--- Log opened Mon Mar 17 00:00:00 2025 --- Day changed Mon Mar 17 2025 00:00 -!- zippy [~quassel@188.27.48.80] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 00:00 < drlong67> maybe tree gentoo or void linux 00:00 < drlong67> try* 00:00 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 00:00 < drlong67> all right guys, just wanted to make certain i wasn't missing something simple 00:00 < oldlaptop> (In principle somebody could port that just like the other 'modern' drm drivers. My loose understanding is that the small group of people who shovel that manure for openbsd have been avoiding nvidia hardware for long enough that there's no interest among them.) 00:01 -!- zippy [~quassel@188.27.48.80] has joined #openbsd 00:03 < oldlaptop> Even for thinkpads of that approximate era you want to be careful about the implications of buying one with an nvidia GPU - they generally will give you a display on the internal panel from the inteldrm(4) iGPU, but different specific models vary on whether any external outputs work at all (and if so which ones) 00:03 < drlong67> understood, i'm going to look for a t480 or something similiar 00:04 < oldlaptop> amazingly that all more or less works out of the box on linux these days with nouveau - can't imagine how many headaches someone had to have to make that happen 00:04 < oldlaptop> The ones without nvidia GPUs should be very well supported. 00:05 < drlong67> thanks oldlaptop have a good one brother 00:05 -!- drlong67 [~david@user/drlong67] has left #openbsd [] 00:05 -!- psydroid2 [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.2.6 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:08 < oldlaptop> request for comment: http://www.termbin.com/ ? I seem to recall (a) there was something about "antivirus" software blocking it, and (b) it was shut down for a while (back up now, I guess?) 00:08 < oldlaptop> working with nc(4) is an attractive feature 00:09 -!- neutron7 [~fivedolla@user/Neutron7] has joined #openbsd 00:10 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has joined #openbsd 00:12 < seninha> Hi, i need help configuring ipv6 on my VPS (seninha.org); i have my hostname.vio0 with both `inet autoconf` and `inet6 ADDR6/64` (i gave up on autoconf for inet6); and my pf.conf is https://termbin.com/ek6w 00:14 < seninha> ping6 and curl -6 both dont respond 00:15 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:15 < pardis> your rules to allow ICMP are pointless since it would be allowed anyway, though that is unrelated to the problem 00:16 < pardis> are you running ping6 and curl -6 to or from the VPS? 00:18 < seninha> pardis, to; from my laptop 00:18 < sibiria> seninha: do you have a gateway added? 00:19 < sibiria> either get one via slaac, or set one in /etc/mygate 00:19 < pardis> try tcpdump and see if you can see the ping and http packets 00:19 < pardis> that will at least tell you which direction the problem is in 00:19 < seninha> indeed, it is a routing issue 00:20 -!- CHR0N0S [~CHR0N0S@user/CHR0N0S] has joined #openbsd 00:22 < seninha> The VPS says “(use router discovery)” for the IPv6 gateway. 00:22 < seninha> While for IPv4 they provide a static ip. 00:22 < sibiria> so slaac 00:24 -!- jupiter_ [~jupiter12@87.240.207.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24 -!- gnucode [~gnucode@user/jab] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:24 -!- jupiter_ [~jupiter12@87.240.207.52] has joined #openbsd 00:24 < sibiria> enable and start slaacd, then "ifconfig autoconf" the interface 00:27 < seninha> “route show” lists the default gateway as fe80::fc00:...%vio0 which i don't know where it is set from. 00:28 < sibiria> slaacd sets routes 00:29 -!- megawatt [~megawatt@user/megawatt] has left #openbsd [] 00:31 -!- sdds [~sdds@user/sdds] has joined #openbsd 00:41 -!- daugaard [~daugaard@user/daugaard] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:43 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:44 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:50 -!- CHR0N0S [~CHR0N0S@user/CHR0N0S] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:56 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has joined #openbsd 00:56 -!- CHR0N0S [~CHR0N0S@user/CHR0N0S] has joined #openbsd 00:57 -!- kfv [~kfv@5.62.217.31] has joined #openbsd 01:00 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:02 -!