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01:15 < brutser> anyone here familiar with installerconfig, i have a hard time getting it to work :/
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14:14 < vortexx> sibiria: I went looking through my logs, I found no conversation from lavaball about FDE not being best practice, could you give the gist of it please?
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14:23 < sibiria> vortexx: it was in a private discussion. when using the crypto discipline, the metadata and label headers are still unencrypted. bioctl will respond differently depending on the password just being wrong or the metadata can't be parsed, revealing that it is in fact a crypto raid label
14:26 < sibiria> the case is that doesn't provide plausible deniability, not so much whether it's "best practice" or not
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14:32 < Lucas_> viq|w: a bunch of my servers do have 'sysupgrade -s' weekly
14:32 < Lucas_> it works
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14:33 < Lucas_> it's not a bad idea at all
14:33 < Lucas_> but as everybody said, there is a small change of you running into new issues
14:33 < IcePic> I have good experience of "sysupgrade -s" often
14:34 < sibiria> if phy1729 or whoever it was hadn't abused moderator privileges and going against advised libera policy on de-escalation, we could've had an open discussion with lavaball on the FDE topic
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14:34 < Lucas_> didn't have issues with 'sysupgrade -s' really
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14:34 < Lucas_> but the errata for an errata has my name on it :D
14:34 < Lucas_> so yes, shit can and will go down
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14:36 < sibiria> i can't recall more than a week or two at most passing by without someone here asking "did latest snapshot break your machine too or is it just me?" :)
14:37 < Lucas_> tbh idk how that happens
14:38 < Lucas_> I've been running -current since 2017 and I update weekly. I think that only twice I ran into breakage.
14:38 < vortexx> sibiria: ok thanks a lot!
14:39 < vortexx> symetrical 10Gbps FTTH at my home by the end of March, yay!
14:39 < renaud> breakage happens, but it's really rare
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14:39 < IcePic> vortexx: expensive?
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14:40 < renaud> FTTH not available to my home this year (got a call 2 hours ago from my ISP)
14:40 < sibiria> "mortgage defaulted, but at least the downloads are blazing"
14:40 < vortexx> IcePic: 69CHF/month + 20CHF/month for a fixed IPv4 address and fixed IPv6 range
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14:41 < renaud> 69CHF for fixed ipv4 and 20 more for ipv6?
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14:41 < renaud> or 69CHF for the line + 20 for fixed ipv4/6?
14:42 < vortexx> some tv channels thrown in via a .m3u / .xspf 
14:42 < vortexx> 69CHF for the line, fixed IPv4 + IPv6 is 20CHF extra
14:42 < renaud> vortexx: try zattoo for TV
14:43 < vortexx> renaud: yeah I know, but I don't watch TV. When $relatives come to visit I'll activate that. Zattoo being a sister company to the ISP, it's an extra 10-15CHF for it
14:44 < vortexx> I need to get an apple tv 3 so I can run the app
14:44 < vortexx> plenty of those secondhand
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14:45 < sibiria> have you tested if you can reach the full 10gbit throughput on openbsd?
14:45 < IcePic> with one of the decent eth cards it should be doable
14:46 < sibiria> today on 7.6, at least, yeah
14:46 < sibiria> 3-4 years ago, not a snowball's chance in hell
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14:47 < sibiria> 3-4 years ago, not a snowball's chance in hell
14:47 < sibiria> oops, wrong key
14:47 < vortexx> sibiria: I doubt I will be, to begin with I'll still be using my APU6 with a fiber bridge device, so I'll go from VDSL (with same ISP) at 100/32 to 400/400 I reckon. Have to build a new router after that, maybe odroid with a 10GBps card
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14:47 < sibiria> mhm. yeah it's not happening with the APU
14:48 < vortexx> one consideration is noise, so whatever I built needs to be as quiet as possible
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14:50 < vortexx> (the fiber socket will be in the lounge, and I already have my homelab microserver in there)
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14:53 < vortexx> I'm not super bothered about pushing the max 10Gbps but if you've got suggestions on gear for this I'm all ears
14:54 < vortexx> I think my laptop's thunderbolt3 port can be used to test but I need a 10Gbps adapter for it
14:54 < tobiasu> can the rest of your network keep up?
