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02:59 < Bradipo> I have a SD card that I formatted with newfs_msdos, but when I insert it into a device that is supposed to be able to read it, it fails.
03:00 < Bradipo> Yet if I have the device format it first, then it works fine and it is formatted with MSDOS.
03:00 < Bradipo> FAT32 specifically.
03:00 < Bradipo> So, what does the device differently that I didn't do with newfs_msdos?
03:01 < Bradipo> Is there a way to inspect what parameters it created the FS with?
03:02 < Bradipo> I just did: newfs_msdos -F 32 device
03:02 < Lucas_> dumpfs
03:03 < Lucas_> maybe
03:03 < Lucas_> oh, yes
03:03 < Lucas_> dumpfs -m
03:03 < Bradipo> Yeah, I can try that.
03:05  * oldlaptop would kinda expect dumpfs to not know about random foreign filesystems
03:07 < oldlaptop> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sbin/dumpfs/dumpfs.c?rev=1.39&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup dumpfs() reads as though it tolerates only ffs/ffs2
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03:08 < Bradipo> Wouldn't surprise me.
03:09 < Bradipo> Maybe tunefs...
03:09 < Bradipo> Probably also restricted to FFS.
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03:13 < Bradipo> dumpfs: cannot find filesystem superblock
03:13 < Bradipo> Doesn't look like it groks MSDOS.
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03:16 < Bradipo> When I format it using the device, it writes very little...
03:16 < Bradipo> I wiped the first 1m of the drive, and then used the device to format it...
03:16 < Bradipo> This is all it has: https://clbin.com/91I9f
03:16 < Bradipo> That's it!
03:17 < BasketCase> did you partition it and format a partition or the whole device?
03:17 < Bradipo> I did not partition it.
03:17 < Bradipo> I ran: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd5c bs=1m count=1
03:17 < Bradipo> Then I inserted it in the device and used it's method for formatting it.
03:18 < Bradipo> Clearly it switched the disk signature to 0xAA55.
03:19 < Bradipo> You can see that at hex address 1fe and 1ff.
03:19 < Bradipo> Maybe I'll nuke more than 1m.
03:19 < Bradipo> Since the first offset on the disk is 8192.
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03:21 < Bradipo> Whatever the device is doing, it's much faster than newfs_msdos.
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03:33 < Bradipo> So I did a diff between the two images that each creates.
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03:34 < Bradipo> The MBR is the same.  The Signature is the same.  But there appears to be a lot more information written into the block by newfs_msdos.
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03:34 < Bradipo> Where newfs_msdos produces ".X.BSD  4.4... ." the device produces "...SYSTEMID....."
03:34 < Bradipo> And there also appears to be a volume name that is different.
03:34 < Bradipo> Maybe the device expects a special volume name.
03:36 < Bradipo> So the OEM string is different and the volume label is different.
03:36 < Bradipo> Among other things.
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03:41 < vortexx> Bradipo: 1. you do need to format, newfs isn't enough 2. how big is this device? MBR might not be enough, you'd need GPT beyond a certain size
03:42 < Bradipo> Define "format".
03:42 < Bradipo> If I wipe the SD card with "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rsd5c bs=1m count=100" then use the device proper to "format" it, it works fine.
03:42 < Bradipo> It produces a MSDOS filesystem that mount -t msdos can mount, no problems.
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03:43 < Bradipo> But if I use newfs_msdos on a similarly wiped SD card, it won't "mount" on the device.
03:43 < Bradipo> And I don't need GPT in this case because the device is *NOT* producing GPT.
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03:44 < vortexx> Bradipo: fdisk it
03:44 < Bradipo> Yeah, I did that.
03:44 < Bradipo> I used fdisk first, made the first partition 0c, then I ran newfs_msdos -F 32 /dev/rsd5i
03:45 < Bradipo> Is that what you mean by "format"?
03:45 < vortexx> yes
03:45 < Bradipo> Yeah, that doesn't work.
03:45 < Bradipo> It works to allow OpenBSD to mount it, but the device doesn't recognize it.
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09:06 < flips> Trying to figure out how to use my own nameserver instead of DHCP provided ones, should I just disable resolvd? (Was able to ignore dns in /etc/dhcpleased.conf, but how to set supersede nameserver like we did in dhclient.conf?)
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09:07 < IcePic> flips: it might be easier to intercept all udp and tcp against port 53 and have PF point it to your preferred resolver (perhaps a local unbound or unwind)
09:08 < flips> Easier than somehow regain control of /etc/resolv.conf? ;)
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09:12 < pardis> disabling resolvd is indeed the correct way to go if you want to manually manage resolv.conf
09:12 < CosmicDJ> or you configure/enable unwind, resolvd will use unwind when it's running
09:14 < flips> pardis / IcePic / CosmicDJ: Thanks :)
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09:20 < IcePic> unwind is nice, it can (ab)use a bad resolver until you win over some wifi capturing portal and then move over to a decent resolver later
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14:22 < moviuro> hi all, I'm running spamd in blacklist-only mode, but now the daily job complains about spamlogd not running -- which doesn't look necessary in my case? And spamlogd complains about a missing file when it runs (/var/db/spamd). Not sure what's the cleanest thing to do in that case?
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15:36 < TaelTydes> i've had a good look through the mailing list but can not seem to get openbsd to boot on my greencloudvps.
15:37 < TaelTydes> strangely, the 1st time round all worked as expected, booted into my install. then after subsequent reboot failed at raid0 256 targets. 
