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17:32 < user21> my intent is to help with documentation, fix/update/create, any pointers where to start digging and how to contribute ?
17:33 < user21> it will help me learn
17:36 < drotte> I see two files in /etc/ which I am not familiar with. papersize & paperspecs. on linux these define paper size stuff for printing. I see these were created on the date I installed openbsd on the machine. Out of curiousity, are these files generated by openbsd, or some package I installed from ports? (I don't recall seeing them in /etc/ on installs previous to 7.6)
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17:37 < o0x1eef> user21: http://github.com/OpenBSD/src/src/branch/master/share/man
17:37 < o0x1eef> You could maybe run a spell checker across those files, or even some form of AI I guess. As long as it is objective improvement.
17:38 < o0x1eef> Correct link: https://github.com/openbsd/src/tree/master/share/man
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17:39 < user21> ok, let me look
17:40 < BasketCase> drotte: pkg_info -E /etc/papersize
17:42 < drotte> ah thanks, I did pkg_info -Q papersize 
17:43 < drotte> looks like GIMP uses it
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17:44 < BasketCase> -Q is usually slower since it is searching through available packages rather than installed ones
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17:44 < drotte> also doesn't seem to return anything, in this case
17:45 < drotte> bet if I read the man page I'll find out why
17:45 < ecbrown> user21: imo it is difficult for a novice to make suggestions to expert-written materials. it is a high barrier to entry.  the low-lying fruit has been plucked.  you could dive in to a man page and make sure it comports with the code, works according to the man page, and then meets your expectations.  then, you might have basis for an impactful contribution
17:46 < o0x1eef> ^++
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17:47 < Bradipo> That being said, I find errors all the time in the man pages. :-)
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17:48 < Bradipo> Most of them grammar or spelling errors, but sometimes what makes sense to one person is drivel to another.
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17:55 < thrig> or more examples for man pages, if there's something sensible or interesting
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18:12 < user21> that is good feedback ! thank you
18:13 < user21> I used for freebsd and linux for years, just never openbsd, I just need to start somewhere as I learn it, from boot process to the rest 
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18:19 < user21> I will start with spell check then will ask for guidance 
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18:22 < lts> user21: you can try books as well https://www.openbsd.org/books.html . "Absolute OpenBSD" is still very valid
18:24 < ecbrown> porting packages helps one learn about different areas than what comes on the install.img
18:25 < ecbrown> the recipe is useful to all users
18:26 < user21> books yes, but I learn usually better being hands-on and wiring stuff down, and as I'm this wave again of needing a research side project, want to see what I can do here
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18:54 < TheyCallMePaul> Maybe you could document undocumented features? I know of one in smtpd.conf for limit session-transaction-delay and there probably are others at https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/ba47179b2b16a4917120fc2d793eea4684488573/usr.sbin/smtpd/limit.c
18:54 < IcePic> user21: "The Design and Implementation of the 4.4BSD Operating System" is a really good start to get how it works
18:55 < pardis> and it's a very satisfying book to read in any case
18:56 < IcePic> yes, that and "TCP/IP Iluustrated Vol 2" to understand more of bsd networking code
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19:10 < Posterdati> hi\
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19:10 < user21> noted, so speck check and the "session-transaction-delay" thing, this is good start for me
19:10 < Posterdati> please how can I kill a process which cannot die with kill -9 ??? Thanks
19:10 < user21> * spell
19:11 < RobbieAB> Posterdati: Reboot?
19:11 < Bradipo> Posterdati: Reboot and hope it doesn't hang.
19:12 < RobbieAB> I have, once or twice, on Linux so it may not be applicable, managed to clean up zombies by identifying the parent process and killing that also.
19:14 < Posterdati> wow reboot, and what should I say to users?
19:14 < RobbieAB> What harm is the zombie doing?
19:15 < RobbieAB> Sometimes it can be reasonable to just leave the zombie alone until a suitable maintenance window.
19:15 < Posterdati> it killed X however
19:17 < user21> find the parent process, see what open files it has, most probably it did not close the stdou/stderr or some other file for the child and the child can't quit because of that 
19:18 < user21> try force close that file handle
19:18 < Posterdati> rebooted
19:18 < Posterdati> that's great
19:20 < Bradipo> Was the process dbus related?
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19:24 < phy1729> Usually it's NFS related
19:26 < Bradipo> Shouldn't recovering the NFS share allow the process to be cleaned up?
19:27 < uwharrie> only if both ends agree on the state of the file and the I/O operations being performed on it
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19:31 < ninjin> I have an Intel NUC 14 and I am trying to see if I can get OpenBSD to suspend on it. Sadly, I am not even getting the installer to work, rather, it hangs at a line starting with: wsdisplay0. Any ideas?
19:32 < Bradipo> Is it HDMI output?
19:32 < ninjin> Yes.
19:32 < ninjin> NUC14RVH is the model number apparently.
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19:40 < ninjin> There is apparently Thunderbolt output as well. But I lack the cables to try it at the moment.
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19:43 < Posterdati> Bradipo: Chrome
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19:44 < pardis> seems odd to be running Chrome on a multi-user system
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19:45 < Posterdati> I was connected to the workstation via X
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20:01 < ninjin> Tried CURRENT and changing what I could in BIOS, but sadly to no avail. I suspect there is work needed on the latest Intel display drivers, which is far beyond my competence.
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20:16 < Bradipo> ninjin: You could post to misc@
20:16 < ninjin> Bradipo: Will do as soon as I have the time to write it all up.
20:17 < ninjin> May also be able to get a way to try Thunderbolt instead. Just shot an e-mail to the "hardware guy" at work.
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