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00:48 < falsifian> sibiria: You could at least guess how much the filesystem got used by seeing how many blocks are still zero. Maybe if you were clever you could guess at whether the fs has a few big files or one little files, based on how the fs decides where to put data. I read an article about doing something like that a long time ago, but haven't been able to find it.
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00:51 < thrig> data recovery people are pretty expensive but governments tend to have money for that cost
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12:01 < mischief> got my milk-v megrez
12:02 < mischief> https://imgur.com/gallery/milk-v-megrez-1sjrbqX
12:02 < mischief> runs linux okay. i wonder how i can get started bringing up openbsd on it
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14:35 < finkfox> hi
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14:38 < finkfox> using wireless Intel AC 7265 with "iwm" firmware/driver, I'm experiencing wifi connection problems. using "iwconfig iwm0 debug" I see the protcol failing with something like "Feb 11 12:31:51 laptop /bsd: iwm0: association timed out for 50:e6:36:ce:xx:xx" Any idea how to fix or further debug this?
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14:43 < Shirkdog> I am starting to think Intel card firmware has some type of problem...I have had bad issues with an Intel AC 8020 on FreeBSD. 
14:45 < Shirkdog> but on my OpenBSD laptop, the iwm0 works fine... Intel AC 7265 on 7.6-CURRENT
14:46 < Shirkdog> sorry the other one is Intel AC 8260...fun with the iwlwifi driver
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16:40 < sibiria> only few wifi drivers in openbsd support it
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19:11 < ssm_> guessing I need to copy the u-boot spl and replace everything else?
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20:41 < vortexx> https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/you-dont-link-all-of-libc new tedu
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20:49 < oldlaptop> You'd have hoped those 'partisans of other languages' who somehow know enough to complain about linking to libc also know how linking to libc works
20:50 < oldlaptop> Though possibly they're not thinking of dynamic linking at all, because the glibc trauma runs so deep?
20:51 < oldlaptop> or rather not thinking of static linking, and instead dynamic linking
20:51 < oldlaptop> (where the rule really is a rule, not a suggestion)
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20:59 < mischief> i wonder what this is in response to
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21:03  * oldlaptop generally assumes one of the mastodons is bellowing at somebody somewhere
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21:08 < thrig> buffalo buffalo buffalo
21:10 < vortexx> mischief: I think a few people must have annoyed tedu enough that he decided to post
21:10 < vortexx> flak isn't a regular blog
21:10 < vortexx> or why I use rss for it
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21:10 < vortexx> (and I barely understand most of his posts)
21:15 < mischief> i get the sense he is replying to something in particular but not sure what it is
21:16 < mischief> maybe cosmo libc, or the crab people
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21:18 < viq|w> How much of a bad idea would be sticking sysupgrade -s (possibly with some thin wrapper) into cron on a couple of my systems?
21:19 < viq|w> I'm tired of salt_minion not starting, thus not being able to do it that way
21:20 < uwharrie> depends on how much risk you can accept/continuous uptime you need
21:22 < viq|w> Personal stuff (mostly running as VMs on a dedicated server I rent), so while I may be sad/annoyed when stuff breaks, that's about the extent of "damage"
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21:35 < pardis> sysupgrade will not upgrade packages for you, so that may break packages from time to time
21:35 < pardis> also, there are sometimes config changes required per https://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html, so it may also break base daemons
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21:40 < phy1729> It shouldn't break packages often since the old libs won't be removed
21:41 < phy1729> I don't have the stomach for automatic upgrades like that though
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21:42 < viq|w> I've added, per man page, the snippet to /upgrade.site that will upgrade packages during boot after upgrade
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21:44 < viq|w> And I have current.html in my rss reader, so while not immediately, I will notice changes there. Sysmerge, yeah, I need to think how to do that... Though sysmerge -b added to /upgrade.site should help
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21:51 < mischief> => bootefi ${kernel_addr_r} ${fdt_addr_r}
21:51 < mischief> Booting /efi\boot\bootriscv64.efi
21:51 < mischief> disks: sd0* sd1
21:51 < mischief> >> OpenBSD/riscv64 BOOTRISCV64 1.7
21:51 < mischief> boot>
21:51 < mischief> that's a start
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21:58 < pardis> viq|w: sysmerge is already run automatically on sysupgrade
21:58 < pardis> you only need to handle the case where there are changes that must be manually merged
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21:59 < pardis> and even with pkg_add -u, you can still break packages in the case where a new base system has been built, but your mirror still has old packages
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22:00 < mischief> not very surprising, but there's pretty much no devices supported. wonder if tweaking the device tree would change that. https://0x0.st/8Z3u.txt
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22:03 < viq|w> pardis: with updating often enough, i don't think there will be breakage, as system should still have the old libraries?
22:04 < pardis> until you have a kernel ABI break
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22:05 < pardis> that doesn't happen super often, but it's bound to happen eventually
22:08 < viq|w> How far do packages lag behind such a snapshot, usually?
22:09 < pardis> depends on your architecture, I think they're usually built daily for amd64
22:09 < viq|w> Hm, my vague memory of /boot.old does not show it existing on the system I looked at, so I guess for a while things installed from packages might not work then
22:09 < pardis> if you're on an oddball arch it could be weeks
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22:09 < viq|w> Yeah, amd64 here
22:10 < viq|w> hmm, makes me tempted to shove pkg_add -Dsnap -u and checkrestart into daily.local
22:15 < uwharrie> if you don't care that there are chances it'll fail in one way or another, nothing we say is going to stop you. but be prepared for "when you break it, you get to keep the pieces"
22:18 < viq|w> I get it can break. I'm trying to figure out how often / how badly. "Every few months I'll need to go update packages manually and restart services" I can live with. "Every few weeks you may lose filesystem", eh, I'd rather not.
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22:32 < pardis> trashing the filesystem is exceedingly unlikely
22:32 < pardis> OpenBSD's filesystem has undergone only fairly small changes since 1982
22:33 < pardis> the most substantial change of which has recently been undone
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22:35 < viq|w> I'm giving that as an example of a change with quite extreme level of consequences/data loss. Are other scenarios likely for data loss or otherwise being hard to repair?
22:35 < pardis> no, but you might end up in a scenario where you're waiting for the next package build for a couple of days before you can restore service
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22:36 < pardis> of course nobody can guarantee there won't be data loss, but I can't think of any remotely likely way it could happen due to this
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22:37 < viq|w> I think I can wait a couple of days, or build the package myself
22:38 < viq|w> Thank you.
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23:05 < Bradipo> pardis: Is that softdeps that was "undone"?
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23:18 < pardis> yes
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