14:55 < viq|w> Lucas_: good to know, thank you. At what time did you stick it in, compared to daily/weekly/monthly cron jobs?
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14:57 < vortexx> tobiasu: no. I'm planning to boost it to 2.5Gbps but not much will be able to max that out
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15:00 < Lucas_> viq|w: Friday 21:00 localtime, which is a time where I'm awake and probably able to do things if something break
15:00 < vortexx> I could remove the HBA card in the server and stick a 10Gbps card in there, once I move all the storage to SSD, but I'm not super convinced that's a great idea. I'm using LAGG on 2x1Gbps to keep transfer speeds up on that
15:03 < tobiasu> personally I wouldn't bother, there are probably very few legitimate downloads that reach 10gbit
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15:03 < tobiasu> now i'm sure i could find something i would want to upload at 10gbit, but probably not from my home with the police showing up at 4:00
15:03 < vortexx> true, but I run a nextcloud service for friends from the homelab and any boost in speed would be appreciated
15:04 < vortexx> I'll be happy if I'm pushing over 1Gig+
15:04 < Lucas_> or if you have more than one people streaming 4k from your connection
15:05 < Lucas_> 10Gb isn't about having a single link at that speed, but saturating many other smaller links
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15:13 < sibiria> 4k stuff is typically some 10-15 mbit/s when provider knows what they're doing
15:15 < vortexx> yeah streaming 4k stuff via minidlna on the APU doesn't use that much bandwidth I found
15:15 < vortexx> Lucas_: yes of course, 10Gb is going back to the good old days of cable modems and shared bandwidth
15:15 < vortexx> but being in a village I wonder how many people are upgrading, we got connected end of November
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15:47 < sibiria> vortexx: regarding HW capable of pushing 10 Gbit/s on openbsd, my odroid h3 with a measly low-power celeron and rge(4) NICs can saturate 2.5 Gbit/s without being encumbered
15:48 < sibiria> a lot of potential margin since the performance of the various network drivers differ a lot
15:48 < sibiria> but CPU-wise it might be a useful indication
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15:49 < sibiria> that would be Celeron N5105
15:52 < vortexx> thanks sibiria !
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15:53 < tommyrot> if only they spent a little time on a proper case
15:54 < tommyrot> instead of those shoddy pcb ones
15:54 < sibiria> hardkernel's own cases are... interesting. i did find a couple of third parties offering some alternatives
15:54 < thrig> shoddy embiggens the profit margins
15:54 < sibiria> i get the point of their cases. and they do get the job done after all
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15:59 < sibiria> i think KKSB was one of the brands i found offering a metal case for the odroids
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16:00 < fvincenzo> I have one, they look like bricks and are a bit sharp, so if you get one be careful :)
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16:09 < thrig> all cases demand blood
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16:13 < fvincenzo> good point!
16:14 < fvincenzo> kind of a ritual
16:16 < tommyrot> i don't miss those times
16:16 < tommyrot> or maybe i just don't buy shitty cases anymore
16:17 < BasketCase> there are cases without internal sharp edges?  why the hell wasn't I informed!
16:17 < tommyrot> recently i openened an old pc of mine before bringing it to the recycle center and there was a dried drop of blood on the motherboard :)
16:18 < fvincenzo> the only decent one I found is the ArgonOne but it is rpi only
16:18 < fvincenzo> @tommyrot you are kinda of a war hero :D
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17:29 < vortexx> sibiria: does the N5105 need much cooling? 12cm enough to keep it going quietly enough?
