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01:38 < thad_the_man> I want to try a bsd out. Which one is best for regulzr desktop use?
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01:55 < pardis> insufficient data for meaningful answer
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01:59 < thad_the_man> pardis, What more information do you need?
02:01 < tux0r> thad_the_man: openbsd
02:01 < tux0r> unless you want gaming and/or bluetooth
02:01 < tux0r> which no sane person does.
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02:03 < rnelson> Disagree https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/GQ3XMMXf/image.png
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02:05 < tux0r> touché
02:05 < thad_the_man> @tux0r, I don't want gaming, I do want bluetooth.
02:06 < rnelson> Recommend not OpenBSD
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02:07 < rnelson> Looks like 5.6 was the release that removed Bluetooth
02:16 < thad_the_man> WEhy remove bluetooth?
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02:20 < anelli> i think no one wanted to maintain it
02:20 < rnelson> "bluetooth(4) support removed (code did not work properly anyway). "
02:21 < anelli> thad_the_man: here playonbsd.com for natively supported games
02:23 < anelli> i think the only other thing that might turn ppl off is virtualization as vm guest SMP and graphics aren't here yet https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq16.html
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02:27 < oldlaptop> thad_the_man: There's a sort-of-mean joke that OpenBSD supports Thinkpads well, because that's what the developers run it on, and FreeBSD supports a VM under macOS well, because that's what the developers run it on. Don't know how true that really is of FreeBSD's side (probably rather exaggerated), but it *is* the case that openbsd developers actually use it routinely as a "desktop" (including on laptops, even including non-thinkpad laptops), which 
02:27 < oldlaptop> really does help.
02:28 < oldlaptop> Within some limitations (notably no bluetooth, no nvidia graphics hardware, a few others), hardware support is better than you might be led to believe.
02:28 < tux0r> thad_the_man: AFAIR bluetooth is an insecure protocol and there is no way to make it secure
02:28 < tux0r> so theo set priorities
02:29 < tux0r> [citation needed] tbf
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02:30 < oldlaptop> The code bitrotted away, and nobody wanted to put in the considerable work to fix it. I'd look at the state of bluetooth on linux as kind of a cautionary tale - all the work people have put into that and it's still... Not Fun to try to use. (I suppose mileage varies.)
02:30 < oldlaptop> There might be other ways to do what you want, depending on what you want from bluetooth.
02:30 < pardis> you can use bluetooth audio devices on OpenBSD with a suitable dongle that handles the bluetooth for you
02:33 < oldlaptop> Much more generally: you'll get along well with OpenBSD if you are inclined to read documentation, and appreciate relative simplicty - in particular it's /relatively/ easy to understand how most things work.
02:33 < oldlaptop> This carries with it the implication that you will need to end up understanding how some things work.
02:34 < thad_the_man> What suitable dongle doesn't use software on the computer?
02:34 < thad_the_man> Is there a BSD that does bluetooth?
02:34 < oldlaptop> The old joke about "unix is user-friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are" applies - openbsd is very friendly to unix's friends
02:35  * oldlaptop wouldn't know how other BSD derivatives support bluetooth
02:35 < tux0r> thad_the_man: all other BSDs
02:36  * oldlaptop somehow doubts 4.4BSD or 386BSD support bluetooth
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02:39 < rnelson> 2.11 just got a couple new patches this month -- maybe one of those added bt support?
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02:40 < oldlaptop> for PDP-11s with the optional bluetooth add-on cabinet
02:41 < rnelson> exactly!
02:41 < oldlaptop> <thad_the_man> What suitable dongle doesn't use software on the computer?
02:41 < oldlaptop> These kinds of devices (not a recommendation, I know nothing about this one in particular), often intended for use with TVs/home theater: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/mee-audio-connect-universal-dual-headphone-bluetooth-wireless-audio-transmitter-for-tv-black/5471900.p
02:41 < oldlaptop> given that intended usecase I doubt you'll find many/any that will feed an analog 'mic' signal back
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02:45 < mischief> if you're handy with programming you could probably make a usb<>bluetooth bridge from an esp32
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02:47 < thad_the_man> mischief, Ooh that sounds fine, if Ihad the time. Sigh.
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02:54 < thad_the_man> mischief, Sorry I meant it sounds fun.
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03:06 < passstab> I think around a week ago, I got my audio to work. It turned out that for some reason the audio devices were controlled by wheel. So I changed them to be owned by _sndio and it worked again, although I don't know how it happened in the first place.