- mlarkin [~mlarkin@47.158.172.62] has joined #openbsd 01:03 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:05 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has joined #openbsd 01:09 -!- agentcasey [~agentcase@143-42-229-181.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.10.x-git-38-e8c4cda0 - https://znc.in] 01:09 -!- macabro [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09 < rcf> oldlaptop: such is the nature of essentially every popular pastebin; they're simply so easy to abuse. 01:10 < rcf> I can't think of one that hasn't been blocked by somebody. 01:11 -!- agentcasey [~agentcase@143-42-229-181.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has joined #openbsd 01:14 -!- popopoooo [~root@152.156.176.42] has joined #openbsd 01:15 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.87.244.17] has joined #openbsd 01:17 -!- cantelope [uid598105@id-598105.hampstead.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 01:28 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 01:30 < seninha> ([...] the issue was on my local network, not on the server) 01:30 -!- macabro [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 01:34 -!- swaggboi [~kvirc@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi] has joined #openbsd 01:35 -!- CHR0N0S [~CHR0N0S@user/CHR0N0S] has quit [Quit: CHR0N0S] 01:35 -!- ClaudioM [claudiom@tilde.institute] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:37 -!- wickedshell [~wickedshe@2601:8c0:800:4baa:8e5f:54e9:cc44:5b2] has joined #openbsd 01:42 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has joined #openbsd 01:42 -!- MyNetAz [~MyNetAz@user/MyNetAz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46 -!- znedw [~znedw@2400:a846:4040::f61] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 01:46 -!- znedw [~znedw@2400:a846:4040::f61] has joined #openbsd 01:46 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:48 -!- srfsh [~srfsh@user/srfsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48 -!- macabro [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:49 -!- srfsh [~srfsh@user/srfsh] has joined #openbsd 01:54 -!- MyNetAz [~MyNetAz@user/MyNetAz] has joined #openbsd 01:56 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00 -!- jambove_ [~jambove@BC06387A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openbsd 02:01 -!- angelwood [~Thunderbi@user/angelwood] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01 -!- znedw [~znedw@2400:a846:4040::f61] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:03 -!- znedw [~znedw@2400:a846:4040::f61] has joined #openbsd 02:04 -!- jambove [~jambove@BC06387A.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:05 -!- RayS [~raysl@sdf-1.vm.tornadovps.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in] 02:05 -!- RayS [~raysl@sdf-1.vm.tornadovps.net] has joined #openbsd 02:05 -!- kfv [~kfv@5.62.217.31] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:08 -!- bilegeek [~bilegeek@2600:1008:b041:b61:4489:3f6f:340a:78f6] has joined #openbsd 02:12 -!- jagtalon [~jag@user/jagtalon] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:17 -!- horsegoosemeth [~horsegoos@user/horsegoosemeth] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20 -!- sdds [~sdds@user/sdds] has quit [Quit: sdds] 02:20 -!- typicat [~iam@user/typicat] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:20 -!- typicat [~iam@user/typicat] has joined #openbsd 02:21 -!- fallback [fallback@2605:6400:20:b4:d215:d916:1183:4c75] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:23 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has joined #openbsd 02:24 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:24 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has joined #openbsd 02:25 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has joined #openbsd 02:26 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has joined #openbsd 02:27 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27 -!- jadi [~jadi@d207-81-160-78.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:27 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has joined #openbsd 02:27 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has joined #openbsd 02:27 -!- MyNetAz [~MyNetAz@user/MyNetAz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28 -!