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15:31 < passstab> How do I set my machine to use the new perfpolicy=auto,auto?
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15:32 < passstab> $ doas sysctl hw.perfpolicy=auto,auto
15:32 < passstab> "hw.perfpolicy: auto -> auto,auto"
15:32 < passstab> But then sysctl still gives "hw.perfpolicy=auto"
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15:37 < pardis> "If the policy contains a comma, the second part specifies an alternative policy used while the system is running on battery."
15:37 < pardis> which implies that if it *doesn't* contain a comma, then there is no alternative policy
15:38 < pardis> so auto should be a synonym for auto,auto
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15:39 < passstab> oooh, I see.
15:41 < passstab> I just saw that the default was remaining the same, so I thought I needed to change something. I must have done this before. Thank you
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15:44 < Bradipo> passstab: Get your fake anacron stuff working?
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15:45 < passstab> Bradipo, I was waiting for you to do it better.
15:45 < Bradipo> lol, well, "better" is a very subjective thing.
15:46 < Bradipo> This is what I currently have on my laptop for daily:
15:46 < Bradipo> @reboot /usr/local/bin/setlock /var/run/maintenance /bin/sh -c 'sleep 120; find /var/log/daily.out -type f -mtime -1 2>/dev/null | fgrep -q daily.out && exit; exec sh /etc/daily'
15:46 < Bradipo> It has one non-base dependency in the "setlock" program.
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15:47 < passstab> What is it?
15:47 < Bradipo> It's a program from daemontools that is like a "gate".
15:47 < Bradipo> Each of my lines in the crontab uses it.
15:47 < Bradipo> e.g. daily, weekly, and monthly.
15:47 < Bradipo> It's to prevent them from all 3 running at the same time.
15:48 < Bradipo> Documentation is: https://cr.yp.to/daemontools/setlock.html
15:48 < pardis> that will not distinguish between daily failures (or interrupted runs) and successes
15:48 < Bradipo> Basically, it locks a file (in this case /var/run/maintenance) and if successfully locked, runs the rest of the arguments.
15:49 < passstab> cool, daemontools isn't a hard sell for me.
15:49 < Bradipo> pardis: It only cares if the job has run less than 24 hours or not.
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15:50 < passstab> are you doing something similar for the weekly and monthly jobs?
15:50 < Bradipo> I'm not sure what it would need to do to "distinguish between failures and successes"?
15:50 < Bradipo> Yes, exactly the same thing for weekly and monthly.
15:50 < Bradipo> Except that I have weekly using "-mtime -7" and monthly is "-mtime -31"
15:50 < Bradipo> Yeah, I know that's not exactly a good "month" definition, but it works for me.
15:51 < passstab> of course
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15:51 < Bradipo> It's also easy to test... just delete /var/log/daily.out and reboot.
15:51 < pardis> it only cares if /var/log/daily.out was modified less than 24 hours ago
15:51 < Bradipo> Then reboot again and it shouldn't run.  You can also touch /var/log/daily.out with an older timestamp.
15:51 < pardis> which can happen if /etc/daily starts, writes one log message and is then interrupted by something
15:52 < pardis> I'm not sure I would call that the job running
15:52 < Bradipo> pardis: I thought daily "staged" things...
15:52 < Bradipo> e.g. it first creates daily.part before daily.out.
15:52 < Bradipo> But neither does cron distinguish between successes and failures, does it?
15:52 < pardis> it does that for each part of the script, and the first part is running daily.local
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15:53 < Bradipo> Rather, the original cron job that runs at a specific time of day doesn't distinguish between success or fail.
15:53 < pardis> indeed, but cron doesn't try to handle the case of ad-hoc reboots
15:53 < pardis> if trying to handle those, I would personally try to handle the case where a reboot interrupts a running job
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15:53 < Bradipo> I see.
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15:53 < Bradipo> Yeah, don't do that. ;-)
15:54 < Bradipo> But sure, that's a valid concern.
