xxx sounds like the old dual-core 32-bit CPUs
19:35 < Jaskie> is it 64bit compatible? I think so because I booted 64bit FreeBSD install media just now
19:35 < quinq> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/27233/intel-core-duo-processor-t2300-2m-cache-1-66-ghz-667-mhz-fsb/specifications.html
19:36 < Jaskie> The model is Presario C700 HP Compaq
19:37 < quinq> That's 32-bit arch
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19:45 < Jaskie> OK I will try a 32bit OpenBSD image
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19:50 < Jaskie> Oh yeah it is booting now!Thanks guys!
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20:00 < Jaskie> what is the right key to list WiFi at installer? not any of # or list or list$#?
20:01 < Jaskie> I am trying to connect to WiFi but it won't. I want to check it my access point is listed
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20:03 < amnesiac> Jaskie, no wifi until firmware is loaded, as I remember.
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20:03 < amnesiac> use install image with sets
20:04 < Jaskie> the installer is detecting my card I think. it listed my wireless device as ath0
20:05 < sibiria> it may still need firmware to function
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20:06 < Jaskie> good to know. I thought it'll work since it saw my device already
20:09 < Jaskie> I am using  install76.iso, so file sets are already there right?
20:10 < Jaskie> had to restart. just abort installer
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20:14 < sibiria> install76 iso/img has the full system, yes
20:15 < anelli> hi ppl . anyone got a command for fetching the Attic file from cvs? i tried `cvs -d cvs@lavender:/home/cvs checkout -P www/images/Attic` to get attic files from my reposync'd copy of the cvs thing but it didn't work. i only get the current stuf without the "Attic" directory
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20:16 < sibiria> that is, the full system except firmware blobs
20:17 < Jaskie> I am booting iso file using ventoy, but file sets are not in cd0
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20:18 < sibiria> usually you will need to point the installer in that direction. because of...reasons
20:19 < Jaskie> how do I get a shell in installer to check where the file sets are?
20:20 < sibiria> one of the prompts ask if the medium is already mounted. say "no" and proceed
20:21 < Jaskie> yes but I cannot check content of each disk. is there a way to use shell?
20:22 < sibiria> iirc it shows you a list with some details, giving you a hint of what's what
20:22 < Jaskie> I see sd0 sd1 sd2 cd0, I tried them but none reported file sets found. I have to check where the files are
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20:23 < sibiria> doesn't it provide you an option to show details, so that you can gauge the correct device from the storage seize?
20:23 < sibiria> size*
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20:26 < Jaskie> I know which disk are which but I donno the file sets path. the default path 7.6/i386 is not working
20:27 < oldlaptop> Jaskie: FWIW, "Core Duo" means i386 (well, i686), basically two Pentium Ms on the same chip. "Core 2 Duo" means amd64. I assume Intel knew why this naming convention was foolish and confusing and chose to do it anyway.
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20:27 < sibiria> Jaskie: try the path OpenBSD/7.3/<arch>
20:27 < sibiria> 7.6*
20:28 < sibiria> OpenBSD/7.6/i386, thusly
20:29 < oldlaptop> If the default path isn't working, you're probably not getting the path right. I'm not sure what "Ventoy" is actually doing; it's possible that it confuses the issue of where the installer will see your sets (if at all).
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20:29 < oldlaptop> Not using "Ventoy" might be an idea.
20:30 < sibiria> i'd avoid ventoy as well
20:30 < sibiria> just write the install.img to your USB flash drive
20:30 < sibiria> usually performs best
20:30 < Jaskie> yes I think the installer  is not finding file sets because I am booting iso from Ventoy. I will dd a img instead and try
20:31 < sibiria> the iso is a bit quirky
20:31 < oldlaptop> You could probably also make things work by plunking the file sets into a directory on your Ventoy drive. (Or some other USB drive.)
20:32 < oldlaptop> (in which case there would be no particular need to use installXX.iso instead of cdXX.iso, though it would also do no harm)
20:34 < Jaskie> No I am actually using Ventoy because it is super easy. you just put iso files in USB disk and boot the iso files. not dir at all
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20:35 < Jaskie> anyway, I am downding install76.img now
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20:41 < oldlaptop> Rephrasing: I don't know offhand how Ventoy accomplishes this "just drop an ISO file in and it magically pretends to work" trick, or whether (or how) it's still possible for the installer to access sets stored in that ISO image.
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20:42 < oldlaptop> The installer will, however, be able to access sets stored in a plain old directory (or in the root directory, I guess, if for some reason you think a subdirectory makes it harder?) on a fat32 filesystem.
20:42 < Jaskie> I recall I saw some blog posts about that, should work for openBSD installer but  not out of box level, just have to mount manually and point the path of file sets to installer accordingly 
20:43 < tvtoon> you can mount on the installer, just make sure you know the partition table
20:43 < Jaskie> oldlaptop, my problem was just I cannot check contents in installer so I cannot know the exact path. but i am sure they are there somewhere
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20:46 < oldlaptop> Normally, when there isn't weird magic nonsense going on, the sets will be at the default path.
20:46 < Jaskie> boot directly from a iso file might be considered wired in OpenBSD context lol 
20:53 < oldlaptop> If you're going to do goofy stuff like this, it's probably better to treat it like a PXE-boot scenario.
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20:54 < oldlaptop> (meaning either have a network connection available or, in the alternative, have sets on a normal filesystem not encumbered by weird magic nonsense)
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20:57 < Jaskie> do I still need bsd.mp for a core duo 32bit processor? 
20:58 < oldlaptop> You need bsd.mp for more than one CPU (CPU core) to work.