- jagtalon [~jag@user/jagtalon] has joined #openbsd 02:28 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28 < oldlaptop> rcf: Yeah. 02:31 < oldlaptop> One actual argument could be that the paste itself is not TLSed. 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Those services use ever-changing hosts (abfupzbaaaaaaaammmu5ijukemp4k.s3-dub-2.cf.dash.row.aiv-cdn.net. 09:58 < moviuro> abfupzbaaaaaaaamkofzftgawnjbi.s3-dub-2.cf.dash.row.aiv-cdn.net. etc.), so I can't pre-populate a list of IPs, as I don't have a definitive list of hosts. I was looking into relayd in outbound proxy mode, but that would only work on HTTP, so it's really not among the best-sounding solutions 09:59 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has joined #openbsd 10:03 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:07 < lts> moviuro: I have this running. Give me a moment to find documentation 10:07 < moviuro> \(^▽^@)ノ 10:10 < lts> My notes say I used this as "documentation" https://old.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/qwnzq7/dynamic_address_resolution_in_pf_rules_openbsd/k6b3bxa/ 10:10 -!- pabs3 [~pabs3@user/pabs3] has quit [Killed (lithium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 10:11 -!- pabs3 [~pabs3@user/pabs3] has joined #openbsd 10:11 < lts> If you can somehow get those hosts into the file, this will update PF for you 10:11 < moviuro> qmeh, that only works if you have a definitive list of *hosts* (pass to ), not domains (pass to { *. }) 10:12 -!- anelli [~anelli@user/macarona] has joined #openbsd 10:12 < lts> Yeah that's going to be a problem, since the hosts can be in IP addresses that have nothing to do with main domain 10:13 < IcePic> you don't want dns names in firewall rules anyhow 10:14 < lts> I've found this solution to work fine when needing to bypass routing for certain domains on the age of SaaS. moviuro's problem is now only to somehow get the file dynamically updated by the current hosts 10:17 < moviuro> I *could* grep --line-buffered the daemon log (where unbound(8) logs) but then each line needs to be matched, then stored somewhere. unbound(8) is configured with an iot_whitelist tag for a few domains (and any host under that domain: aiv-cdn.net for instance) 10:17 < moviuro> https://try.popho.be/securing-home3.html#everyone-gets-a-lie 10:19 -!- CHR0N0S [~CHR0N0S@user/CHR0N0S] has quit [Quit: CHR0N0S] 10:19 -!- CHR0N0S [~CHR0N0S@user/CHR0N0S] has joined #openbsd 10:24 -!- SiFuh [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:24 < lts> Sounds like a perfectly fine redneck engineering solution :-) 10:24 -!- SiFuh_ [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has joined #openbsd 10:24 < moviuro> *breakneck you meant, right? 10:26 -!- frdem [~frdem@178.157.33.2] has joined #openbsd 10:27 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has joined #openbsd 10:28 -!- horsegoosemeth [~horsegoos@user/horsegoosemeth] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:28 < RobbieAB> Many of these services, somewhere, have a list of all the IP ranges they might use. 10:28 -!- frdem [~frdem@178.157.33.2] has quit [Client Quit] 10:31 -!- sdds [~sdds@user/sdds] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:34 < moviuro> I found those IP addresses belong to the NetName: AMAZO-CF in whois(1), but that's quite a few (99.86.0.0/16 18.238.0.0/15 13.224.0.0/14 18.244.0.0/15, ...) 10:35 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has joined #openbsd 10:35 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35 < moviuro> https://d7uri8nf7uskq.cloudfront.net/tools/list-cloudfront-ips 😬 10:36 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has joined #openbsd 10:36 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has joined #openbsd 10:37 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37 -!- runxiyu_ [ntpsec@lindenii/maintainer/runxiyu] has joined #openbsd 10:37 < RobbieAB> Sounds about right. This is the problem with CDNs... The way they are implemented they are very end-user unfriendly. 10:37 -!- horsegoosemeth [~horsegoos@user/horsegoosemeth] has joined #openbsd 10:37 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has joined #openbsd 10:38 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has joined #openbsd 10:39 -!- toxic063 [~toxic0@82.66.203.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41 -!- horsegoosemeth [~horsegoos@user/horsegoosemeth] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41 -!