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00:01 < vortexx> there's only one dev working on wifi, stefan sperling (spelling?) iirc so support for cards only gets added for stuff he's interested in and can access
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00:02 < vortexx> and ancient cards are not on the priority list, it's the intel stuff and hopefully ath11k
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04:19 < ssm_> Is there a way on action ... relay in smtpd.conf to change my port? "host" can change port, but I want to send to any host, not a specific one
04:20 < ssm_> situation is that I'm matching from auth on a listener on one port and then want to relay the message on another
04:21 < ssm_> pf has divert-to, but I don't think that'll do what I want since that'll also change the inbound listener
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04:29 < ssm_> residential--[relay and auth port1]-->vps--[relay port2]-->corpomail.bloat
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04:32 < ssm_> alternatively I can do everything over submission with auth-optional, but the smtpd.conf manpage implies you can do auth on a separate port
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05:10 < thrig> accept on the vps and have the message routed to where it needs to go?
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06:22 < ssm_> thrig: yes. but I don't know how to redirect my message to an outbound listener, at least not without explicitly declaring a host
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07:20  * ssm_ reads BUGS section in mailer.conf(5)
07:20  * ssm_ looks at less(1) and more(1)
07:20 < ssm_> <_<   >_>
07:23 < IcePic> ssm_: the mailer.conf comment seems reasonable
07:23 < ssm_> IcePic: ls -i `which less more`
07:23 < IcePic> at least in the sendmail case, tons of things should not need the program to run with elevated privs for instance, but some will, so if it all points to same binary, then you are screwed on that part
07:24 < IcePic> its a huge difference between "take this text file and send it via tcp to port 25/587" and "run over the local mail queue once and gather info from it"
07:24 < IcePic> less vs more (or uuencode vs uudecode) is a tiny difference in what they do based on name
07:25 < ssm_> more or less
07:29 < IcePic> also, the situation with mailers in the 90s was very weird, qmail, postfix, exim and sendmail all acted very differently, and had quite different security posture in between them
07:29 < IcePic> getting a decent subset of functions callable by a single name like "mailq" by using a config file is somewhat nice
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08:11 < ssm_> wait a moment... what if instead of setting up a relay with auth I instead sent a recieved mail through ssh -L and -R tunnels... delightfully devilish, seymour
08:11 < IcePic> or just a single-ip wireguard
08:12 < IcePic> it could be active at all times, just in passive mode, then when you want to send email, the tunnel will just awaken, and go idle after again
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08:17 < pardis> ssh forwarding is the duct tape of network infrastructure
08:17 < pardis> can be useful from time to time, but you really don't want to rely on it for a long-term fix
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08:20 < IcePic> it does work though, but it is cumbersome with breaks unless you stash a key for it, which in turn feels like a bad idea
08:22 < pardis> it also means you are tunnelling TCP over TCP, which is not going to behave well when retransmissions are needed
08:23 < pardis> it would be nice if it acted as a transport-layer proxy rather than tunnelling one set of TCP packets over another, but iirc that isn't the case
08:29 < IcePic> not that it matters for email, but ssh tunnels also impose a limit on the transfer window, which caps throughput somewhat, so if you run tcp over a "better" vpn which uses ip packets (like ipsec) or udp (like openvpn, wg and more) then you can have the "inner" tcp allow for more outstanding packets for its transmission, allowing for faster xfers
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09:06 < jhuhn> Does anyone know if OpenBSD supports an AMD Ryzen 9 9950X processor? Haven't found any references on misc@ or tech@
09:08 < pardis> nothing is usually needed to support a specific amd64 CPU, the architecture is very backwards-compatible
09:08 < pardis> it's all the other components that are likely to cause problems
09:08 < pardis> but a 9950X is probably going to be wasted on OpenBSD with its single-threaded I/O subsystem
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09:11 < jhuhn> thanks pardis, I'm looking for a 9950X bc it has the best single-thread performance. I need high forwarding throughput (>= 10 Gb/s) and with lower performance CPUs my tests weren't successfull
09:12 < pardis> if you need 10 Gbit, you will probably be better off with a different OS
09:12 < oldlaptop> doesn't that generally need ASIC support?
09:12 < jhuhn> pardis, 10 Gb/s is easily possible with a 4564P
09:12 < mg> linux can handle 10 Gb/s pretty easily
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10:19 < sonya> hello.. pardon me for an outdated info, but seems like 'whois' is replaced by rdap: https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-update-launching-rdap-sunsetting-whois-27-01-2025-en
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10:49 < xx> sonya: yes
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12:56 < hudlee> Setting up a new home router on 7.6-stable, wondering why "inet autoconf" or "dhcp" in hostname.if isn't setting my default gateway like it used to?
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12:58 < tommyrot> got dhcpleased enabled and running?