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15:38 < TaelTydes> now I am unable to even reboot the installer without first disabling fdc & softraid. strange behavior honestly.
15:38 < Bradipo> That is odd...
15:39 < Bradipo> If you were able to boot the installer once, it should continue to work.
15:40 < TaelTydes> I agree. I can't for the life think what might have changed between boots. being a shared vps I don't have access to any KVM or bios settings. 
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16:17 < pardis> do you have an /etc/boot.conf?
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16:55 < TaelTydes> hmm. it doesn't look like I do.
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17:13 < TaelTydes> I have reinstalled (again) & it seems to have booted again. A bit wary of rebooting again now.
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17:20 < user21>  at this url https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html for the location " Location: New York Internet, New York, NY, USA." says connection refused
17:21 < uwharrie> user21: CVS servers tend to do that if they're overloaded
17:28 < TaelTydes> shame. a full shutdown & restart results in a crash again. 
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17:59 < user21> CVS_RSH=ssh helped
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18:06 < TaelTydes> it seems the problem is softraid related. disabling SR during boot results in root device softraid not configured. why the root device would use softraid when it was disabled during boot of the installer I don't know.
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18:09 < Bradipo> Well, I think it always loads, whether or not you're actually creating any softraid volumes.
18:09 < Bradipo> On a system where I have no softraid volumes it still reports "softraid0 at root"
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18:14 < BasketCase> that softraid0 message is normal.  here is the very end of the dmesg on my OpenBSD VM: https://bpa.st/PVXQ
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18:15 < BasketCase> (my hardware OpenBSD machine has a lot more randomthing at root in dmesg
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18:28 < Bradipo> It seems that the nagios daemon runs as _nagios, and id(1) reports that the same.
18:28 < Bradipo> However, for some reason the environment of the daemon has root's environment.
18:28 < Bradipo> e.g. USER=root, HOME=/root, etc...
18:29 < Bradipo> But curiously CWD=/tmp
18:29 < Bradipo> Sorry, PWD=/tmp
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18:29 < Bradipo> I'm looking at rc.subr and the rc_exec() function seems to not use anything like "su -m", so I'm not sure why it would have root's environment.
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18:35 < quinq> Bradipo, maybe look at /etc/login.conf
18:36 < Bradipo> The daemon class in /etc/login.conf is the default.
18:37 < Bradipo> The only other thing I could think of is a SUID binary somewhere.
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18:54 < TaelTydes> ah. If that's the last thing shown in your dmesg then maybe it's just the vnc connection that cuts off. Still doesn't explain why ssh would not connect. Tomorrow's another day.
18:57 < BasketCase> guessing that VNC is from the hypervisor?  that works for me too though I only have access to it via a web interface.
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20:11 < TaelTydes> i'm not entirely sure as it will not connect before boot so no interface to poke at. 
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20:35 < phy1729> encrypt_root in distrib/miniroo/install.sub starts with   [[ $MDBOOTSR == y ]] || return  . Seems softraid isn't supported on macppc
20:35 < pardis> https://man.openbsd.org/softraid
20:35 < pardis> "Boot support is currently limited to the CRYPTO, RAID 1 disciplines on the amd64, arm64, i386, riscv64 and sparc64 platforms."
20:36 < pardis> you should still be fine to create encrypted disks and partitions, just not the one with your root filesystem on it
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20:44 < phy1729> ah just booting of softraid. Guess someone has to modify the assembly for each arch
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20:47 < unrznbl> ah, thanks pardis for the clues, maybe I'll have a go at adding support :)
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21:31 < thrig> tug twice on the rope when you need us to pull you back up from the depths
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21:53 < unrznbl> thrig: this offer is for me? I work very slow, decades, who knows what will happen. ;)
21:54 < unrznbl> I am drawn to openbsd as the "smallest amount of source code for a usable unix system" and then also enjoy that I can run it on a 22 yr old PBG4 and it "just works". Thank you OpenBSD folks. :)
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22:12 < sibiria> some consider minix3 a usable unix system. crazies
22:13 < tux0r> plan 9 is a usable post-unix system
22:13 < tux0r> it depends on what you want to do with it, i guess
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22:13 < sibiria> watch funny pet shenanigans on the youtubes
22:14 < quinq> What's a PBG4?
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22:19 < jcs> powerbook g4
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22:21 < quinq> ohh ok, thanks jcs :)
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22:26 < unrznbl> yeah, quinq, sorry for the acronym. I usually try to avoid those. plan 9 is interesting for sure but doesn't run on this g4. I have tried plan9 several times and enjoyed toying with the acme editor.
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22:33 < unrznbl> ah, I have a newbie question, on my powerbook g4 (macppc) I try to record audio from the microphone and I get a wav file that doesn't make any noise. mixerctl says record.record=0,0 and I can't seem to change that...
22:33 < unrznbl> mixerctl -v record.record=255,255 says record.record: 0,0 -> 0,0
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22:36 < jcs> have you also done "sysctl kern.audio.record=1"
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22:38 < unrznbl> oh no. I thought I had :( I probably almost did and then said nah... I'll write some CFEngine policy for that so I don't have to remember next time. Thank you. :)
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22:43 < unrznbl> jcs: I did that and it is set but still I get 0,0 -> 0,0, hmm
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23:45 < ssm_> Does anyone know how dpb -I is supposed to work? when I invoke, say, `dpb -B /usr/proot -I www/badwolf`, it does get installed in either the chroot or outside of the chroot
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