- horsegoosemeth [~horsegoos@user/horsegoosemeth] has joined #openbsd 10:44 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has joined #openbsd 10:45 -!- adig [~adig@109.166.137.109] has joined #openbsd 10:45 -!- apac [~alexander@user/apac] has joined #openbsd 10:49 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:50 < byteskeptical> lts: sounds like the race condition from hell, why not just use an rpz zonefile if all you want is route bypassing 10:51 -!- CrashOverride [~strcat@p57b4bf21.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 10:54 < Moon_Rabbit> Being end-user unfriendly is the entire point of them 10:55 < Moon_Rabbit> They aren't "unfriendly" to people using devices that aren't real computers. 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I did that and they differed. I am good :) 18:05 -!- kroovy [~libera@62.27.217.183] has joined #openbsd 18:05 -!- jupiter126 [~jupiter12@87.240.207.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:06 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:06 < sibiria> the patch doesn't concern me. all the stuff currently running with the *old* unpatched library in memory is what i want to know, in order to relaunch :) 18:06 < sibiria> but as Bradipo suggest... rebooting is probably the simplest solution 18:09 < Bradipo> Or just restart all processes (if you only have a few that rely on the libraries). 18:09 < Bradipo> But reboot is safer obviously. 18:09 < Bradipo> And you get the added benefit of knowing that your system is still durable. 18:10 < moviuro> (or you just broke it while you were awake, ans available to fix it) 18:10 < Bradipo> Right. 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Thanks 19:41 -!- euphores [~SASL_euph@user/euphores] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:42 < vortexx> aaronm04: pkg_delete -X 19:42 < phy1729> xargs without -0 is generally a bad idea, but may be ok due to the restrictions on package names 19:42 < aaronm04> oh nice! 19:42 < aaronm04> phy1729: thanks for the tip. You are correct on both points 19:42 < Bradipo> Yes, in this case I'm not aware of any pkg names that have spaces. 19:43 < phy1729> It's also quotes and backslashes and lines that start with whitespace iirc 19:44 < Bradipo> Yeah, again, none of which will be in package names. 19:47 -!- anthk_ [~anthk_@texto-plano.xyz] has joined #openbsd 19:47 < aaronm04> I'm going to "pkg_delete -X" and then reinstall the ones I need. Thanks vortexx 19:48 < vortexx> aaronm04: if you're going to do a pkg_delete -X it's usually best to do pkg_info -mx >pkglist beforehand, just in case (this provides the list of packages without dependencies 19:48 < vortexx> ) 19:48 < aaronm04> Good tip 19:49 < anthk_> didn't pkg_delete -a do the same? 19:50 -!- euphores [~SASL_euph@user/euphores] has joined #openbsd 19:50 -!- Zeftax [~Zeftax@user/Zeftax] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50 -!- RealZeftax [~Zeftax@193-179-55-149.customers.tmcz.cz] has joined #openbsd 20:00 -!- psydroid2 [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has joined #openbsd 20:02 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has joined #openbsd 20:05 < aaronm04> that does something less 20:07 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:09 -!- dza [~dza@user/dza] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10 < pardis> xargs is unnecessarily in most situations anyway 20:11 < pardis> pkg_delete $(pkg_info | awk '{print $1}') would suffice in this situation (but -X is nicer anyway) 20:11 -!- dza [~dza@user/dza] has joined #openbsd 20:13 -!- anelli [~anelli@user/macarona] has joined #openbsd 20:13 -!- mlw [~mlw@h136-183.turkuamk.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:14 -!- mlw [~mlw@h136-183.turkuamk.fi] has joined #openbsd 20:14 -!- Old-Ben-Jabroni [~oldben@user/Old-Ben-Jabroni] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:14 < vortexx> the devs have actually thought nearly if not all use cases out, so the pkg_* tools handle all needs I find. Their only fault is they're written in perl, which I understand theo has taken umbrage to once or twice 20:15 -!- cmc [~methos@gateway/tor-sasl/cmc] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 20:19 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:19 -!- sjg_ [~sjg@user/sjg] has joined #openbsd 20:21 -!