15:54 < Bradipo> On that note, is anyone aware of a setlock-like interface in base?
15:54 < pardis> cf. "After the command exits, Anacron records the date (excludes the hour) in a special timestamp file for that job, so it knows when to execute that job again."
15:55 < Bradipo> I'll live with the risk of the job not running because I reboot it too frequently.
15:55 < Bradipo> Or rather, not running to completion.
15:55 < Bradipo> It's already better than it was before because at least now it runs at a predictable time.  Before it wasn't running at all because the job is scheduled at a time when the laptop isn't even running.
15:56 < pardis> sure, but anacron already exists to solve this exact problem, so I'd still just go with that instead of trying to reimplement it and failing to handle cases someone else already did
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15:56 < passstab> Bradipo do you get setlock from freedt?
15:57 < Bradipo> I install from source.  But there's a package that you can install if you want.
15:57 < Bradipo> pkg_add -v daemontools
15:57 < Bradipo> Or has it been purged...
15:57 < Bradipo> I forget which packages are still available.
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15:57 < Bradipo> Yeah, daemontools isn't there.
15:57 < Bradipo> You could install runit.
15:57 < Bradipo> It has a similar mechanism.
15:58 < passstab> I'm guessing a licensing issue, as that seems to be why freedt exists.
15:58 < Bradipo> Well, at least I thought it did...
15:58 < Bradipo> There is no licensing issue with daemontools, it's public domain at this point.
15:58 < passstab> hmm, then I wonder what the point of freedt is.
15:59 < Bradipo> I think there's some bad blood between DJB-ware and OpenBSD.
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15:59 < passstab> claims to just be an isc reimplementation.
15:59 < passstab> that is a shame.
15:59 < pardis> I think it is a licensing issue
15:59 < pardis> it's not legal to put things into the public domain in all jurisdictions
16:00 < Bradipo> That may also be a fair point.
16:00 < pardis> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/sysutils/daemontools/Attic/Makefile
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16:00 < pardis> CVS log says "license does not permit modification"
16:00 < pardis> maybe there used to be a different licence
16:00 < pardis> that's from 2001
16:00 < Bradipo> That was before it was released into public domain.
16:00 < Bradipo> It got released into PD many years later.
16:00 < pardis> right, so it was removed for licensing reasons and I suppose nobody has cared to restore the port since freedt exists anyway
16:01 < Bradipo> Yep.
16:01 < Bradipo> I may be wrong on runit... it seems that it doesn't have a setlock interface... I thought it did.
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16:01 < Bradipo> But again, is there a similar option in base?
16:02 < Bradipo> Seems like something like setlock deserves to be in base.  It's such a useful interface.
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16:02 < passstab> This entire thing should be possible from base. I know we aren't the only laptop users.
16:03 < Bradipo> Most people probably just adjust the times that the cronjobs run.
16:03 < Bradipo> That's the "sensible" thing to do.
16:04 < passstab> but I'm sure many aren't that consistent.
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16:07 < Bradipo> I just looked at /etc/daily and relying on /var/log/daily.out is good enough for "daily.out" output.
16:08 < Bradipo> That file isn't written until the very end of the script when it calls end_part, however...
16:08 < Bradipo> It isn't sufficient for the latter part of the daily script which is /var/log/security.out
16:08 < Bradipo> So I suppose we should be checking the status of /var/log/security.out, not /var/log/daily.out.
16:09 < Bradipo> The window for "loss" is extremely small in my opinion at that point.
16:09 < Bradipo> Because end_part() is extremely small.
16:10 < Bradipo> All it does is setup output for writing to a file and then cat the X.part file so that it goes into that X.out file.
16:11 < Bradipo> But, perhaps an "external" observation mechanism would be better, rather than relying on the implementation details of the various daily, weekly, and monthly scripts...
