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02:19 < WGoodspeed> Hi, I submitted my patch for UTF-8 full-width character support in ksh (https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=173442327302977&w=2) 20 days ago. I'm new to this and unsure about the review process. Any advice or feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!
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02:24 < pardis> it can be a bit of a lottery whether you get a reply
02:25 < pardis> it requires someone with commit access to be a) interested in your problem and b) available to look at the patch
02:25 < pardis> since this is a user support channel, you're unlikely to get the attention of any such person here
02:27 < WGoodspeed> Yeah... I tried to send a follow-up a few days ago with no luck...
02:27 < pardis> there are (fairly small) patches I sent to the list years ago which never had a reply
02:28 < WGoodspeed> Hum, so what to do about this? I don't think it's worthy to fork it neither
02:29 < tommyrot> send a reminder 6 months from now or forget about it
02:29 < tommyrot> welcome to openbsd
02:29 < pardis> if I knew a foolproof method, I'd have had my patches reviewed :)
02:30 < WGoodspeed> Yeah, right
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02:31 < WGoodspeed> Is it appropriate to approach committer by their emails? Don't know much about OpenBSD's developer community.
02:32 < WGoodspeed> It looks like there isn't a specific maintainer for ksh
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02:38 < tommyrot> the process is via the mailing list
02:40 < tommyrot> i fear for your well intended patch, this isn't a fun subject to just accept a patch for without wrapping your head around it
02:40 < tommyrot> but who knows
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02:41 < uwharrie> I can also see it being a non-critical feature in a fundamental piece of the OS
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02:43 < uwharrie> the etiquette I've seen is a ping every couple weeks along with attempts to split up changes to make the patch set at small and easily reviewable as possible
02:47 < WGoodspeed> uwharrie: Yeah, It's not really critical to OS but I think It's really nice to have i18n support for a shell around the world.
02:48 < WGoodspeed> I still don't know how to approach this but thanks for everyone anyways.
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03:40 < Bradipo> Anyone else seeing strange "GET /dns-query?dns=k9cBAAABAAAAAAAAB2V4YW1wbGUDY29tAAABAAE" in their httpd logs?
03:41 < mischief> DoH?
03:41 < Bradipo> Against my httpd?
03:41 < Bradipo> I suppose it's possible that someone is trying to use my web server as a DoH...
03:41 < Bradipo> But that would be really strange.
03:42 < Bradipo> Came from measurements.ki3.org.cn
03:42 < Bradipo> Maybe it's some Chinese agency trying to track down open DoH servers and squash them?
03:43 < pardis> that seems like a fair guess
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03:48 < Bradipo> I have two hits from 2 unique IPs, but both IPs are allocated to Alibaba Inc.
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04:11 < Bradipo> Search engines must really be getting stupid these days.
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04:11 < Bradipo> I did a search for GET /dns-query and also GET /dns-query?dns= and nothing turned up.
04:12 < Bradipo> Nothing useful.
04:12 < Bradipo> And yet clearly this document details it quite clearly: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https#section-4.1.1
04:12 < Bradipo> So why are search engines so broken lately?
04:13 < Bradipo> And it looks like it has eventually become RFC 8484.
04:13 < thrig> ai slop, too big, 
04:13 < Bradipo> Yes, I do think that AI has made search results worse.
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04:22 < pardis> I got very relevant results with Kagi
04:23 < Bradipo> I've tried DuckDuckGo, Mojeek, Brave, Google, SwissCows, Bing, and none of them find relevant information.  They should all easily identify RFC 8484!
04:23 < pardis> I didn't get RFC 8484, but I did get https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/encryption/dns-over-https/make-api-requests/dns-wireformat/
04:24 < pardis> for "GET /dns-query" (including quotes)
04:24 < Bradipo> Yeah, well, maybe I should try quotes...
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04:25 < Bradipo> Top answers in Brave are terrible even using quotes.
04:25 < Bradipo> Seems to think I want tools to resolve DNS names.
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04:25 < Bradipo> Same with SwissCows.
04:26 < thrig> most users probably do want those tools
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04:28 < Bradipo> Well, pardis is correct.  Kagi does have the most relevant results.
04:28 < Bradipo> They aren't ideal, but they do give me enough hints that I can figure more out.
04:28 < Bradipo> The third result is "Decoding DNS over HTTP(s) Requests".
04:28 < Bradipo> That's much more relevant than "how do use nslookup.io to do X".
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04:29 < mischief> sadly, the people who make search engines don't optimize them for technical matters
04:29 < Bradipo> Heck, give me a checkbox for "literal" or "exact matches".
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04:36 < Bradipo> When searching Kagi using just these terms: GET /dns-query?dns=
04:36 < Bradipo> I get RFC 8484 in the first page of results about 55% down the page.
04:38 < Bradipo> And numerous other mentions of DNS-over-HTTPS.
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04:41 < mischief> Bradipo: use double quotes
04:41 < mischief> this is why over 90% of my search queries in google are double quoted.. the default of 'mangle my query into something unrecognizable' sucks
04:42 < Bradipo> I tried with double quotes... still pitiful results in most engines.
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10:37 < stefanobsdcafe> Hi! I've proposed the talk 'Why Choose to Use the BSDs in 2025' for the upcoming OSDay 2025 in Florence, Italy, this March.
10:37 < stefanobsdcafe> My talk has been pre-selected, but the top 8 talks will be chosen based on votes (👍 on GitHub).
10:37 < stefanobsdcafe> So, if you want me to go to Florence and present our beloved BSDs, go vote at https://github.com/Schroedinger-Hat/osday/issues/564
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