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11:20 < Posterdati> hi
11:25 < dansa> hi
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15:29 < jcs> hi
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15:43 < dansa> :)
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16:23 < kodcode> Hi. I enabled unbound on my laptop. resolvd is added "nameserver 192.168.8.1 # resolv: trunk0" to resolv.conf - what did I miss?
16:25 < thrig> turn off resolvd and put 127.0.0.1 manually into the file?
16:26 < kodcode> thrig: is this a permant solution i.e. even after rebooting?
16:27 < sibiria> disabling it is permanent
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16:45 < kodcode> Thanks.
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16:59 < passstab> Do the fans get loud on the t490? I've read that is an issue in reviews.
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17:02 < Bradipo> I guess some fans review more loudly than others?  Maybe they are more loud because those fans prefer the t490 more than some?
17:03 < sibiria> my work computer is the t495 (amd ryzen). it's pretty quiet
17:03 < Bradipo> Then you must be a fan.
17:04 < sibiria> no it really is quiet during idle and low load, in the literal sense
17:04 < sibiria> doesn't spin up very often
17:05 < sibiria> i don't entirely consider myself a fan of lenovo. if anything i think their laptops, even the thinkpads, are overpriced chinesey rubbish
17:05 < passstab> Thanks, I wasn't sure if OpenBSD might have power management issues that would make this worse.
17:05 < sibiria> you can bet it eats more than linux does on the same hardware
17:06 < passstab> sibiria: What do you prefer?
17:06 < passstab> I'm looking to get something used in the $200 range.
17:06 < sibiria> i guess a refurbished thinkpad fits in that ballpark
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17:07 < passstab> Mostly because I want to get back into unix, but I'm afraid to commit with my daily driver.
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17:07 < sibiria> perhaps you could dual-boot
17:07 < Bradipo> Only way to find out is to try.
17:08 < Bradipo> What is your typical use of the "daily driver"?
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17:11 < passstab> Stupid web browsing mostly.
17:12 < sibiria> perusing dancing cats and singing dogs on that thing, the popular thing they spoke about on the news, Internet or something
17:12 < passstab> At the moment I'm out of work, so I'm hesitant to remove windows because I don't know if my next job might need it.
17:12 < Bradipo> Yeah, difficult time to make a switch.
17:13 < Bradipo> Maybe you'll get lucky and your next job will provide a laptop to you.
17:13 < passstab> So $150 for used one isn't that big a deal.
17:13 < passstab> How is YouTube on OpenBSD nowadays?
17:13 < sibiria> or just keep both windows and openbsd installed, and hop to'n'fro' 
17:14 < Bradipo> YouTube works fine on OpenBSD.
17:14 < Bradipo> Well, at least for my casual use of it.
17:14 < passstab> Is it not scary to dual boot windows?
17:14 < sibiria> not too scary these days
17:14 < sibiria> was worse in the pat
17:14 < sibiria> past*
17:14 < passstab> I will be very sad if I lose my data.
17:15 < thrig> two operating systems to patch, one bootloader to not clobber
17:15 < ivdsangen> then do make backups
17:15 < sibiria> use rEFInd
17:15 < sibiria> risk of losing data should always be taken into consideration when using a computer. always backup your stuff
17:16 < passstab> OK, cool I'll look into dual booting.
17:16 < vortexx> passstab: remember to get windows to use the AHCI driver, not the RAID0 one which many a laptop defaults to, so you can dualboot. Plenty of instructions on how to achieve this out there
17:17 < passstab> I can do this on an existing windows install?
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17:18 < sibiria> if you have unused space on the drive, yes
17:19 < passstab> And should it work if I make an image of my windows install on a larger drive and dual-boot that?
17:19 < sibiria> yes that's one solution to get more free space
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17:20 < passstab> Is there a particular dual boot guide I should start with?
17:20 < sibiria> helps if your installation is on EFI and not olde BIOS
17:21 < passstab> It is a t14 gen 5, so I don't think that should be an issue.
17:21 < sibiria> i think there might be a dual-boot example in the FAQ on openbsd.org
17:22 < sibiria> it won't necessarily fit your setup but might be a place to start
17:22 < passstab> vortexx, How do I check that?
17:23 < sibiria> if it were me i'd just make a new EFI installation, save some space, throw rEFInd on the disk and then make a partition for openbsd on the spare space
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17:25 < passstab> When you say "new EFI installation" are you referring to changing the computer's firmware?
17:26 < passstab> I'm sorry, last time I was doing this stuff, it was with bios.
17:26 < sibiria> no, installing windows anew and making sure the laptop is set to EFI and not BIOS/CSM
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17:31 < passstab> wait, is there really a reason that should be a concern?
