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03:01 < anelli> hi friends. do i need to recompile binaries after each snapshot upgrade or only when it fails to run? i think there're breaking abi changes on upgrades but not sure if it's big enough to make it impossible to reuse a binary. xy: compiling a program not in ports/pkgs. thx
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03:04 < mischief> try it and see
03:06 < anelli> alr will do thx. i just don't know much about abis
03:07 < byteskeptical> until it breaks unless you want to follow the abi changes that closely. How often or when that is will vary.
03:08 < anelli> makes sense. thx
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03:45 < oldlaptop> anelli: Note that (normally) old versions of things like libc will stay where they are after a snapshot upgrade (and openbsd's libc has major version bumps very frequently). Old binaries will use those old versions, and break if and when you clean (sysclean?) them up.
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04:17 < ssm_> anelli: I just got comfortable building software in ports. obviously depends on how fast your cpu is && how patient you are || your electrical bill && planet burning
04:18 < ssm_> might as well make use of it and write your own ports or hack on existing ports
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04:20 < ssm_> you could also grab a snapshot {base,comp,man,whatever}*.tgz tarball and unpack it in place, but that's not going to fix your kernel being out of date until you reboot
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04:29 < ssm_> does installurl(5) support rsync mirrors?
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04:34 < pardis> it's up to whatever program is using installurl(5), but it looks like neither sysupgrade(8) nor pkg_add(1) does
04:34 < pardis> per the man page for pkg_add(1) and the source (it's just a shell script you can read) for sysupgrade(8)
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08:18 < debugbsd> hi!
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08:23 < ssm_> using `cvs status` on a valid cvs file results in a double free in libssh on the latest snapshot; can anyone reproduce?
08:24 < ssm_> x86_64
08:24 < ssm_> s/cvs file/cvs managed file/
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08:30 < ssm_> If so, don't wait for me to report it because I have to catch some Zs
08:34 < debugbsd> Hi again!
08:35 < debugbsd> This is my first time here in the channel, so, please, bear in mind with me
08:36 < debugbsd> the point is, I'm trying to use OpenBSD in an older computer because I don't want to use Fedora Core (which is the OS I'm using at work)
08:37 < debugbsd> And everything works perfect (maybe the web surfing is painfully slow and the graphics are slow too, but that's something I know is going to happen because the GPU is an Nvidia GTX 960m)
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08:39 < debugbsd> But due to my work I need to use some applications which just works for Linux and one of them is Digital Digilen Waveforms. So my question is if there is anyway to install it on OpenBSD?
08:39 < debugbsd> For Digital Digilent Waverforms, there is no source code, just binary distributions in the web page
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08:40 < debugbsd> If there is no way to use it, do you know any alternative I can use with this hardware?
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08:43 < ivdsangen> that will probably not run on openbsd, there is the option of using qemu with a linux on openbsd, assuming it is a graphical application, but on older hardware that might be just too slow
08:44 < debugbsd> yeah, indeed I tried and it's painfully slow 
08:45 < debugbsd> I tried to look for some open source alterative but Ihaven't found any
08:45 < debugbsd> that's why I asked here because maybe someone dealt with this in the past
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08:45 < ivdsangen> yeah, im not sure if there are alternatives
08:45 < debugbsd> thank you so much anyway
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11:57 < anelli> thx oldlaptop & ssm_ for the insight. i think i'll recompile for now till i get a better understanding of libc
11:58 < anelli> it's just fjordlauncher for minecroft. ill see if i cam make a port if it works. but i remember the java sdl bindings refusing support to openbsd so i think things wont be too smooth hehe
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12:08 < anelli> i forgot there're like 5 ports for other launchers lol. lemme try em too
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17:52 < passstab> I'm pretty sure I didn't include the source in my base install. I've since moved to current. What is the best way remedy that?
17:53 < pardis> download the source?
17:54 < passstab> well, I want it to go to the right place automatically as if I had put it in at first.
17:55 < passstab> I think that mistake prevents me from properly filing a kernal crash.
17:56 < anelli> passstab: here https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html
17:56 < anelli> it's usually a matter of populating /usr/src, /usr/ports, /usr/xenocara, and then updating them via cvs
17:57 < pardis> there is no automatic source installation, in the installer or anywhere else
17:57 < passstab> I mean automatic download, not installation.