03:07 < passstab> Just now, my audio stopped working again, and, sure enough, the devices are owned by wheel again.
03:09 < passstab> Now I know how to fix it, but I'd like to address the deeper issue that is causing it, if anyone has a idea of where to start.
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03:12 < passstab> I can't imagine what I did to prompt the reversion. I don't think I did anything weird, just upgraded packages.
03:14 < passstab> I don't remember when I got a new snapshot. It might have been after the last time audio worked.
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03:24 < passstab> OK, I think stat tells me that the permissions were changed a couple days ago.
03:24 < passstab> How can I see exactly when I installed this snapshot?
03:25 < thad_the_man> passstab, Did you reboot between the time you changed owner and the time your audio stopped working? Pewrhaps it's something in the reboot that does it, or reboot creates the devices with wheel ownership and fails to change it back.
03:26 < passstab> It is a laptop, I keep it off most of the time.
03:26 < passstab> The audio worked fine across more then a couple reboots since the last time this happened.
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03:30 < passstab> thad_the_man I don't think that makes sense, but is there a way I would test it?
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03:35 < thad_the_man> I'm not familiar enough withe the boot process to tell you that. The easest way is to fix the ownership, then reboot and the first thing you do is check the ownership. Then you know if it is reboot.
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03:38 < passstab> Is there a way for me to check what I was doing on my system around the minute this changed?
03:41 < passstab> I'll change it back, and then get a new snapshot to see whether that breaks it again.
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03:50 < thad_the_man> Again, I'm not very famiar with this but you could try to see the process that changes the ownership. 
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03:58 < tommyrot> check your mail
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15:38 < klsrqm> Strangeness -- anyone else find that `rclone mount` has disappeared?!
15:38 < klsrqm> Funnily the man page makes reference to it and I use `rclone mount` on other l
15:38 < klsrqm> * platforms daily. The OpenBSD one is just not there tho. Whether I get it from ports or compile it myself.
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15:42 < Bradipo> What man page?
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15:44 < mischief> their fuse library just doesn't support openbsd.
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15:50 < klsrqm> man rclone
15:50 < klsrqm> Aw man. That's a pity.
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15:51 < klsrqm> I'm trying to use their "crypt" module on SMB. Would it be possible to mount the SMB mount via `usmb` and then just create a crypt volume based on it? 
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15:52 < Bradipo> man rclone returns: man: No entry for rclone in the manual.
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15:53 < mischief> Bradipo: have you tried turning it off and turning it on again?
15:53 < klsrqm> Dunno, mine worked when I added it from packages.
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15:53 < klsrqm> It's probably a case of, as mischief, you said, fuse library not working, but the man page being recycled...
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16:59 < passstab> Is this the correct permissions?
16:59 < passstab> $ ls -l /dev/audio0
16:59 < passstab> crw-rw----  1 root  _sndio  42, 0 Mar 24 12:45 /dev/audio0
17:00 < passstab> For some reason it was changed to belong to the group "wheel" for the second time a few days ago.
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17:02 < passstab> but this time my audio still isn't working even after I tried to fix it. Did I missremeber the correct permissions?
17:03 < Bradipo> I've never had to muck with permissions to have audio work.
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17:04 < systemdsucks> I think those changes end up documented on daily or weekly mails
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17:04 < Bradipo> The ownership on my /dev/audio0 show root:_sndiop
17:05 < phy1729>  MAKEDEV has   M audio$U       c 42 $U 660 _sndiop    and for M   # M name b/c major minor [mode] [group]
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17:05 < passstab> oh, that p is crucial.
17:05 < Bradipo> Why is the ownership changing?
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17:06 < passstab> I wish I knew, it is the second time this has happened.
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17:08 < passstab> OK, I fixed the initial problem, if does anyone have an idea of how I could find the reason this keeps happening?
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18:57 < oldlaptop> passstab: I'd try to figure out *when* it changes.
18:57 < oldlaptop> After a logout/login cycle? After a reboot?
18:58 < oldlaptop> Do you commonly play with permissions in /dev for other reasons?
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19:01 < passstab> oldlaptop I used stat to find the exact time that it changed. But I don't know how to find out what else changed at the time.
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19:03 < passstab> this is a laptop, I turn it off and on a lot without incident.
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19:03 < passstab> No, I don't mess with /dev at all.
19:05 < passstab> Or at least, not knowingly.