17:32 < sibiria> you can multi-boot in BIOS/CSM. it's just a bit easier to manage multiple operating systems on EFI
17:32 < passstab> I'm more confused as to why my computer would be using bios in the first place.
17:33 < sibiria> it's pretty common that CSM is enabled by default
17:33 < sibiria> easy enough to find out by just going into the efi/bios and having a look-see
17:34 < passstab> Sure, I'll check that.
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17:36 < passstab> If it is on CSM now, then I will need to make a fresh windows install to switch to EFI?
17:36 < vortexx> passstab: go into the BIOS and check how the SSD is presented to the OS, you can choose AHCI or RAID0 (which is often called Intel RapidStorage or something similar)
17:36 < vortexx> and yes you need a fresh install if going to UEFI, because you need GPT partitionning
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17:37 < vortexx> (OpenBSD can't mix & match UEFI/CSM with GPT/MBR)
17:41 < xse> should be able to check if there's an EFI partition from windows directly https://irc.krkrkr.org/uploads/xse/261f6e79-efi_dualboot_fromwindows.txt
17:43 < dansa> I'm going to soon try OpenBSD (latest version) on a oldish computer I don't know much about yet.  I heard the computer has 2 GiB of RAM and I surely expect a hard disk, not an SSD.  I heard it's an Intel'ish computer, so I am hopeful of good support by OpenBSD.  I would like it to be OpenBSD, but I'd go for that system that supports the hardware and boots fast.  Any recommendation?  The computer will be used for just EMACS.
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17:45 < uwharrie> not much to recommend other than to try it while following the official docs
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17:46 < dansa> Thanks!  Will do.  Will report the findings.
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17:48 < passstab> Thank you to everyone who helped me
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21:33 < riceandbeans> can pflogd stream the data to a remote server ?
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21:43 < phy1729> Don't think so, but there's also pflow which might suffice for you
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21:45 < pardis> or 'tail -f /var/log/pflog | nc ...'
21:47 < quinq> (or even ssh)
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21:49 < riceandbeans> i was thinking persistent real time rather than one off or a hack but i can read the man for pflow
21:49 < anelli> gamers
21:49 < anelli> wait wrong chat sorry
21:49 < riceandbeans> worst case i can look at tcpdump for inspiration for a by hand thing
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21:50 < pardis> how far we've come, when composing tools that each do one thing well and are designed to work together is considered a hack
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21:54 < riceandbeans> it's a hack when what I want is it daemonizwd with error handling and retries and not sending duplicate data
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22:21 < Bradipo> Why does Firefox on OpenBSD report a Linux user-agent string?
22:22 < dansa> Good question!  I've asked myself the same thing.
22:22 < Bradipo> I don't know when this started, but I know for a long time it correctly reported OpenBSD.
22:22 < dansa> Perhaps because nobody wrote the correct string?  That's what I thought.
22:23 < Bradipo> Well, presumably the default user-agent would be a compile-time option.
22:23 < Bradipo> Or automatically detected by the browser at run-time.
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22:27 < thrig> some sites (kindle.amazon.com comes to mind) can be very picky about the user-agent presented
22:27 < thrig> so forging a more common user agent may help avoid wacky sites doing wacky things
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22:28 < Bradipo> Indubitably so, but I would expect that to be my responsibility.
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22:43 < jcs> and because there are like a dozen openbsd users in the world so having it in the user agent string would make it easy to know which of the dozen you are just by your region
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22:47 < Bradipo> Guess now there will be no OpenBSD users in the world (at least not according to web logs).
22:47 < anelli> we need an openbsd user census
22:48 < anelli> and openbsd town. with mayor puffy. would be fun
22:49 < mischief> hm, i was almost certain openbsd.town was a registered domain name, must have misremembered
22:49 < anelli> o is free
22:49 < pardis> personally, I just use Mozilla 4.0 to browse the web
22:49 < anelli> pardis: that sounds insecure
22:50 < anelli> idk about that version tho. i don't think i was born back then lol
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22:58 < thrig> also DDG will yell at you if you use a MSIE 8 on Windows 8 user-agent
23:03 < mischief> i installed windows xp in a vm recently, that was fun
23:03 < mischief> somehow google works in old ie but nothing else :-D
23:03 < Bradipo> Impressive.  Is that so you could install Flash?
23:03 < mischief> i thought some old games might work in it, but i had trouble doing much of anything
23:04 < mischief> i just played some space cadet pinball
23:04 < Bradipo> Like WarCraft or WarCraft II?
23:04 < mischief> i think those two are so old they will run in dos, lol
23:05 < Bradipo> Yeah, I think so.
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