--- Log opened Fri Jan 31 00:00:37 2025
--- Day changed Fri Jan 31 2025
00:00 < Bradipo> So, "on rdomain number"...
00:00 < Bradipo> e.g. pass in on rdomain 2
00:00 < Bradipo> Where will that match?
00:01 < Bradipo> I have an interface em2 which has rdomain 2 on it.
00:01 < Bradipo> And how is that different from "pass in on em2" ?
00:02 < Bradipo> Are packets coming in on em2 automatically part of rdomain 2?
00:02 < Bradipo> Or do they have to be explicitly assigned in pf.conf ?
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00:03 < Bradipo> Also, "rtable number" says that it's only effective filtering inbound...
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00:18 < drotte> rdomain and rtable are used for routing domains and routing tables. pass in on rdomain 2 applies to any interface that belongs to rdomain 2, not just em2. if you later add another interface to rdomain 2, the rule still applies. pass in on em2 applies only to traffic on em2, regardless of the routing domain. yes, if an interface is assigned to rdomain 2 (ifconfig em2 rdomain 2), then packets
00:18 < drotte> arriving on em2 are automatically in rdomain 2. don???t need to assign the rdomain explicitly in pf.conf; it's inherited from the interface configuration. rtable number is only effective for inbound traffic. means pass in rtable 2 applies to packets that are received and belong to routing table 2 (not necessarily from a specific interface). rtable filtering doesn???t affect outbound traffic, while
00:18 < drotte> rdomain does (since an interface is tied to a routing domain and routes are chosen accordingly).
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00:50 < Bradipo> drotte: Thanks, I got it working.  Turned out to be much simpler than I thought.
00:51 < Bradipo> Not the concept, but the rule.
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01:06 < unpx> Or I should try read better sndiod man page or https://jcs.org/2020/11/18/openbsd_btaudio
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07:37 < unpx> I guess the only way to list audio devices is dissecting dmesg
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07:47 < quinq> Hi
07:47 < quinq> Anybody else having trouble contacting openbsd.amsterdam servers?
07:50 < surrounder> I'm talking from a vps there
07:50 < quinq> I get connection refused (SSH) on any server, over IPv4/6
07:51 < quinq> And can't access my VM at all
07:51 < IcePic> quinq: I have same
07:51 < surrounder> weird
07:51 < zelest> mine works just fine
07:51 < surrounder> works good for me
07:51 < quinq> (which incidently hosts my email system to Mischa :D)
07:51 < quinq> Ah, thanks IcePic 
07:51 < surrounder> quark: lol
07:51 < surrounder> mischa++
07:51 < zelest> quinq, I can poke him
07:51 < quinq> zelest, that would be great!
07:52 < IcePic> wait, I can now reach one, I remember not being able to yesterday, but I had other issues then (only v6 and no v4, which took me and wife a long time to even notice btw ;)
07:52 < IcePic> seems my vps's at obsd.ams were running, they have 7-15 days uptime (last time I upgraded)
07:53 < quinq> zelest, https://clbin.com/CahRA
07:54 < zelest> Aren't they listening on !22 ?
07:54 < quinq> lel
07:54 < quinq> Let-me check :D
07:54 < surrounder> think they turned on the frenchfilter :O
07:54 < surrounder> quinq: I'm also on server13 
07:54 < surrounder> howdy neighbour!
07:55 < IcePic> but I do recall being able to ping but not ssh yesterday, so there was something about ssh for me then
07:55 < quinq> ok, I'm able to connect to server12
07:56 < quinq> s/12/13/
07:56 < quinq> Howdy surrounder 
07:56 < zelest> :)
07:56 < quinq> Now let's see what's up with that VM
07:56 < IcePic> can't lose my ams vm, I have my experimental vscsi ramdisk code there...
07:56 < IcePic> (yes, I have backups and no, it doesn't work yet)
07:58 < quinq> I'm stupid
07:58 < quinq> I'm mixing hosts, sorry for the noise
07:59 < zelest> I need to break out of vmd to figure out what username I have again.. :D
07:59 < quinq> Is it not "zelest"?