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13:02 < hudlee> tommyrot: ty seems to be working now :)
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13:19 < hudlee> tommyrot: pretty sure that was already running though I was always getting an ip, appears to only happen when I plug into the 10G Ethernet port on my switch, the interface I'm testing is also 10G
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13:25 < hudlee> yeah everytime looks like dhclient or whatever autoconf does is partially failing (before setting gateway) when plugged into 10G (or my switch is doing something odd on that port only)
13:26 < hudlee> how to start debugging this? if I plug into the 10G port after a normal port it works (probably because lease is rememerered from the time that worked
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13:31 < hudlee> probably not going to bother today but 10G ethernet card is intel X540T (ix0) are any good?
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14:32 < adonis> does some sort of daemon need a restart after config changes to newsyslog.conf?
14:32 < adonis> syslogd for example?
14:33 < Bradipo> No.
14:33 < Bradipo> newsyslog.conf runs from cron.
14:33 < adonis> ok, cool
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14:34 < Bradipo> However, if you were instead to modify /etc/syslog.conf, then you would need to need to HUP the syslogd.
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14:35 < adonis> Bradipo: HUP specifically or a rcctl restart is fine as well?
14:36 < Bradipo> Well, sure you could restart if you want, but if you read the man page for syslogd(8) you'll find that it can just be HUP'ed.
14:36 < Bradipo> rcctl reload might do that... I don't know.
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14:37 < tuplario> 2
14:38 < tuplario> sorry, wrong terminal :)
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14:39 < adonis> Bradipo: Interesting that I see two syslogd processes
14:39 < Bradipo> One is a privsep process.
14:40 < Bradipo> set -o vi
14:40 < Bradipo> Oops. :-)
14:40 < adonis> So the HUP would be sent to both?
14:40 < Bradipo> Just the main process...
14:40 < Bradipo> The one running as root.
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14:55 < tommyrot> hudlee: you're certainly not the first running into issues with these new daemons and their magic, perhaps someone on the mailing list can help you get a reliable config
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16:49 < passstab> Would it be a reasonable goal for me, as a beginner, to package a font for openbsd?
16:50 < passstab> I want the new editions of atkinson hyperledgable
16:50 < passstab> https://www.brailleinstitute.org/freefont/
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16:53 < passstab> The old one is in ports, but I want the new mono. (and "Atkinson Hyperledgeable Next" should also be included at some point.)
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16:53 < jmcunx> I would say you can, maybe create a port: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/guide.html
16:54 < passstab> Aye, I saw that, and it looked like a lot of steps, albeit straightforward ones.
16:56 < jmcunx> you can try and contact the person who maintains the old port using the port mailing list.  I did that once and they were very responsive and helpful
16:57 < passstab> That is probably easier, I wasn't sure whether that was appropriate. To be clear, it isn't as if the old one has been deprecated in any sense.
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16:58 < passstab> Should I email the list, or the guy directly?
16:58 < seninha> passstab, The list and CC the maintainer
16:58 < seninha> (or the inverse)
16:58 < passstab> will do, thank you
16:58 < seninha> Also, in case the port already exist, writing a patch to update it is way easier.
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16:59 < jmcunx> I would try the list first.  Who knows if the proter is around.  
17:00 < jmcunx> FWIW, I sent a patch to the list and the porter made fixes to and and came you with something beter :)
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17:01 < ssm_> passstab: you will be building inside chroots with 7 build servers in no time flat
17:02 < passstab> I don't think anything is being updated, Atkinson Hyperledgeble, and Atkinson Hyperledgeable Next are technically different things, although I'm not sure the former has any particular use case.
17:02 < passstab> Someday...
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17:12 < passstab> Maintainer is just listed as "The OpenBSD ports mailing-list"
17:13 < passstab> https://openports.pl/path/fonts/atkinson-hyperlegible
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17:15 < passstab> which makes sense, I'm not sure why a font would need a maintainer beyond the submitter.
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17:28 < thrig> the submitter may keel over or become uninvolved; one may want a designated fallback person to ease such issues
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18:04 < quinq> Hummm, ntpd just told me: adjusting local clock by 2957.591049s
18:04 < quinq> Which looks correct according to its clock and wall clock
18:04 < quinq> But the time on the system isn't actually changing
18:04 < quinq> Is that somehow expected?
18:05 < thrig> too large a leap may be blocked, in which case you may need to manually adjust the clock
18:05 < oldlaptop> It slews it gradually with adjtime(2)
18:06 < oldlaptop> so there's never a sudden discontinuity (making logs more confusing, etc.)
18:06 < oldlaptop> pretty typical practice for NTP implementations, AIUI
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18:06 < quinq> It skips a second every 30 seconds
18:06 < quinq> Not there yet…
18:07 < ssm_> IcePic pardis: sorry, I went to sleep; thanks for your advice
18:07 < quinq> Will be synced in ~1h40
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18:09 < thrig> one host had a buggy clock chip so to keep the date mostly right I put a manual ntpdate run into cron
18:09 < quinq> 2025-03-19T17:18:57.009Z zacatzontli ntpd[94435]: adjusting local clock by 2955.935710s
18:09 < quinq> wat
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18:09 < quinq> date -u
18:09 < quinq> Wed Mar 19 17:20:33 UTC 2025
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18:10 < sibiria> rickety time server?
18:10 < quinq> Oh, nevermind, I misread the timestamp.