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19:07 < passstab> oldlaptop is there a way to see what other things were happening on my machine at that time?
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19:08 < Bradipo> passstab: You could write a cronjob that checks every 10 minutes and sends you an email when it changes.
19:08 < Bradipo> That way you can at least reason about what was going on during the 10 minute interval in which it changed.
19:10 < passstab> hmm. I wouldn't really see that in email. I'll need to think of another kind of notification
19:11 < passstab> or add sound effects to the computer.
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19:13 < passstab> How can I check the time I got this snapshot? I know it doesn't really make sense, but I think the timeline might match up.
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19:13 < passstab> or the history of my package upgrades.
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19:25 < passstab> Is there a good way to add sounds on login and shutdown?
19:25 < Bradipo> You can setup a cronjob for it.
19:26 < Bradipo> There's a @reboot string that can appear as a "time".
19:26 < Bradipo> I'm not aware of anything for @shutdown though.
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19:27 < Bradipo> There is /etc/rc.shutdown
19:28 < Bradipo> I suppose on that note, you could also use /etc/rc.local instead of cron.
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19:35 < passstab> I'll just put it in startup with my desktop config. I don't need to mess with stuff outside of home if I don't need to. Only disadvantage is that I will need to remember what I did in the session before if it fails.
19:36 < passstab> Now I just need to find a fun login sound.
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19:43 < passstab> My computer just ran out of power.
19:43 < passstab> I turned it on just now, and the permissions are weird again.
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19:45 < passstab> What can I do now? Where would a script changing permissions be likely to reside?
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19:50 < oldlaptop> Package upgrades go in syslog, IIRC
19:51 < oldlaptop> /etc/rc.local runs on startup (as do some other things that get blown away and replaced on upgrade)
19:51 < oldlaptop> Could maybe be something that messes with it on login? Seems unlikely it'd set it root:wheel in that case
19:52 < thrig> anything you put in cron, etc
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20:00 < passstab> It also might have to do with the improper shutdown? I don't think it happens every time I turn it on.
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20:02 < passstab> Nothing is weird in /etc/rc.conf.local
20:03 < passstab> I don't know about /etc/rc, /etc/rc.conf, or /etc/rc.d though.
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20:05 < passstab> wait.
20:06 < passstab> stat seems to be telling me that /dev/ is in wheel.
20:06 < passstab> ...and that / is.
20:06 < passstab> do I need to burn my machine to the ground and start over?
20:07 < passstab> Am I misinterpreting this?
20:07 < passstab> '$ stat /'
20:07 < passstab> '1024 2 drwxr-xr-x 13 root wheel 3304 512 "Mar 24 16:04:29 2025" "Mar 21 15:14:38 2025" "Mar 21 15:14:38 2025" 16384 4 0 /'
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20:19 < BasketCase> the / dir should be root:wheel
20:19 < passstab> oh, good
20:20 < passstab> should /dev be as well?
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20:20 < sibiria> openbsd does not have a root group
20:20 < BasketCase> yep
20:20 < BasketCase> nope, wheel is who can su
20:20 < passstab> ah, ok
20:20 < BasketCase> and therefore the default for user root
20:21 < sibiria> that's a bit of an openbsd-specific thing. plenty of linuces that have a root group and lets anyone su to root
20:21 < Bradipo> Does anyone have any experience with Cisco WebEX on OpenBSD?
20:22 < passstab> so given that everything else SEEMS to be working fine, should I assume this is strictly an issue with my audio devices?
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20:22 < passstab> are there other devices that shouldn't be in wheel?
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20:26 < sibiria> no one should be in wheel besides root and your wheelie(s)
20:26 < sibiria> if you mean group-owned by wheel, some should be and some should not
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20:26 < Bradipo> I wouldn't worry so much about it... isn't this the role of mtree?
20:26 < sibiria> mtree should spit out mails about changes, yeah
20:27 < Bradipo> If your permissions are wrong, you need to figure out why they are wrong and stop doing it.
20:27 < sibiria> you can also refer to the device backup file to see if anything changed recently
20:29 < passstab> I'm trying. I was assuming that the problem was only effecting audio devices, but I thought I should look into whether anything else was getting messed up.
20:29 < Bradipo> Well, mtree should tell you.
20:30 < Bradipo> Are you getting the output from daily(8)?
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20:31 < Bradipo> From the security script in /usr/libexec/security it looks like:
20:31 < Bradipo>         if (open my $fh, '-|', qw(mtree -e -l -p / -f /etc/mtree/special)) { 
20:31 < Bradipo> So you might be able to run mtree in the same fashion to get some output.
