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00:45 < ssm_> s/does/does not/
00:45 < ssm_> *s/does/does not/2
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02:02 < drotte> unrznbl: doas sysctl kern.audio.record=1
02:03 < drotte> oh I should have scrolled down
02:05 < unrznbl> yeah, drotte, thank you, it was shocking that I didn't think of it for a while... still doesn't work after that for some reason... maybe I'll have to enable some debugs or something...
02:05 < unrznbl> audio output does work, sox, mpv, that sort of thing.
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02:07 < drotte> can try an external mic too
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02:08 < thrig> what does dmesg show for audio stuff
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02:08 < thrig> maybe it's a broadcom mic with extra special nvidia bits taped on
02:09 < drotte> btw you can put kern.audio.record=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf for persistence
02:12 < unrznbl> yes. I did that. I did also notice that this model should have an nvidia card but X doesn't start for lack of a driver. Yes. Next step is trying the audio input. Thanks!
02:12 < unrznbl> :ttfn:
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09:44 < unpx> Hello, I was wondering how can I change microphone: I'm using ungoogled-chromium for a meeting and the only microphone I see is the one built in the laptop, but doesn't change to the headphones (hp in mixerctl or sndioctl I don't recall)
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10:12 < unpx> I just notice that ungoogle-chromium CAN RECORD audio and video without kern.audio.record and kern.video.record enabled
10:12 < unpx> discard that
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10:15 < unpx> wrong machine
10:16 < unpx> I think I need to plug an external microphone then
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11:06 < xse> > Login *** is off but still has a valid shell and alternate access files in home directory are still readable.
11:06 < xse> what an explicit security mail
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11:23 < renaud> xse: check master.passwd(5) §7
11:24 < renaud> login accounts not allowing password authentication but allowing other authentication methods, for example public key authentication, conventionally have 13 asterisks in the password field.
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11:32 < rueda> usermod -p '*************' login
11:32 < xse> yeah i think it did not like a daemon having a shell
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11:37 < xse> funny that the security manpage states "The name of this script may provide a false sense of security." under BUGS
11:38 < renaud> you can put a shell to a daemon if needed, but the password field has to contain 13 *
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12:54 < unpx> And moreover, what is the correct way to set volume in openbsd? sndioctl or mixerctl?
12:54 < sibiria> both, depending on if you want to change the final output or just a specific source
12:55 < unpx> sibiria: I see that the volume keys changes the state of mixerctl
12:56 < unpx> sibiria: in general, I would like to change the final output
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12:58 < sibiria> that's mixertctl.conf then
12:58 < sibiria> the master output
12:59 < unpx> sibiria: and how can I use it as user?
12:59 < unpx> https://man.openbsd.org/mixerctl.8 
13:00 < unpx> So the strange thing: volume controls change mixerctl and my custom contro change with sndioctl
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13:08 < sibiria> ah if you want to control the inputs and outputs live i think you do that with sndioctl
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13:09 < unpx> Yes, sibiria, but what I see is that XF86AudioRaiseVolume and XF86AudioLowerVolume are mapped to mixerctl. Maybe I'm missing some configuration I did, but can't recall where shall this be. Maybe in xenocara
13:09 < sibiria> i don't think i can help. i have a completely static setup with no keys mapped to any of the controls
13:10 < sibiria> i adjust my volume on my headphones...
13:10 < unpx> :)
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20:40 < sukamu> Hello: I want to dump my hard drive (like, literally, not using dump(8)) because I want to use that disk image to create a virtual machine in a rack server I got. What is the best way to do this? I've tried using dd but i couldn't make it work
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20:52 < vortexx> sukamu: we may as well start with why dd didn't work. Did you use it on a live system? Is this an FDE system?
20:53 < BasketCase> dd should work though you need to be booted from something else when you do it and the disk shouldn't be mounted at all.  also, ddrescue is a bit nicer
20:53 < vortexx> you could boot the bsd.rd at the bootloader, connect a large enough usb device and dd to that
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20:58 < BasketCase> heh, didn't think about using bsd.rd.  have had a network bootable rescue iso for too long to have to get that creative
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21:16 < sukamu> Ah, Alright. I'll do it in a live system. Didn't know I had to do that. is it imperative that I use a 'larger usb drive?' I was thinking on mounting an nfs and dd to that mountpoint
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21:17 < sukamu> The live system can be anything right? Doesn't has to be OpenBSD
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21:23 < BasketCase> the live system can be anything with dd or similar disk cloning.  and I guess it needs to do NFS since you mentioned that
21:23 < sukamu> alright i'll try doing it using void linux
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21:23 < BasketCase> though NFS would be for storing an image not for being the new boot device
21:23 < sukamu> Yeah that's the idea, create an image so i can create a VM from that image
21:24 < sukamu> by "anything" i wanted to say "anything that is not a toy operating system" :p
21:24 < BasketCase> I would use system rescue CD but again that is because that is what I have network bootable (it is Gentoo Linux based)
21:25 < sukamu> I should set up network boot one day now that i have the epic server
21:26 < BasketCase> I think I have clonezilla on there too but it has probably been >10 years since I used or updated it
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21:26 < sukamu> ha, nice one
21:26 < sukamu> Well i'll reboot this thing to boot on void. I'll report back, thanks for the help!