18:10 < quinq> 2025-03-19T17:20:34.479Z zacatzontli ntpd[94435]: adjusting local clock by 2955.446940s
18:10 < sibiria> that's 10 minutes ahead of time either way
18:11 < quinq> That's 50 minutes behind time
18:11 < sibiria> or that, depending on time zone, yeah
18:12 < quinq> Aren't the log timestamps in UTC?
18:12 < thrig> Z usually means Zulu time or UTC
18:12 < quinq> Yeah
18:12 < quinq> So it's not depending on time zone
18:13 < sibiria> can we just stick to the fact that your clock is mad?
18:14 < quinq> My clock?
18:14 < quinq> We're talking ntpd
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18:15 < sibiria> rdate -a ntp.kth.se
18:16 < quinq> rdate: adjust local clock by 2953.413902 seconds
18:17 < quinq> $ date -u
18:17 < quinq> Wed Mar 19 17:27:46 UTC 2025
18:19 < sibiria> your clock is clearly mad
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18:20 < quinq> Well, aside the strange anthropomorphism, that's never happened before
18:21 < sibiria> rdate -p ntp.kth.se?
18:22 < quinq> Is there a way I could debug that? Wouldn't adjtime return -1 if there was an issue with setting the clock?
18:22 < quinq> sibiria, I used pool.ntp.org
18:22 < quinq> rdate -p ntp.kth.se
18:22 < quinq> Wed Mar 19 19:22:36 CET 2025
18:23 < quinq> $ TZ=UTC rdate -p ntp.kth.se
18:23 < quinq> Wed Mar 19 18:23:03 UTC 2025
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18:23 < quinq> $ TZ=UTC rdate -p pool.ntp.org
18:23 < quinq> Wed Mar 19 18:23:18 UTC 2025
18:23 < quinq> same
18:23 < quinq> (well, almost ^^)
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18:29 < quinq> ok, without the adjtime it worked
18:29 < quinq> date is now correct
18:30 < quinq> Something is definitely weird here
18:31 < quinq> I had a loop running in another term (while :; do date -u; sleep 1; done)
18:31 < quinq> It was still giving “old” time, even after time adjustment and correct date returned with other date -u call
18:31 < quinq> How would that happpen?
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18:42 < sibiria> i have a habit of hard-setting (without skew) the time at boot in rc.local, then skewing every hour or two with rdate
18:42 < sibiria> i never bother with ntpd
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18:43 < vortexx> sonya: thanks for the link, I wasn't aware this had changed. Looks like the rdap cli tool hasn't been imported on most OSes (at least the ones I use)
18:43 < vortexx> (FreeBSD has it, ubuntu doesn't)
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18:55 < sonya> vortexx: as an easy way to go i tried (pip3 install) 'ipwhois' and 'whois21' - both work.. now looking at 'rdapper' via cpan.. guess it'll work too..
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18:58 < BasketCase> I use rdate to hard set the time during bootup then switch to ntpd to maintain it.  didn't even know rdate could skew as well.
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19:04 < quinq> sibiria, I like the idea, thanks for the hint
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21:05 < baby_groot> if i make a backup what files should I backup? My dot files and documents?
21:08 < Bradipo> The problem with backups is that you never get the file that gets accidentally deleted.
21:08 < Bradipo> So, more is better in this case.
21:08 < thrig> otoh cache and tmp dirs can get pretty big
21:09 < Bradipo> I typically backup all of / /var and /home, though somtimes I exclude things from /home.
21:09 < baby_groot> on gentoo there is a script, called make stage 4, and it basically makes your current system into an install disk
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21:09 < Bradipo> I have found, however, sometimes my exclusions come back to haunt me as invariable one of the files that was excluded suddenly becomes "more" important than it was previously.
21:10 < baby_groot> that sounds fair
21:12 < vortexx> I backup /home, /root, /etc and /var/log as a very minimum on a system with no extra daemons running 
21:12 < vortexx> whole of /var isn't really necessary
21:12 < vortexx> but I do dump a pkglist to /root
21:13 < Bradipo> I've been bit too many times in the past to think I'm smarter than a "whole" backup. :-)
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21:16 < ssm_> I use a /etc/changelist style file for backups. Then with my backup script I can choose to write to an archive or (open)rsync to a destination host
21:16 < vortexx> Bradipo: thing is I usually do a fresh install and then restore from backup, it's just faster than doing a restore from bsd.rd
21:17 < vortexx> (and I use duplicity for backup so I have to install that before restore anyway)
21:17 < thrig> /var/db might be handy if you have dhcp stuff or similar
21:17 < vortexx> yes I do back that up too on server/router devices
21:18 < vortexx> if you have postgresql running you need to backup /var/postgresql for ex, I imagine it's /var/mysql for mariadb
21:18 < vortexx> all depends on what services you're running
21:19 < BasketCase> I just backup everything but /tmp.  nothing in my OpenBSD usage has made me want to exclude anything else (since I quit running a squid cache on it)
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21:33 < baby_groot> i am going to just tar.gz i guess
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