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20:31 < Bradipo> e.g. "mtree -e -l -p / -f /etc/mtree/special"
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20:32 < Bradipo> What files do you have in /etc/mtree ?
20:34 < passstab> $ /etc/mtree/
20:34 < passstab> 4.4BSD.dist    BSD.x11.dist   special
20:34 < Bradipo> Ok, so you just have the "standard" files.
20:35 < Bradipo> So the above command should be sufficient to tell you all the things that have incorrect permissions.
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20:36 < passstab> dev/mem and dev/kmem have gid (2, 0)
20:36 < passstab> That is all I get from that command
20:37 < Bradipo> So I believe that means that the group is wrong.
20:37 < Bradipo> (2, 0) means that mtree expected a GID of 2 but found 0.
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20:41 < sibiria> or the other way around i believe
20:41 < sibiria> those should be in the kmem group (2) rather than wheel
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20:42 < passstab> OK, I fixed that, that mtree command now exits with no output.
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20:44 < passstab> So now I know that the audio devices and the memory both are getting messed up.
20:46  * oldlaptop really wouldn't what /dev/mem or /dev/kmem owned by wheel
20:46 < oldlaptop> Or want.
20:47 < oldlaptop> although given the non-filesystem protections for them it's probably "fine"
20:48 < passstab> yea... I doubt it matters much in practicality, but I would like to solve this one.
20:50 < passstab> I'll reboot to see if that happens again.
20:50 < passstab> brb
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20:55 < passstab> I'm back, and that mtree command still returns nothing.
20:56 < Bradipo> I wouldn't have expected a reboot to change permissions on those devices.
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20:56 < passstab> what would you expect to do that?
20:57 < Bradipo> Well, given that it hasn't ever happened on any of my OpenBSD systems, I expect it's something that *you* are doing. :-)
20:57 < Bradipo> Or at least something that you are doing differently than I do (and I suspect others).
20:57 < passstab> I know that makes sense.
20:57 < Bradipo> I don't run snapshots.
20:57 < Bradipo> If you're running a snapshot, maybe there's a bug.
20:58 < passstab> I know it is probably my fault.
20:58 < Bradipo> Well, possibly.
20:59 < Bradipo> Maybe you've got a malicious process that somehow got installed.
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20:59 < Bradipo> But you're going to have to figure out how it's getting this way, since it's not normal.
21:00 < Bradipo> Maybe one of the packages that you install does it incorrectly.
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21:01 < passstab> I don't have a lot on here, and mostly stuff that is very popular.
21:03 < passstab> firefox, ungoogled chrome, iridium, lemonbar, bspwm, ffmpeg
21:03 < passstab> this is why I'm thinking maybe I need to just burn it all down and start over.
21:04 < passstab> oh, also picom
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21:12 < Bradipo> passstab: You could start over...  If the reason for the changing permissions is because someone has hacked into your system then this would purge them (assuming you don't restore their access).
21:13 < Bradipo> kmem stuff isn't useful anyway unless you've enabled the sysctl, I think.
21:13 < Bradipo> What does: sysctl kern.allowkmem
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21:14 < passstab> Bradipo I should run that?
21:14 < Bradipo> Yeah, it will just tell you what the current setting is.
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21:15 < passstab> 0
21:15 < Bradipo> It should be 0.
21:15 < passstab> good
21:15 < Bradipo> Do you get the daily(8) emails?
21:15 < Bradipo> mtree runs as part of daily(8), so if it changes again, you should be notified.
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21:17 < passstab> Bradipo I don't think so? I looked in /var/mail/root and only saw one message that I think I got on installation.
21:17 < Bradipo> If you are not getting email for some reason, you can also monitor /var/log/security.out
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21:17 < Bradipo> Look at /var/log/security.out and see if it says anything about those files having incorrect ownership/permissions.
21:18 < Bradipo> Of course, you may not have a /var/log/security.out if you don't leave your system running long enough for daily(8) to fire.
21:18 < passstab> There is a lot of stuff in that file.
21:19 < Bradipo> If this is a laptop, you might want to adjust root's crontab to run daily at a different time of day.
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21:23 < passstab> There are a lot of setuid changes and block device changes.
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21:26 < passstab> grepping security.out for audio and mem specifically didn't give anything relevant.
21:27 < Bradipo> How old is the security.out report?