- kh0d [~kh0d@212.200.181.159] has joined #openbsd 20:21 < Bradipo> Well, perl is in base. :-) 20:22 < Bradipo> I suppose the alternative would be Bourne Shell or C? 20:22 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:22 -!- apac [~alexander@user/apac] has joined #openbsd 20:24 -!- hwpplayer1 [~user@user/hwpplayer1] has joined #openbsd 20:25 < vortexx> C iirc was what would have been prefered by theo 20:25 < vortexx> because of all the mitigations with pledge and unveil 20:25 < vortexx> (I suppose perl have been adapted for this but I don't really know) 20:26 -!- kh0d [~kh0d@212.200.181.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:27 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28 -!- angelwood [~Thunderbi@user/angelwood] has joined #openbsd 20:29 < adig> Do I make a OpenBSD vmm vm or OpenBSD vmd vm? 20:29 < adig> :P 20:29 -!- anthk_ [~anthk_@texto-plano.xyz] has quit [Quit: nyaa~] 20:29 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29 < adig> Which one is correct? 20:29 -!- cmc [~methos@gateway/tor-sasl/cmc] has joined #openbsd 20:29 < adig> I think OpenBSD vmm. 20:29 < adig> vmm is the hypervisor I guess. 20:29 -!- sjg_ [~sjg@user/sjg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:31 -!- RealZeftax [~Zeftax@193-179-55-149.customers.tmcz.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has joined #openbsd 20:33 < deimosBSD> adig: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html 20:33 -!- dza [~dza@user/dza] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35 -!- dza [~dza@user/dza] has joined #openbsd 20:36 -!- apac [~alexander@user/apac] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:36 < pardis> I think vmd is more correct 20:36 < pardis> you can't make a VM with only vmm and no vmd 20:36 < pardis> most of the virtual hardware is in vmd 20:37 < pardis> but it's a fairly moot point, everyone will understand what is meant either way 20:37 < pardis> and saying vmm is at least consistent with Linux people who say KVM when they really mean QEMU 20:39 -!- polyduekes [~polydueke@user/polyduekes] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:42 < Bradipo> How well does QEMU run on OpenBSD? Or does it not? 20:43 < vortexx> it runs 20:44 < vortexx> OpenBSD runs in just about every hypervisor out there thanks to virtio drivers 20:44 < vortexx> and pvm 20:44 < Bradipo> I don't think I asked how well OpenBSD runs in a hypervisor. 20:44 -!- miojo [~user@177.37.133.5] has joined #openbsd 20:44 < pardis> QEMU runs fine on OpenBSD, but unaccelerated 20:44 < vortexx> Bradipo: I've run OpenBSD/sparc64 in qemu, but not that well with recent releases 20:45 < vortexx> sorry I'm tired I'm misreading 20:45 < Bradipo> I mean how well does OpenBSD run a QEMU VM say with Windows installed in it. Sounds like it's unaccelerated. 20:45 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 20:46 < oldlaptop> It'll run fine, but slowly, because it will actually be acting as an emulator. 20:46 < oldlaptop> (qemu's pretty fast as emulators go, but that's still not very fast) 20:47 < Bradipo> Guess I'll have to to try it to see if it's bearable. 20:47 < pardis> something like Windows will particularly struggle with an unaccelerated emulator 20:47 < pardis> it likes to do a lot of questionable stuff 20:47 < oldlaptop> "Windows installed" is almost (but not quite) as imprecise as "Unix installed" 20:47 < oldlaptop> windows 95? fine 20:47 < oldlaptop> (although possibly dosbox is better?) 20:48 < Bradipo> Some version of modern Windows that will not fail to communicate with the rest of the internet due to bad PKI. :-) 20:48 -!- alfiee [~alfiee@user/alfiee] has joined #openbsd 20:48 < oldlaptop> Probably abandon all hope. 20:48 < Bradipo> Windows 7 maybe... 20:50 -!- dza [~dza@user/dza] has quit [Quit: ] 20:50 < oldlaptop> Theoretically someone could get qemu wired up to use vmm(4), and then work out how to get windows running. Neither one of those sounds like a fun, quick weekend hack. 20:51 < Bradipo> Maybe Windows has a serial console... 20:51 -!- horsegoosemeth [~horsegoos@user/horsegoosemeth] has joined #openbsd 20:51 -!- dza [~dza@user/dza] has joined #openbsd 20:51 -!- dza [~dza@user/dza] has quit [Client Quit] 20:52 < oldlaptop> I don't think it even has any form of not-graphical console these days unless you really work at it. 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