08:00 < zelest> I thought so too
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08:01 < IcePic> ssh the_least@46.23.91.xx
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08:17 < CosmicDJ> server6 here :)
08:17 < zelest> server1 :)
08:19 < IcePic> server9 and one on the experimental one
08:21 < pardis> server3, and I can reach it just dandy
08:24 < zelest> I can reach mine, but I need my backup disk at home to find my old ssh-key I think :D
08:24 < zelest> or I'm locked out :D
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14:06 < mystified> looking to install openbsd on a 2 in 1 dell Intel Core i5-10210U Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac & intel i915 Gpu coffee lake, can you hare if 7.6 supports the wlan, there is no other network devices ?
14:06 < mystified> thanks
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14:15 < sibiria> mystified: you can search the "apropos" on man.ifconfig.se and man.openbsd.org
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14:24 < mystified> sibiria: thanks !
14:27 < IcePic> I did not find any hints of support, same for fbsd which seems to try to add it to ath10k or whatever the driver was there, but its not supported yet as far as I could tell
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14:29 < quinq> At a glance though, qwx – Qualcomm IEEE 802.11a/ac/ax/b/g/n wireless network device
14:29 < quinq> The qwx driver provides support for Qualcomm Technologies QCNFA765 802.11ax devices.
14:29 < quinq> Ah well, what IcePic said.
14:29 < mystified> lol
14:31 < mystified> ok. I'll look to replace pci wlan. what do you guys suggest ?
14:32 < mystified> in linux it's supported by ath10k
14:32 < quinq> I have little experience with wireless on OpenBSD, by my experience was a but on the low side
14:32 < mystified> thanks guys !!
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14:33 < mystified> I look to get an intel device.
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14:58 < passstab> I'm looking to move from my 256 gig windows drive to a larger one I can dual boot with OpenBSD. If I'm not noticing write speeds right now on windows, is there a reason to get a faster one for OpenBSD?
14:59 < passstab> I'm using the NVME drive that came with the recent thinkpad.
14:59 < IcePic> nvmes are damned fast most all of them. 
15:00 < IcePic> compared to the crap XT/IDE drives most grew up with, having 3 or 5GB/s top speed is probably not going to be noticeable
15:01 < IcePic> its super nice what current nvmes can do, but the leap from SAS/SATA-connected drives or ssds to nvme was so huge that I think the limitations now have moved elsewhere, like the network or the computers ability to create content fast enough for the drive to again become the limit
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15:05 < passstab> That's what I figured. Just seemed worth asking when I could triple most speeds for not much money.
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17:43 < crumpet> Hi i'm looking for the original files for the shirts for the 6.6 release and i'm wondering where / how i could find them.
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17:51 < uwharrie> this? https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/www/images/sixdotsix.gif?rev=1.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
17:52 < uwharrie> nope, guess not
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17:53 < crumpet> https://www.openbsd.org/images/tshirt-49-66-evon.jpg these 
17:53 < crumpet> just not on the shirts
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17:55 < uwharrie> the artwork copyright is generally assumed to be retained by the original artist, in this case https://www.instagram.com/natazilla/
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18:01 < crumpet> oh okk
18:01 < crumpet> thank youu
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19:18 < yang3> Hello, how do I fix this error? with "cvs update" maybe? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ce15400b/
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19:19 < pardis> have you tried the suggestion given in the output?
19:20 < yang3> not yet
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19:21 < yang3> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/238a2112/
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19:26 < yang3> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/77c0e0d7/
19:28 < yang3> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/4db5a577/
19:29 < yang3> ok it seems cvs update fixed it
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20:49 < chakuari> hi
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20:53 < chakuari> do you use nnn as file manager?
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20:55 < chakuari> I'm trying using nnn as file browser, and I see that there's a weird (?) behaviour in opening pdf files
20:56 < chakuari> if I open them with 'o' I can choose zathura and they open in that program
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20:57 < chakuari> but if I open a PDF with the right arrow key it's opened in a sort of "preview" browser, but it doesn't seem to be zathura so I can't use the TAB key to show the index
20:57 < chakuari> has anyone had the same behavior?
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20:58 < chakuari> or maybe I'm missing something?