20:58 < Jaskie> (yes install.img  + dd is working flawlessly)
20:58 < oldlaptop> (This means you almost certainly want bsd.mp.)
20:58 < anelli> to spare any headaches i recommend taking all the files in. you never know what you might need (especially with sets
20:59 < Jaskie> yes I mean with my core duo T2300 there is no such thing right?
20:59 < oldlaptop> No such thing as what?
20:59 < anelli> it'll automatically detect and install the correct kernel
20:59 < Jaskie> well I am definitely excluding games* lol
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20:59 < oldlaptop> (anelli is correct, anyway - do not bother deselecting sets if you need to ask questions like this)
20:59 < anelli> but fortune(6)!!
20:59 < sibiria> don't. a socially functional openbsd system needs games.tgz, for important system utilities such as fortune(6), hack(6) etc.
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21:00 < Jaskie> I mean is 'multi-processor' even a thing for core duo? 
21:00 < oldlaptop> gamesXX.tgz is something on the order of 5MiB, which is worth less than the time you take to deselect it or the time we've already spent arguing about it
21:00 < sibiria> "duo" and "quad" is intel's brand names for... you get one guess
21:00 < Jaskie> sibiria, good to know
21:00 < oldlaptop> Yes. A "dual-core processor" has multiple processors on the same chip, for this purpose.
21:01 < oldlaptop> (There are some minor technical differences compared to a "true" multiprocessor machine that are not relevant here.)
21:01 < Jaskie> thanks guys. I decided to go with default (all) and it is installing now
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21:02 < oldlaptop> At one time long ago, there were arguable security reasons to leave the games set out, because it included setuid binaries (and very old and crusty ones at that)
21:03 < oldlaptop> now it includes only old and crusty unprivileged binaries
21:03 < oldlaptop> A few of which could theoretically be invoked from a particularly silly shell script, although as /usr/games isn't in the default PATH anymore they'll break anyway without some intervention
21:04 < oldlaptop> (once upon a time there were actually multi-user unix systems, and the games needed setuid/setgid/something to maintain system-wide high score tables)
21:05 < oldlaptop> or in the case of somethingl like (net)hack they used it to stop the lusers from cheating
21:06 < Jaskie> I never bother to try games anyway
21:07 < oldlaptop> they're arguably the most historically interesting bits of openbsd
21:07 < oldlaptop> one of the newer ones (tetris(6)) is (derived from) an early IOCCC winner
21:08 < oldlaptop> caesar(6) has a certain educational value (fundamentals of cryptography and cryptanalysis - at one time IIRC the likes of debian had to treat their "bsdgames" packages as "munitions" for US export law purposes, because it's "cryptographic software")
21:09 < oldlaptop> probably that was what you call an "abundance of caution"
21:09 < sibiria> "belt AND suspenders"
21:10  * km loves openbsd packages
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21:17 < Jaskie> my wireless card is Atheros and recognized as ath0, do I need to download firmware? I only find athn-firmware in mirror firmware fold
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21:23 < sibiria> Jaskie: it might be one of the models with firmware in its ROM
21:23 < sibiria> simple way to find out is to just start scanning on the interface to see if that works
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21:26 < Jaskie> I did the ifconfig nwid command but still no connection,  status: no network
21:26 < sibiria> "ifconfig scan"
21:27 < sibiria> ifconfig ath0 scan, as it were
21:27 < sibiria> you may need to "up" the interface first, not entirely sure. been a long while since i used wireless with openbsd
21:27 < oldlaptop> this strategy works best if you do actually know there's something there to hear
21:27 < Jaskie> ifconfig scan, no interface. ifconfig ath0 scan give the above. but I do see ieee80211 line lists my WiFi ssid
21:27 < oldlaptop> dmesg should say if there's firmware it needs and doesn't have
21:28 < Jaskie> ifconfig line there is  UP
21:28 < oldlaptop> You sound like you're describing everything working as it should. (that is, the network showing up on a scan)
21:28 < oldlaptop> but without seeing the real output I could be reading your message wrongly.
21:29 < Jaskie> dmesg say ath0: unable to reset hardware, hal status 0
21:29 < sibiria> that could be just the ath(4) driver being crap, as almost everything wifi is on openbsd
21:29 < oldlaptop> openbsd drivers generally have manual pages, which generally at least briefly explain such messages: https://man.openbsd.org/ath
21:30 < oldlaptop> and would also say so if it needed any firmware files
21:31 < oldlaptop> (this is of course approximately as old as dirt, but we could have guessed that from "Core Duo" :))
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21:33 < Jaskie> man ath(4) did not mention any firmware needed as I checked
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22:21 < Jaskie> I think is the driver is not working is all. I tried a USB dodge I have, locally fw_update load firmware mtw.tgz but then nwid resulted in a kernel panic
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22:49 < anddam> jeeeez, now I remember why my opensmtpd is so royally effed up
22:54 < anddam> I was here a couple days ago rabmling about my opensmtpd issue, then trimmed down my config to a MWE to reproduce the issue, emptied my spool queu to leave a single message and have been bashing the head against this kind of incomprehesible rejection from google's smtp https://termbin.com/s0t4
22:55 < anddam> and it is not the receiving side, only after reading the same blocks many many times I just realized the connection never even started
22:56 < anddam> the VPS provider blocks port 25 by default to prevent abuse and you have to open a ticket and ask "pretty please" to have it unlocked
22:56 < anddam> I have been tweaking every bit of config, I realized my pki certs were expired, my DKIM private key was nowhere to be found and tried to fix anything that was not broen
22:56 < anddam> broken
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