17:29 < vortexx> s/12cm/12cm fan
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17:36 < mischief> vortexx: looks like 10W tdp, could probably run fanless with an appropriate heatsink
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17:50 < sibiria> vortexx: the H3 can run fine without a fan. i have a 92mm fan on my case that exhausts outwards (instead of blowing onto the sink) in order to ventilate the case. i don't think i've seen the cpu temp go beyond 50°C during load
17:51 < sibiria> and i recommend running obsdfreqd to keep it as cool as possible even if it has such a low TDP
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17:53 < WhyNotHugo> What works on the M1 and M2 apple silicon devices? does WiFi work? Where can I find more info on this? the arm64 page only specifies the supported CPUs.
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18:00 < sibiria> vortexx: 40°C* i mean
18:01 < sibiria> it idles at 25°C or so. goes up to 35° after 5 minutes of full load... thereabouts
18:02 < mischief> my h2+ says 46 c, but i've got no fan or underclocking.
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18:09 < vortexx> sibiria: yeah that'd work fine for me, the APU doesn't go over 60°C even in the height of summer with obsdfreqd
18:09 < vortexx> great that'll be the best solution. Not sure when I'll buy it, probably have to buy pieces here and there, lots of things need financing in the coming months
18:10 < tommyrot> is the temperature reading on apu even correct?
18:10 < tommyrot> i always wondered
18:10 < tommyrot> seems very high
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19:31 < vortexx> tommyrot: hw.sensors.km0.temp0=63.38 degC
19:32 < vortexx> it seems alright
19:32 < vortexx> (this box lives vertically)
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19:32 < vortexx> sorry I'm not responding immediately, doing 50x at once today
19:33 < tommyrot> vertically is better for cooling afaik
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19:33 < tommyrot> still, the numbers seem too high for a 7W box in a 17C closet (i have it in)
19:33 < tommyrot> doing nothing
19:34 < tommyrot> i guess i need one of those infrared sensors and point it at the thing to confirm
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19:58 < tvtoon> 7W at 60 degree? You got problems or you got Intel, that is more problems...
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20:32 < Bradipo> Is there a stopwatch/chronograph in base?  Either in X or terminal?
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20:34 < Bradipo> I would settle for one in ports/packagse.
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20:35 < Bradipo> Analog chronograph would be... quaint, and fun.
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20:53 < seninha> Bradipo, `time read`
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21:01 < ivdsangen> i wrote a python ncurses program to count down from set time and i put it on github, but i guess that is different. and its digital not analog, i remember i could not find suitable candidates for such a task
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21:10 < Bradipo> seninha: Well, I was looking for something more than just a snapshot.
21:12 < Bradipo> Something like xclock -chrono
21:12 < Bradipo> That would be nice.
21:12 < Bradipo> And instead of displaying current time, it starts a chronograph.
21:12 < Bradipo> I might have to use this: https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/A+little+stopwatch
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21:14 < Bradipo> I was hoping for analog, but that will suffice.
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21:17 < uwharrie> t=30;while [ "$t" -ge 0 ];do printf '\r%d' $t;t=$((t-1));sleep 1;done
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21:23 < Bradipo> uwharrie: Yes, I thought of doing a simple CLI chronograph using printf and other control characters...
21:23 < Bradipo> I've made terminal spinners and other fun things, but I was hoping to avoid making yet another thing. :-)
21:25 < ivdsangen> why, not, it's another fun thing ;)
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21:26 < Bradipo> So instead of your simple printf, I could do: printf '\033c'; banner $t
21:26 < Bradipo> Would be nice to "center" it, but this works.
21:26 < Bradipo> Would be fun to make an analog clock in ascii art mode.
21:28 < uwharrie> I vaguely recall there being one in demos for the (n)?curses source 
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23:38 < mischief> seems nobody has advice about building cross compilers xD
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23:44 < tvtoon> depends on what you need, if your deal is just to build a cross-system as base, nothing to be seen
23:48 < mischief> tvtoon: where is it documented?
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