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21:29 < passstab> March 10, before the second time this happened, if not also the first.
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21:32 < Bradipo> If this is a laptop, then you'll want to adjust when daily(8) runs.
21:32 < passstab> I'm not to consistent about when I turn it on.
21:33 < Bradipo> That's fine, different uses.
21:34 < Bradipo> You could have daily(8) run @reboot. :-)
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21:36 < passstab80> Does that make it run when I reboot it in one command, or when I turn it on?
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21:38 < Bradipo> That makes the cronjob run everytime you reboot.
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21:40 < passstab80> I'm looking into it, and some people are saying it is a bad idea to do it on reboot because that is too often.
21:40 < passstab80> Maybe I can just make it happen at a more reasonable time.
21:40 < passstab80> I'm looking into how crontab works.
21:41 < tux0r> man crontab
21:41 < Bradipo> Oh, I agree that it's too often.
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21:41 < Bradipo> My first suggestion was to run at a more reasonable time.
21:41 < passstab80> yes, I'll try that first.
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21:42 < passstab80> tux0r Thanks, that is where I was starting.
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21:45 < passstab80> Is doing it too much a big deal? My thought is that I could, say, triple the frequency of the daily jobs, and assume my machine will be on for at least one of them.
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21:47 < pardis> or pkg_add anacron
21:49 < passstab80> I'll look into that, thank you.
21:49 < Bradipo> You could put a wrapper around them.
21:49 < Bradipo> Who needs anacron when you have cron + shell scripting. :-)
21:50 < pardis> someone who has better things to do than reinvent existing tools
21:50 < Bradipo> Just have your wrapper check to see if it has run within the last 24 hours, if not, permit it to run.
21:50 < passstab80> ok
21:51 < passstab80> that will also be a learning process, but that's why I'm here.:)
21:51 < thrig> otoh I've seen shell scripts go horribly, horribly wrong
21:51 < Bradipo> Sure.
21:52 < ssm_> is www/vimb supposed to spawn 562 dbus sockets is my /tmp directory or is this a linux->not_linux bug
21:52 < passstab80> aye, for some reason, my audio devices keep moving to wheel... :D
21:52 < Bradipo> So it happened again?
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21:52 < passstab80> no, still working atm.
21:53 < passstab80> just agreeing that my writing something is a risk in and of itself.
21:53 < Bradipo> Not really.
21:54 < Bradipo> You can easily tell if daily has run "today" by using something like: find /var/log/daily.out -mtime -1
21:54 < Bradipo> If that returns a file name, then it has run "today".
21:54 < Bradipo> Or at least within the last 24 hours.
21:54 < Bradipo> So you exit the script.  If it hasn't run, then you exec the daily script as normal.
21:55 < Bradipo> Seems like a very short script and unlikely to have serious implications.  Of course you should test it.
21:55 < Bradipo> Then you could have it run once an hour if you want.
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21:56 < passstab80> would it be reasonable to run that at boot?
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21:57 < Bradipo> Actually, not a bad idea, come to think of it.
21:57 < Bradipo> That way it runs @reboot and only does anything if it hasn't run in 24 hours.
21:58 < thrig> also the -s flag helps avoid multiple instances of jobs
21:59 < Bradipo> You could extend it a bit to check for the file before just to make sure that find doesn't return an error: test -f /var/log/daily.out && find /var/log/daily.out -type f -mtime -1
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21:59 < Bradipo> And of course you really want the exit status (which find doesn't provide) so you'll need grep.
22:00 < Bradipo> test -f /var/log/daily.out && find /var/log/daily.out -type f -mtime -1 | fgrep daily.out
22:00 < Bradipo> et voila, anacron.
22:00 < Bradipo> Or at least something that approximates it.
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22:01 < Bradipo> I think I may do this on my laptops. :-)
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22:01 < Bradipo> Now, the one thing you'll need to be aware of... if you change the crontab, you''ll have to "repair" it everytime you upgrade.
22:02 < Bradipo> Because sysmerge will want to change it back.
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22:04 < pardis> wait, why are your audio devices *not* owned by wheel?
22:04 < pardis> you aren't supposed to write to /dev/audio* directly
22:04 < pardis> that's just not how you use audio on OpenBSD
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22:05 < passstab> Bradipo couldn't I just put that as an RC script on top of the others? I'd think they wouldn
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22:05 < passstab> oh, nevermind, that would make it happen too often.