21:27 < BasketCase> when I say that ddrescue is nicer I mostly just mean that it gives a display
21:27 < BasketCase> and if you give it a log file it can resume
21:28 < sukamu> i'll check it out :)
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22:49 < dansa> I know a USB flash drive made for an OpenBSD install works because I can boot it in a samsung computer.  I'm trying to boot it on an old ASUS computer (with a build date of 2010) whose model is 1201HA, with an American Megatrends BIOS, not UEFI.  The drive seems to be ignored---keep in mind I'm using this computer for the first time.  During the POST, I can see some USB messages which means the system does have USB-capacity.  I see a
22:49 < dansa> message like ``Initializing USB Controller...''.  There's no CD-ROM drive in the system (even though it's mentioned as a boot option in the BIOS), so if it can boot at all, it will have to be through a USB drive or possibly through the network, but the BIOS mentions no network boot.  I've tried the three USB ports.  Any suggestion?  Thanks!
22:51 < dansa> The system has MiniOS installed in it.  It takes forever to load, but I'm going to see if the USB drive can be read at all by the system.  I'm also going to try a new USB flash drive from a different manufacturer---just in case.
22:51 < dansa> (But keep in mind I've never used MiniOS either.)
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22:51 < pardis> did the Samsung computer you tested it on also use BIOS booting?
22:52 < dansa> Excellent question!  Let me check.
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22:54 < dansa> I don't know how to answer the question.  The Samsung system is definitely UEFI.  In Boot Options Priorities, I have options such as UEFI OS and UEFI: 1.00.  So I think it's not BIOS-booting at all.  It looks like it doesn't have BIOS legacy support.
22:54 < BasketCase> dansa: google tells me that that model Asus has a boot menu if you hit escape at the right time.  maybe the usb device will show up there?
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22:54 < dansa> When I booted it with the flash drive, I choose ``UEFI: 1.00'' as the first boot option, so I think I did not legacy-BIOS boot the flash drive.
22:55 < dansa> BasketCase: I'll try that right now.
22:56 < dansa> pardis: the Samsung computer says (in SysInfo) BIOS Version P21CFB.
22:57 < BasketCase> I believe I actually had that model Asus but it is long dead
22:57 < dansa> BasketCase: you're quite right!  I pressed ESC and I was offered two options the SATA disk in the system and a USB option.  I chose the USB option using the arrow keys, but it booted the SATA disk anyway.
22:58 < tvtoon> it is probably the fallback
22:59 < dansa> Yeah.  It feels like it didn't find a system in the USB drive.  Hey, let me try all three USB ports.
22:59 < BasketCase> that is my guess too.  what image did you put on the usb and how?
22:59 < tvtoon> if your BIOS is old, as in old enough, you may have trouble with some devices
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22:59 < tvtoon> I can't remember details about OBSD on MBR, so I don't know really
22:59 < dansa> I wrote the USB flash drive using an OpenBSD using the dd command, following the installation instructions in the FAQ.
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23:02 < dansa> I was able to load the MiniOS (somehow it came up ``quickly'' this time.  I think I asked it not to load it to RAM and boot it live or something.  Perhaps the load to RAM thing takes forever due to compression or some decompression going on.  I've no idea.)  Anyway, in the MiniOS file explorer (or however it's called) I can read the files in the USB flash drive.  Oh, guess what
23:02 < dansa> ?  This ASUS system is an Intel one, right?  My OpenBSD install USB flash drive is actually for AMD64.  That doesn't right, does it?
23:03 < dansa> That doesn't *look* right, does it?  
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23:03 < dansa> I actually don't know---are these two manufacturers the same architecture?
23:03 < dansa> I mean Intel and AMD.
23:04 < dansa> Omg, I doubt this system is 64-bit at all.
23:04 < dansa> I should try i386.
23:04 < BasketCase> there is a BIOS available: https://www.asus.com/us/supportonly/eee%20pc%201201ha/helpdesk_bios/
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23:05 < dansa> You mean an update available?  That's indeed my BIOS version---revision 0303.
23:06 < BasketCase> CPU is Intel Atom Z520 which is x86 not amd64
23:06 < dansa> Yeah---I'm making this obvious mistake. :)  I completely forgot that 32-bit existed still.
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23:06 < dansa> I had completely forgotten.
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23:07 < BasketCase> that netbook is from about the end of them
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23:08 < dansa> That makes sense.  Netbook they're called, huh?  This is from a friend.  I'm trying to see if I can put a system that will let him at least run EMACS to write notes in the classroom.  The university doesn't offer them accounts in the computer labs---he has to upload his files to Google Drive or something.
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23:11 < BasketCase> if I am right about it being the model I had it should be capable of that until it dies like mine did
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23:12 < dansa> I saw build date 04/15/10 in the BIOS.  So I guess this system was manufactured in 2010?  So it's turning 15.  I hope it still lasts for a few more years.
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23:14 < BasketCase> well, the laptop I replaced it with is a 2016 vintage Asus that still works though I had to remove the battery before it blew out the case.
23:16 < BasketCase> actually, 2018 vintage
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23:17 < dansa> Are you saying a computer from 2018 is vintage? :)
23:18 < BasketCase> vintage enough that the battery died twice :P
23:18 < dansa> :) I'd call that not great luck :)
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23:18 < BasketCase> actually, the battery never quit working it just quit fitting inside of the laptop
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23:20 < dansa> Really?  Do they enlarge or something?  You lost me there. :)
23:20 < dansa> Hey, guess what?!  I've booted OpenBSD! :)  Thanks so much, guys.
23:21 < BasketCase> yay. and yes, that's what modern batteries do.  they expand until they break the thing they are inside of.
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23:24 < dansa> Wow!  I had never heard of that.
23:24 < dansa> But then I don't know anything about hardware or batteries.
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23:29 < Bradipo> BasketCase: I had dozens of 1U servers that had swollen RAID BBU batteries.  Destroyed some of the cards.
23:30 < BasketCase> modern batteries suck.  I so miss the days when they just slowly quit working and you could just yank them out and put in a new one.
23:31 < BasketCase> good news, that old eeepc has the old kind
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23:45 < dansa> thanks for the news :)
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