17:57 < passstab> if that makes sense
17:58 < pardis> the automation is in ftp(1)
17:58 < pardis> you manually provide the URL
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17:59 < pardis> and this is unlikely to help you with filing a kernel crash report unless you can reproduce it on a kernel you built yourself from the source you obtain
18:01 < passstab> I assumed that sysupgrade would download source for the snapshot.
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18:03 < passstab> So unless I'm compiling the kernal myself, I shouldn't bother reporting anything? https://www.openbsd.org/ddb.html suggests that is pretty important.
18:03 < pardis> that's why I said this <pardis> there is no automatic source installation, in the installer or anywhere else
18:04 < passstab> ok
18:04 < pardis> I don't see anything on that page which suggests you shouldn't report anything
18:04 < pardis> it just says it's helpful if you can gather more information
18:05 < passstab> ok, I'll file as best I can.
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18:06 < passstab> Also, if this isn't one, is there any reason I should worry about downloading source?
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18:08 < anelli> passstab: nah. only if you wanna study it or hack on it. as for ports it might be useful if you can't get the pkg otherwise via pkg_add, or if u wanna customize build options
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18:29 < ssm_> tb@ found the ssh bug. now I don't have to do anything! hooray! https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=174092131421252&w=2
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18:32 < passstab> The other reason my report might be useless is that I didn't do ps.
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18:43 < passstab> Does anyone know why ever since I turned off hyperthreading in bios my fans are always loud?
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18:50 < anelli> passstab: it shouldn't be the reason. did u change anything else? also uhhhh when u reset settings to how they were do the fans get quiet again?
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18:57 < passstab> anelli no, I'm pretty sure I didn't change anything else.
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18:57 < passstab> The fans start before I even get to boot selection.
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19:34 < WilliamWallace> Hello, I installed OpenBSD on my T470, and have been able to figure out most things without much issue, but when I ran fw_update to install drivers for my intel wifi card, I rebooted and now the internal keyboard isn't working
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19:34 < WilliamWallace> I plugged in a USB keyboard and it works just fine
19:35 < leonixyz> Can anyone explain what do the examples in rport(4) mean? I'm unable to find any explanation. It seems ifconfig(8) is missing a new section. I'm puzzled specifically by this synthax: `ifconfig rport0 inet 192.168.0.0/32 192.168.0.1`
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19:43 < phy1729> That's at the very top of ifconfig: address_family address dest_address
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20:39 < ssm_> I'm a baby at networking, but it looks like it's creating a sort of 2-way connection between rport0 and 1 that pushes any connection in 192.168.0.{0,1}/32 into 192.168.0.{0,1}, letting you send data from one rdomain to another
20:41 < tvtoon> I think you mean broadcasting
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20:44 < WilliamWallace> could the firmware update have screwed up the keyboard
20:44 < WilliamWallace> ?
20:45 < sibiria> no
20:46 < sibiria> did you confirm it still actually works, by typing on the boot prompt or entering the BIOS/EFI?
20:46 < tvtoon> depends on what you got, if your USB is working then probably not
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20:47 < WilliamWallace> sibiria, I didn't yet, let me try that now
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20:47 < WilliamWallace> I thought of it and didn't get around to it yet
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20:54 < WilliamWallace> sibiria, so, keyboard works at boot, and then works for me to type in my passphrase, so OpenBSD recognizes it, XOrg is the issue apparently
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20:56 < sibiria> so if you hop over to another console, once X/xenodm is running, does it work there too?
20:57 < sibiria> alt+shift+1234 or whatever the keyboard combo is
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21:27 < leonixyz> To me, the most confusing thing with the rport example is the use of the 192.168.0.0 address. I'd had no problems if the examples used 192.168.0.1 and .2, but the .0, and especially the .0/32 is really confusing
21:28 < sibiria> .0 isn't a reserved special address or anything. it depends entirely on the subnet. but .0/32 is a bit curious
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21:31 < thrig> .0 used to be decades ago the broadcast address
21:31 < sibiria> in them olde days before we went class-less
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21:46 < thrig> 2BSD, so a bit before CIDR
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23:55 < vortexx> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh it's -Dsnap time
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