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14:08 < polarian> So a friend of mine was talking about IRC bouncers, and they currently using pounce, upon reading it was written to target OpenBSD I thought that sounds really cool, so I looked through the source and I found this... https://git.causal.agency/pounce/tree/LICENSE
14:08 < polarian> OpenBSD targetted code, licenced under GPLv3
14:09 < polarian> now I believe the dev is a gentoo dev, so it makes sense their love of GPL but this is to target a BSD system, it should be BSD licenced >:(
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14:11 < sibiria> no way no how it's gonna end up in the base system now <o>
14:12 < pardis> new code in OpenBSD isn't even BSD licensed
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14:14 < polarian> pardis: ISC (OpenBSD version) which is just a more modern version of the BSD licence 
14:14 < polarian> uses the Berne convention, much cleaner 
14:14 < polarian> it effectively does the same thing 
14:15 < renaud> pardis: new code inside OpenBSD not BSD licensed? Do you have an example?
14:15 < polarian> sibiria: it wouldn't anyways, but GPL code is evil
14:15 < polarian> renaud: https://www.openbsd.org/policy.html
14:15 < sibiria> polarian: i personally agree
14:15 < renaud> polarian: you are spoeaking like Steve Balmers
14:15 < polarian> > " The ISC copyright is functionally equivalent to a two-term BSD copyright with language removed that is made unnecessary by the Berne convention. This is the preferred license for new code incorporated into OpenBSD. A sample license is available in the file /usr/share/misc/license.template."
14:16 < sibiria> GPL is evil in how it takes choice away from the developer
14:16 < polarian> renaud: Unfortunately his take on GPL was correct
14:16 < sibiria> it is also unidirectional
14:16 < polarian> GPL is a virus, and it infects everything 
14:16 < polarian> its basically carpet bombing, it will destroy both free and nonfree code 
14:16 < sibiria> ties developers' hands behinds their backs in the name of the "greater good"
14:16 < sibiria> behind*
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14:17 < sibiria> it thinks only about the end-users. no thought given to the developers who write the actual code that should deliver "freedom" to the end-users 
14:18 < sibiria> the size of the GPL ironically says it all. endless legal crapazola, a million "except if..." "but only if..." "but not if..."
14:19 < sibiria> it runs counter-course to freedom
14:19 < anelli> no one is reading allat yeah xD
14:19 < pardis> renaud: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/kern/kern_pledge.c?rev=1.323&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
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14:20 < polarian> sibiria: I do not think it is a surprise that GNU/FSF also hate money too, to them developers should work for free, with no reward on open source software, and then be slapped by copyright and ONLY ensure the end user is free
14:20 < renaud> I would be more concerned about crappy code requiring docker or development made for linux and only guaranteed to run in the next 2 months
14:21 < polarian> And somehow GNU does better than BSD 
14:21 < polarian> (by adoption)
14:21 < sibiria> new code not being BSD-licensed is imo ok, as long as it is comparately licensed and equally free
14:21 < polarian> their model only works because people donate millions to the FSF for them to waste on Stallman doing talks
14:21 < polarian> does anyone wanna hear stallman talk while fishing mould from between his feet and eating it?
14:22 < sibiria> omg it was a fruit loop!!!
14:22 < sibiria> stepped on it during breakfast
14:22 < polarian> renaud: OpenBSD users tend to be very... conservative and do not move with the times, read the topic "Unofficial", OpenBSD devs dont even use IRC, they ONLY use email
14:23 < polarian> sibiria: it was a fruit loop? does it matter? he fished it from his foot...
14:23 < polarian> now I know developers have poor hygiene but this is just insane...
14:23 < sibiria> i was joking, i have no idea what it was, i only know it didn't belong in his mouth
14:23  * polarian is probably overreacting simply because hes a germaphobe
14:24 < renaud> polarian: OpenBSD recognized devs have another way to talk than IRC/email. You just don't know about it because you are not part of  it. :)
14:24 < polarian> ouch >:(
14:25 < lts> Discord
14:25 < lts> :-) 
14:25 < polarian> nah bull shit 
14:25 < betabug> they're still doing that old thing?
