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02:38 < mystic> hi guys.. long question (about security) --> https://pastebin.com/2Q3692if
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02:44 < oldlaptop> mystic: The major browsers have their own certificate trust chains. (If I recall correctly OpenBSD synchronizes its own, in /etc/ssl/cert.pem, with firefox from time to time.)
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02:48 < mystic> Yes, I understand. But red text says untrusted. Also chatgpt says that those two CAs have been compromised in the past. And therefore those certificates are not trusted.
02:49 < mystic> https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/alerts/2015/02/20/lenovo-superfish-adware-vulnerable-https-spoofing
02:50 < dax> they need to be in the certificate store for your browser to apply rules blocking them
02:50 < mystic> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiNotar
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02:51 < dax> if you go to a website whose TLS cert is signed from those CAs, the revocation/block policy detailed all over the internet and on Wikipedia would apply
02:51 < dax> see e.g. https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/174474/why-is-diginotar-ca-still-in-my-mozilla-firefox
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02:52 < dax> (if they weren't in the certificate store at all, they'd merely show as self-signed / untrusted, rather than actively flagged as A Problem)
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02:58 < mystic> but they are not on firefox. I only find them on ungoogled-chromium
03:01 < mystic> ok roughly I think I understood. In practice they must necessarily be among the certification authorities but they do not represent a danger because in case of a certificate signed by those CAs I would be warned by the browser.
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03:02 < mystic> I have another question... always on ungoogled-chromium I get an error when connecting to the site www.difesa.it This is the site of the Italian Ministry of Defense. So a government site. But I get an error on the certificate.
03:03 < mystic> here is the error: https://imgur.com/a/XkDBELT  ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID
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03:05 < mystic> frankly I don't think the ministry of defense site has any certificate security issues. So I think it's my problem.
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13:06 < morpho> im trying to profile a C prgram with gprof
13:07 < morpho> but then the dynamic linking seems to not work when i compile with -pg
13:07 < morpho> /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.18.2: undefined symbol '_toupper_tab_'
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13:19 < morpho> game[7005]: pinsyscalls addr 2fe644 code 253, pinoff 0xffffffff (pin 330 28e88f000-28e89d66d e66d) (libcpin 0 0-0 0) error 78
13:19 < morpho> is there some security feature blocking this?
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13:25 < Lucas_> morpho: profiling only works with static linking
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13:26 < Lucas_> regarding the pinsyscalls error, that seems like an outdate snapshot
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13:32 < morpho> Lucas_: i dont need to profile x11, its just part of the program. is there a way to ignore it?
13:35 < morpho> what is outdated sorry?
13:35 < moviuro> hi all, I'm running spamd in blacklist-only mode, but now the daily job complains about spamlogd not running -- which doesn't look necessary in my case? And spamlogd complains about a missing file when it runs (/var/db/spamd). Not sure what's the cleanest thing to do in that case?
13:38 < Lucas_> morpho: I'm taking you're following -current. The snapshot you're using is probably quite old, many months.
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13:38 < Lucas_> can be easily confirmed if you share the output of `sysctl kern.version`
13:38 < morpho> im using 7.6
13:39 < Lucas_> is that `game` your own program or is a port?
13:39 < morpho> my own program
13:39 < Lucas_> ok, then you're doing something you shouldn't be doing
13:40 < Lucas_> you're making a syscall not via libc, iirc
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13:40 < morpho> hrmm, i have a c++ header so -lstdc++ and vulkan and glfw
13:41 < morpho> but the rest of the code is just C
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13:43 < Lucas_> according to pinsyscalls(2), you have a game.core file. Plug that into a debugger, take a look at where it comes from.
13:44 < morpho> #0  0x00000000002fe646 in _libc_getenv (name=Variable "name" is not available.)
13:45 < morpho> theres more errors
13:46 < morpho> (gdb) bt #0  issetugid () at /tmp/-:2 #1  0x9bf06e38ccdaf302 in ?? () #2  0x00000000002ea819 in _libc_preinit (argc=Unhandled dwarf expression opcode 0xa3 )
13:47 < Lucas_> share the full traceback
13:47 < Lucas_> use a paste service
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13:47 < morpho> thanks
13:48 < puffybuf> I want to restrict my text editor. Can I just write a c++ program that calls pledge and then exec emacs?
13:50 < IcePic> puffybuf: no
13:50 < puffybuf> why not?
13:50 < IcePic> or.. you could, but it would probably not have the desired effect
13:50 < IcePic> pledge is not inherited
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13:51 < Lucas_> technically, it is
13:51 < puffybuf> if it's not inherited what is to stop bad code from just running shell commands?
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13:51 < Lucas_> you need exec pledge
13:51 < morpho> Lucas_: https://bsd.ac/v3tctrd
13:51 < Lucas_> as long as your program doesn't have exec pledge, it can't exec
13:51 < Lucas_> so you won't be able to shell out
13:51 < Lucas_> IcePic: the second pledge argument, execpromises
13:52 < IcePic> Lucas_: I know, but it probably wont work for generic cases. Out of the ~400ish pledges obsd programs, only "ldd" has execpromises, because it "half-runs" the program it looks at
13:53 < Lucas_> morpho: that's quite useless, but given you can run into it, first install `gdb` from ports, then compile your game with debug symbols, get a new core, then run `egdb` (which is the gdb from ports) and share the backtrace.