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22:06 < passstab> pardis /dev/audio* should be owned by root, but in the _sndiop group.
22:07 < passstab> for some reason that has changed twice on my machine, rendering audio unusable until I fixed it.
22:09 < pardis> oh right, of course
22:09 < pardis> that sounds like something you've done and forgotten about, since that doesn't happen on a normal system
22:09 < passstab> and, more troublingly, it turned out that mem and kmem also were in wheel.
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22:10 < passstab> that was my assumption the first time, and then it happened again...
22:10 < pardis> I mean a cron job or something you added
22:10 < passstab> still assuming I am at fault, but there is a larger issue.
22:10 < pardis> did you add any /dev/audio* stuff to /etc/fbtab?
22:10 < passstab> I'm only just learning cron now.
22:11 < pardis> maybe grep for /dev/audio in /etc and see if anything suspicious comes up
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22:12 < Bradipo> passstab: Well, sure, you could put the same logic in /etc/rc.local which is run once on each reboot.
22:12 < Bradipo> No need to use cron for this, except, it's already running in cron so you might want to comment it out there.
22:12 < passstab> where would you put it?
22:13 < Bradipo> That's a good question.  Probably crontab since that's where it is "found" normally.
22:13 < Bradipo> If someone else looks at crontab and finds them missing it might be surprising.
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22:20 < passstab> I don't seem to have a /etc/cron* ?
22:21 < Bradipo> Yeah, this isn't Linux.
22:22 < passstab> I was looking at the manpage directly.
22:22 < passstab> I should just use crontab -e?
22:22 < sibiria> yes
22:22 < Bradipo> By default on OpenBSD root's crontab is edited by logging in as root (or using su or something) and then: crontab -e
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22:49 < passstab> Bradipo does this look right?
22:49 < passstab> https://paste.debian.net/1365046/
22:49 < Bradipo> Well, not quite.
22:49 < Bradipo> The logic is backwards for the grep...
22:50 < Bradipo> If find returns anything then that means that the file is less than a day old.
22:50 < Bradipo> The intention is that if grep matches something then you exit the script.
22:51 < Bradipo> Otherwise exec the rest.
22:51 < Bradipo> Oh wait, you have a ! test...
22:52 < passstab> does that ! only apply to the first part though?
22:52 < Bradipo> I don't know does that ! apply to the entire expression?
22:52 < Bradipo> I suspect that maybe it will be fine with the !
22:52 < passstab> I feel like this is a Demorgan's law thing.
22:53 < passstab> how did you do it?
22:53 < Bradipo> I'm currently experimenting with: find /var/log/daily.out -type f -mtime -1 | fgrep daily.out && exit
22:54 < Bradipo> Though, I think I will want to redirect find's stderr just in case the file doesn't exist.
22:54 < Bradipo> e.g. find /var/log/daily.out -type f -mtime -1 2>/dev/null | fgrep daily.out && exit
22:54 < passstab> and in crontab, should I just add the line @reboot $scriptdir?
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22:55 < passstab> (and comment the original)
22:55 < Bradipo> That's one way.  I'm considering just putting the entire script in the crontab. :-)
22:56 < passstab> I figure this way upgrades are slightly simpler when I need to restore it.
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22:56 < Bradipo> Right.
22:57 < passstab> your line is just followed directly by /bin/sh/ /etc/daily?
22:57 < Bradipo> Basically, yes.  Though, I think I would do: exec /bin/sh /etc/daily
22:58 < Bradipo> Just to get rid of an additional process.  Not critical though.
22:59 < passstab> sure, I'll copy that in for now, and check back another time to see if you have made improvements.
23:01 < Bradipo> I'll paste what I have once it's in a working state.
23:02 < passstab> OK, I ran daily once today, so I'll assume I'm fine for now.
23:03 < Bradipo> Well, you should test it.
23:03 < Bradipo> Reboot and see if it runs again, or not.
23:04 < passstab> I didn't put anything in for now.
23:04 < Bradipo> Oh, I see.
23:06 < passstab> I was really hoping to leave the house today. I'll check in later. Thank you very much for the help.
23:07 < quinq> Leaving the house? Is there an emergency like a natural disaster?
23:08 < passstab> no, my roommate needs rootbeer.
23:09 < quinq> oh, right :)
23:09 < Bradipo> Yeah, leave the house, detach from the matrix!
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23:14 < passstab> Bradipo Thanks again, I'll be back in a bit (don't wait for me, I'll catch you at some point.)
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