14:25 < sibiria> semaphores over gopher chat
14:25 < polarian> if even a single OpenBSD dev used discord I would lose all faith in OpenBSD security 
14:25 < renaud> maybe there are some using discord for games :)
14:26 < sibiria> best not ask around, i'm sure one or two of them use discord - with appropriate "cyber hygiene"
14:26 < polarian> I know the younger FreeBSD devs do 
14:26 < polarian> but they are also adopting Matrixz
14:26 < renaud> There is an IRC like channel for OpenBSD devs
14:26 < renaud> but it's nopt IRC
14:26 < anelli> you can bridge to discord anyways so it's not all black and white
14:27 < polarian> bridging is half hearted attempt at integration 
14:27 < anelli> i only managed to get the xmpp slidge thing working tho. bitlbee plugins nah
14:27 < polarian> ah slidge... I only found out about it when I met nicoco in Brussels
14:27 < polarian> nice guy 
14:27 < anelli> polarian: just for dm's with discord friends :b
14:27 < renaud> you can bridge lots of stuff, but there are always some kind of issues
14:27 < anelli> yeah
14:28 < anelli> i'll just peer pressure my discord frends to use xmpp xD
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14:30 < polarian> anelli: wont work, discord users are rigid and stupid
14:30 < polarian> in order to eliminate proprietary platforms and increase opsec I had to cut off a lot of my contact with the average person 
14:30 < anelli> nah don't insult my frends >:( but ur right they're rigid
14:30 < anelli> awww
14:31 < polarian> not saying it is for everyone, slipperly slope right into loneliness and depression 
14:31 < anelli> i did that too. 6mo later i regreted it. but now that i use irc/xmpp more i feel at home
14:31 < pardis> and getting upset about licensing
14:31 < polarian> I want to do a talk at some point, maybe FOSDEM 2026 of the dangers of discord, not just the security and privacy concerns, but the biological hook it has on us, the desire to always feel connected, and the inability to break free from that without suffering 
14:32 < anelli> polarian: yeah this applies to all the social medias. they're not made for connecting ppl, just for exploiting and extorting money off them
14:32 < anelli> proprietary centralized socials at least
14:32 < sibiria> you could include some slides/excerpts from an animated series called Serial Experiments Lain, which is fittingly about exactly that
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14:33 < anelli> oh wow i should watch it. was on my list foreven
14:33 < anelli> s/foreven/forever
14:33 < polarian> anelli: I feel that others are less sinister though 
14:33 < sibiria> it offers some food-for-thought on the subject
14:33 < polarian> Whatsapp/Signal (I know signal is open source, but contains proprietary blobs) uses phone numbers, you can use SMS, which isn't secure but still works 
14:34 < polarian> telegram isn't all that popular, at least in the UK 
14:34 < phy1729> Stick to OpenBSD please
14:34 < polarian> phy1729: sorry 
14:35 < sibiria> would be nice if Molly-FOSS could somehow be bent into submission to build as a terminal application for openbsd
14:35 < renaud> I agree signal should be completely opensource so we could make own servers with federation on OpenBSD
14:35 < sibiria> renaud: well, there is molly FOSS edition... as a good base
14:35 < sibiria> i suspect a lot of the work in there can be extracted and adapted
14:35 < sibiria> for openbsd
14:36 < sibiria> both as client and to rev-engineer the server portion
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14:36 < renaud> Molly
14:36 < renaud> A hardened version of Signal
14:36 < renaud> How is it hardened over Signal?
14:36 < sibiria> i'm not sure. i guess the "FOSS" fork explains it
14:36 < phy1729> Signal isn't OpenBSD
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14:37 < sibiria> but openbsd has plenty of xmpp software like prosody and such
14:37 < renaud> yes, but the issue is that almost nobody ises xmpp anymore
14:38 < renaud> there is also "tox" which is secure and runs on OpenBSD, but it's the same, almost nobody uses it
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14:40 < renaud> someone told me once: "what? you are in IT and you don't have whatsapp???"
14:41 < sibiria> renaud: the net/toxic (no x11) port for openbsd, did you run it?