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21:47 < ssm_> I read the qemu pkg-readme which says a network device is added by default for guests, however my openbsd-riscv64 guest only reports lo0, ure0, and pflog0, even when run as root
21:47 < ssm_> s/ure/enc/
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21:51 < Juliaaa> anyone knows this https://canvis.app/meshtastic-map ?
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22:38 < metala> Q: What is the standard terminal mux in OpenBSD? GNU screen?
22:39 < metala> Juliaaa: I know some stuff about Meshtastic.
22:40 < rueda> tmux(1), which is in base
22:44 < metala> Ah.. nice. Thnak you!
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23:00 < BasketCase> screen is in ports though if you prefer
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23:02 < metala> there is a package. I am more used to screen(1), but I don't mind tmux(1). I will try to stick to it when on OpenBSD.
23:07 < ssm_> metala: tmux is actually an openbsd project, if you didn't know :>
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23:11 < metala> I didn't. I guess I will get used to it. I had some complains (which I dont remember at the moment) about it, but I think screen has more issues.
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23:14 < mischief> historically there was the much simpler window that got deleted when tmux appeared, i believe https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-4.5/window.1
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23:26 < metala> I am thinking of trying to build Brave on OpenBSD. I am not sure how much of endevaour would that be. I expect a lot of pain.
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23:39 < unrznbl> any tips on why i get "status: no network" on bwi0 on macppc?
23:40 < unrznbl> ifconfig bwi0 scan shows me my ssid and i config for that, but no network i guess?
23:40 < unrznbl> ifconfig bwi0 debug didn't seem to give any clues...
23:42 < uwharrie> you'll need to be more verbose/provide more context if anyone's going to help. the exact commands, hostname.if, outputs, and possibly a dmesg would be useful
23:42 < unrznbl> yeah
23:43 < unrznbl> i didnt see anything bwi0 related in dmesg or var log messages... i did "ifconfig bwi0 nwid mynwid wpakey mykey"
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23:45 < unrznbl> does wpakey handle wpa2 psk?
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23:46 < unrznbl> i tried an /etc/hostname.bwi0 but deleted it in favor of doing it all by command
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23:48 < unrznbl> ah, "wpaprotos wpa2" seems to have changed things to "status: active"
23:48 < oldlaptop> <metala> I am thinking of trying to build Brave on OpenBSD. I am not sure how much of endevaour would that be. I expect a lot of pain.
23:48 < oldlaptop> Given that it's more or less chromium, a lot of the pain has been felt for you already. (There's no saving you from the build time.)
23:49 < unrznbl> uwhatrie: that fixed it! internet i have! thanks.
23:49 < oldlaptop> The more they've done to make openbsd's extensive collection of patches (to make chromium run on an OS the chromium upstream explicitly does not give any damns about) not apply, the more of that pain you'll have to re-feel.
23:50 < uwharrie> unrznbl: quack quack
23:51  * oldlaptop hasn't had any need to explicitly set wpaprotos on 802.11 before
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23:51 < oldlaptop> but I don't think I've tried with anything as old and crusty as bwi(4)
23:53 < unrznbl> powerbook g4, circa 2004/2005 :) loving it.
23:54 < uwharrie> no battery swelling? congrats
23:54 < unrznbl> indeed. thanks for the rubber duck uwharrie
23:55 < unrznbl> i know, right! actually, the battery doesnt work at all. it is an aftermarket battery and i am considering just removing the 18650s or putting new ones in.
23:56 < metala> oldlaptop: thanks, but degoogled chromium is something I really need, if I want to make OpenBSD my main OS. Firefox is no longer an option for me, it just doesn't have good sandboxing, from what I have been told.
23:56 < oldlaptop> "swollen steel-cased cell" is one of those very concerning phrases
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23:57 < oldlaptop> metala: What don't you like about firefox's sandboxing?
23:57 < oldlaptop> (There's some "ungoogled-chromium" or something in ports. Not sure what's supposed to make it different.)
23:58 < metala> openlaptop: AFAIR, single process for all tabs, there were a few other things. I will check the ungoogled-chromium and it's sources.
23:58 < metala> oldlaptop*
23:58 < oldlaptop> firefox hasn't been single-process for, what, fifteen years?
23:59 < oldlaptop> (it'll put different tabs on the *same* process, as will chromium)
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