13:53 < Lucas_> IcePic: totally agree with that
13:53 < IcePic> puffybuf: the design is made not as a container, but as if each program knew best what capabilities it needs. For obsd programs, this is true
13:54 < oldlaptop> as far as I understand execpromises did not turn out to be as useful as expected/hoped
13:54 < puffybuf> how about unveil? I really just want to restrict emacs to specific folders so it can't read my ssh keys and such
13:54 < oldlaptop> (it wasn't even the original design purpose of the second argument back in the tame days, IIRC)
13:55 < IcePic> so /bin/sh actually cant make network calls. It could run "nc" or one of hundred other programs that talk network, but itself can't. If you then stick that /bin/sh into a chroot or something, where it can't launch network-talking programs, it is now succesfully restricted from talking network
13:56 < IcePic> if pledges and unveils always inherited, the shell would always have to have maximum possibilities since it needs to be able to start any kind of program that in turns needs to do reboot() or whatever 
13:58 < morpho> Lucas_: https://bsd.ac/s1t215z
13:59 < Lucas_> puffybuf: unveil isn't inherited, neither
13:59 < IcePic> puffybuf: look at something like "sudoedit" perhaps?
14:00 < Lucas_> but you can create your own patch for it and build from ports, unveiling off ~/.ssh
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14:01 < Lucas_> I *think* that is achievable by unveil("/", "rwxc"); unveil("/home/user/.ssh", "");
14:01 < pardis> if your goal is to restrict access to specific directories, why were you even looking at pledge?
14:01 < IcePic> add dummy user to a group you are in, run editor as dummy user, edit file that is in /home/you/groupowned-dir/test.txt 
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20:25 < gnucode> apparently someone is trying to make their own LLVM...and it's MIT licensed.
20:25 < gnucode> https://yasserarg.com/tb
20:25 < gnucode> https://github.com/RealNeGate/Cuik
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20:43 < ecbrown> no vax target, yawn
20:46 < thrig> don't have a vax, man!
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20:47 < martian67> ecbrown: if vax mattered at all, compilers would target it
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20:48 < martian67> they presumably care about hardware and software anyone used for the last 25 years
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20:50 < ecbrown> dang tough crowd in #openbsd today :-)
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20:51 < fro> vax used about as much as some random llvm replacement
20:52 < martian67> fro: and what do you think the intersection between the two is
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20:53 < fro> that would be it
20:53 < fro> or
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20:54 < fro> they have about as much relevance going forward
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20:59 < ajr> gnucode: i wonder how it compares to qbe - https://c9x.me/compile/
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21:21 < gnucode> ajr: thanks a really good question.  I wonder when some OpenBSD developer will decide I want to write an official OpenBSD toolchain specifically for OpenBSD.  kind of like got is doing for git.
21:24 < ecbrown> strikes me as a huge undertaking.  iiuc it was hard enough to keep patched gcc 4.2
21:26 < gnucode> ecbrown: don't undersell yourself.  I'm sure you can do it!  (better you than me.  ^_^  )
21:27 < fro> prob never gonna happen
21:28 < pardis> sounds like a brilliant idea. the main problem facing compiler toolchains today is a lack of niche, semi-maintained compilers with overambitious goals
21:28 < ecbrown> i think simple portable c is still around, but expectations are much higher now what with mature compiler choices
21:28 < ecbrown> thanks for the vote of confidence :-)
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21:34 < gnucode> ecbrown: of course!
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23:34 < seninha> Hi, should i keep `CC=/usr/local/bin/clang-19` on my mk.conf(5) when writing/testing ports? I want to use clang-19 from devel/llvm-19 port rather than base's clang-16; but i am thinking that it may get something working when building a new port, which will not work on base.
23:35 < seninha> I build ports as _pbuild user, i can somehow define CC only for my personal user
23:37 < seninha> Or write a ~/mk.conf and define MAKECONF for my user.
23:38 < seninha> I will test whether any of those env vars leaks into _pbuild's shell.
23:38  * seninha ends rubber ducking
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23:45 < Lucas_> if you're using _pbuild via doas, you can set environment variables, or inherit them from the current environment
23:46 < ecbrown> seninha: i am curious, have you ever changed that to e.g. gcc14 and tried to build, vomparing success rate to clang's
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23:50 < seninha> ecbrown, i just want newer clang for my personal projects, while still building (and testing, before submitting) ports with base clang. My worry (probably exhagerated) is that testing ports with a non-base compiler may yield a different behavior (maybe an error?) on base's clang.
23:51 < seninha> As bsd.port.mk(5): “Common reasons for explicitly setting COMPILER will most often be C++11 support, thread-local-storage support (emulated), atomic operations on some arches, sometimes assembler support, ABI compatibility with dependent/depending ports, or plain old internal compiler errors.”
23:53 < seninha> just to be sure for ports, i want to keep the building for _pbuild different from my user
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23:56 < seninha> I have removed "keepenv" from doas.conf(5) line for _pbuild, and my custom CC is not used by ports infrastructure; but setting MAKECONF in my user makes make(1) use my custom mk.conf before doas'ing into _pbuild
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