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14:43 < renaud> sibiria: honestly, I tried it, but I am not sure I tried the non X on OpenBSD
14:44 < renaud> it seemed good, but I would have had to convert again people. That was already enough work for Signal
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17:12 < passstab> I just got a new snapshot, and I still get the bad bootblocks message.
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17:22 < passstab> Should I report that anywhere? I've had it when I installed stable, and in multiple snapshots.
17:23 < passstab> the message is "installboot: no OpenBSD partition
17:24 < passstab> Failed to install bootblocks.
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17:24 < passstab> You will not be able to boot from sd0."
17:26 < passstab> The system boots fine though.
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17:29 < pardis> as mentioned previously, this is likely to be a problem with your partitioning and is unlikely to be a bug
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17:29 < pardis> nor is it likely to go away if you just keep upgrading without changing the partitioning
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17:30 < passstab> ok, sorry, I won't ask again.
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18:04 < anelli> hi everyone. can xfontsel do arabic? i installed some fonts and i'm trying to review them but it only shows latin. i remember it being able to preview chinese for a differente font so i'm not sure. thx
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18:07 < Bradipo> anelli: I'm curious too.  There are some fonts I've installed that I cannot see with xfontsel and I don't remember how to view them otherwise.
18:07 < anelli> Bradipo: oh happy i'm not the only one :)
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18:08 < Bradipo> Have you read through fonts(7)?
18:09 < anelli> oh nah. lemme c
18:09 < Bradipo> I cannot say that there is an answer there, but it's a start.
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18:12 < thrig> pretty sure I wrote a little SDL thingy to show certain bits of font files
18:13 < Bradipo> I'm pretty sure I saw some other viewer somewhere other than xfontsel, but I cannot recall what it is now.
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18:14 < Bradipo> I think ImageMagick has some font ability...
18:15 < Bradipo> convert -list font (for example).
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18:16 < Bradipo> Also, display (from ImageMagick) can do it.
18:16 < Bradipo> e.g. display filename.ttf
18:17 < Bradipo> anelli: You following?
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18:21 < Bradipo> Hmm, seems that convert doesn't handle arabic fonts.
18:21 < Bradipo> Pity.
18:21 < Bradipo> So I guess I'm stuck opening up LibreOffice and using their font viewer.
18:22 < Bradipo> "handle" may be inaccurate, it's text that it uses is simply not Arabic.
18:23 < anelli> Bradipo: sry was away
18:24 < Bradipo> But, convert -list font does show the Arabic fonts.
18:24 < anelli> yeah i saw. sad. i think i should just search for png/jpg's
18:24 < anelli> libreoffice as a font viewer is wild hehe
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18:26 < Bradipo> Well, libreoffice, or display (from ImageMagick).
18:26 < anelli> oh display
18:26 < Bradipo> display works, but the text that it uses is an English text.  There may be a way to feed it Arabic text to view the font in action.
18:26 < Bradipo> Try it... try display /path/to/file.ttf
18:27 < anelli> sure
18:27 < Bradipo> You can see a list of them using "config -list font"
18:27 < Bradipo> Sorry, "convert -list font"
18:28 < Bradipo> There's also xlsfonts, but I don't know if it works with all fonts.
18:28 < anelli> oh issoke. yeah i get what u saying
18:28 < anelli> lemme c
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21:57 < ssm_> "unhibernate failed: original kernel changed". This is detected by `if(bcmp(mine->kern_hash, disk->kern_hash, SHA256_DIGEST_LENGTH) != 0)` inside src/sys/kern/subr_hibernate.c. I never installed a new kernel though, so I don't know why this happened :/
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21:58 < ssm_> I noticed I hibernated unusually fast, maybe something failed when generating the hibernation image
21:58 < Bradipo> ssm_: Presumably your system was hibernated and when it came out it had that error?
21:59 < Bradipo> Because I doubt it has anything to do with installing a new kernel.
21:59 < ssm_> yes, this was on resume
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22:09 < ssm_> *little did ssm_ know, this was openbsd protecting him from his NSA backdoored hardware installing a modified kernel after post
22:11 < Bradipo> Well, presumably that's what it's for, but maybe not...
22:11 < Bradipo> Or maybe corruption detection.
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