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00:21 < WhyNotHugo> acme-client complains that a key is group-readable, but I made it group readable so that the service (_mosquitto) can read it
00:21 < WhyNotHugo> Should I chown it to _mosquitto:_mosquitto instead of root:_mosquitto?
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00:25 < thrig> other methods are to have root read the key, then drop privs; or, a copy of the key could be made for other things
00:25 < WhyNotHugo> reading the key before dropping priv is the logical thing, but this service doesn't do that 
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19:37 < Bradipo> There are a number of SSL related tools in ports, like nssl, stunnel, and maybe others.
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19:38 < Bradipo> I'm looking for one that can be used to take an open filedescriptor and begin a TLS session on it.
19:39 < pardis> socat?
19:39 < Bradipo> Hmm, let me look.
19:40 < pardis> I'm not sure if it can, but the manpage hints at it (""Address specifications starting with a number are assumed to be FD (raw file descriptor) addresses)
19:40 < Bradipo> I had forgotten about socat.
19:41 < Bradipo> Yeah, so it mentions FD (raw file descriptor).
19:43 < Bradipo> EXEC: might be what I'm after.
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19:43 < Bradipo> Or FD:
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19:47 < Bradipo> Hmm, maybe not.
19:48 < sibiria> acme.sh (the TLS cert tool) uses socat for this exact purpose. it's a "big dig" but you might find a usable example in there for how they use the tool
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19:49 < Bradipo> Not acme-client in base?
19:49 < sibiria> i don't know if acme-client also uses socat
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19:49 < Bradipo> Probably not, I was just clarifying if acme-client was related to acme.sh.
19:50 < Bradipo> Is acme.sh part of a package?
19:50 < pardis> acme-client can't use socat, socat isn't in base
19:50 < Bradipo> Like acme-tiny?
19:50 < sibiria> no, acme.sh is just a shell script. it's a separate product. acme.sh is the actual website
19:51 < Bradipo> Ahh, ok.
19:51 < sibiria> you can download it from there or off of their github repo
19:51 < Bradipo> Yeah, I'll download it.
19:51 < Bradipo> I didn't know it was an actual website.
19:52 < Bradipo> Ok, so it looks like socat in acme.sh is being used to LISTEN...
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19:53 < Bradipo> I already have an fd that is in an ESTABLISHED state.
19:53 < Bradipo> e.g. as in inetd
19:54 < Bradipo> socat has STDIO as an option... so it seems like it should be able to utilize that for SSL, but maybe not.
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20:06 < pardis> the ucspi-tools package (see https://github.com/younix/ucspi) might also be helpful
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20:07 < pardis> they're intended to be used together in a chain, so you would do something like 'tlsclient [options] tlsc [options] http [options]' and each program execs the next one
20:07 < pardis> so perhaps you could exec tlsc/tlss with the appropriate fd on stdin/stdout
20:07 < Bradipo> Is that the same as ucspi-ssl from fehecom.de?
20:08 < pardis> I have no idea
20:08 < Bradipo> Let me check.
20:09 < Bradipo> ucspi-tools even has pledge().
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20:34 < Bradipo> Is there a way to force the installation of a package even if it thinks there are unmet dependencies?
20:34 < Bradipo> I thought perhaps -D could do this, but I'm missing something.
20:35 < Bradipo> ucspi-tools wants to install uscpi-tcp, but I already have a locally installed version that I don't want it to overwrite.
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20:39 < Bradipo> Or would I have to make a fake package that is empty and install that... similar to the "equivalent" package in Debian.
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20:43 < Bradipo> I guess I could build my own port of ucspi-tools and take out the dependency on ucspi-tcp...
20:43 < Guest7095> the least broken thing to do would be editing the port itself
20:43 < Bradipo> Yep, that's what I just determined to do.
20:45 < Guest7095> that or just continue installing things manually, depending on how disposable the machine is
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20:46 < Bradipo> I have no problem installing manually.
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20:54 < Guest7095> the only issue with manual installs is surviving a sysupgrade, at least leave yourself some scripts to reconstruct this (and call in upgrade.site(5)?)
20:54 < Bradipo> Yeah, I don't use sysupgrade.
20:54 < Bradipo> Most of what I install is from packages.
20:56 < Bradipo> I just edited the Makefile for ucspi-tools and commented out the RUN_DEPENDS.
20:56 < Bradipo> I'm not sure why that actually exists... it's possible to run them independently.
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20:57 < Guest7095> i'd mumble something about that but i probably have at least one 7.0 machine in the wild..
20:58 < Bradipo> Understood.
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21:01 < Bradipo> In a perfect world, everything is always running the latest.
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22:41 < fanbass> tell me please, terminal browser for openbsd, checked community
22:42 < anelli> fanbass: links2 and w3m
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22:44 < pardis> chromium is terminal in a rather different sense
22:45 < anelli> hehe 
22:46 < anelli> also links1 if u don't need to display images and stuff via 'links -g'
22:46 < anelli> (x11 so not terminal but i still like it :3)
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22:48 < fanbass> anelli, links2 is default browser for openbsd or it need to install?
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22:49 < pardis> there is no default browser
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22:51 < anelli> fanbass: this aint 9front :b no defaults. mothra is nice on 9 tho
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22:52 < anelli> hope ladybug catches up but "All the code is hosted on GitHub. Clone it, build it, and join our Discord if you want to collaborate on it! We're looking forward to seeing you there."
22:52 < anelli> guess i go harass them to use irc :b
22:52 < anelli>  /j
22:52 < anelli> s/ladybug/ladybird xD
22:54 < oldlaptop> lynx *was* in base, years ago now
22:54 < oldlaptop> Someone whined on misc@ that finger support was turned off, and the end result was that it got exiled to ports.
22:55 < fanbass> I do not find links2 in pkg. Do it need to be installed from the ports?
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22:55 < anelli> oh rip
22:56 < oldlaptop> You only ever "need" to "install from the ports" when there are legal issues preventing redistribution of prebuild packages.
22:56 < oldlaptop> There is no port or package named "links2".
22:56 < anelli> yeah lynx opens openbsd.org by default iirc
22:57 < oldlaptop> (There's a "links" and a "links+" and an "elinks". I'll freely admit to not knowing (or caring) what the relationship between all these things is, and I'd strongly suggest using lynx or w3m instead.)
22:57 < anelli> sry didn't name it right
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22:58 < oldlaptop> Is links+ the same thing as "links2"?
22:58 < anelli> yeah
22:58 < oldlaptop> I suppose its version number does start with a 2, so that's a hint.
22:59 < anelli> links+ or links2 is links but with graphics mode and pics. elinks looks unrelated
23:01 < oldlaptop> I recall elinks in particular has a history of CVEs and, rounding down, no users - kind of concerning.
23:01 < oldlaptop> I had thought the port got removed for that reason, but apparently not.
23:02 < oldlaptop> Ah. It *did* get removed for having security problems, and no upstream, and then it got an upstream. https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=171580910216120&w=2
23:04 < oldlaptop> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=148914329520562&w=2
23:04 < anelli> oo cool. idk anyone who uses it xD
23:08 < fanbass> nice, thank you
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