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16:14 < Bradipo> Furthermore, at the very beginning of the scripts, it wipes out the log file, which basically means that the timestamp on that will get updated immediately, whether or not the job was successful.
16:14 < Bradipo> So yeah, this might need a different approach.
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16:23 < passstab> Bradipo is anacron really bloated?
16:24 < Bradipo> It's more code than I care for.
16:24 < Bradipo> But you have to make that choice.
16:24 < Bradipo> What I'm doing now is just touching a file at the end of the cronjob and checking that for the timestamp.
16:25 < Bradipo> So no more "exec /bin/sh /etc/daily", but rather, "/bin/sh /etc/daily && touch /var/run/daily.run"
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16:26 < Bradipo> Then I just make sure that /var/run/daily.run is old enough to "run again".
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16:28 < moocow9> I have a wireguard server on a VPS with 6 public IPs. 5 of them are routed to wg0 using proxy ARP and one is used for management and the actual tunnel. I can connect to this VPS over wireguard from my laptop using networkmanager and curl ifconfig.me which returns the VPS's shared IP. I recently moved houses and got a new router which I tried to configure as identically as possible to the old one but I cannot curl --interface wg1 ifc
16:28 < moocow9> onfig.me on the router or curl ifconfig.me from a server that is NATed to the wg1 interface. I am using the same /etc/hostname.wg1 file from the old router. Why would this be happening? I am probably missing something obvious but I have been trying for 2 days and haven't gotten it to work. If I manually add a route going through the wireguard tunnel, I can make a connection through it.   
16:28 < moocow9> / 34.160.111.145 is IP of ifconfig.me                                                                    
16:28 < moocow9> router# route add 34.160.111.145 51.81.246.143                                                           
16:28 < moocow9> add host 34.160.111.145: gateway 51.81.246.143                                                           
16:28 < moocow9> router# curl ifconfig.me                                                                                 
16:28 < moocow9> 51.81.246.143
16:28 < moocow9> For additional info, I do not want to route everything through the wireguard tunnel, just one VLAN. I was able to do this just fine with the same pf.conf and hostname files on my old router. Both routers are up-to-date on syspatch and are both running openbsd 7.6 which is the latest release.
16:29 < Bradipo> moocow9: Wow, you type really, really fast.
16:29 < moocow9> I write my messages in vi then copy paste
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16:32 < passstab> So, in all, you have.
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16:33 < Bradipo> I'm testing at the moment...
16:33 < passstab> @reboot /usr/local/bin/setlock /var/run/maintenance /bin/sh -c 'sleep 120; find
16:33 < passstab>  /var/log/daily.out -type f -mtime -1 2>/dev/null | fgrep -q daily.out && exit;
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16:34 < passstab> ok, poke me when you are ready. Thank you
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16:34 < passstab> Is path not loaded when this is run?
16:36 < Bradipo> You mean PATH?
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16:36 < Bradipo> There is a PATH environment variable, yes, the man page details what it is I think.
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16:38 < passstab> yes, I was just wondering why you don't use that in your script.
16:39 < passstab> e.g. /usr/local/bin/setlock
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16:42 < Bradipo> Good question.  Because I didn't know if /usr/local/bin was in PATH or not.
16:43 < passstab> It is, at least on my machine.
16:44 < passstab> that is where installed packages go?
16:44 < Bradipo> Perfect, then I can shorten it.
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16:45 < thrig> a fully qualified path especially in local cron jobs avoids having to do a path search
16:46 < seninha> I replaced the cronjob that parsed authlog and populated a pf(8) table with script kiddies' IP to block with a pair of pf rules: one blocking incoming access to port SSH and the other passing `from any os OpenBSD to port ssh`
16:46 < seninha> Now all the entries in authlog are from myself.
16:46 < seninha> It seems ssh brute-force bots do not use OpenBSD.
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16:59 < thrig> you can also fiddle with the ciphers to exclude such things as libssh
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17:00 < IcePic> seninha: "ten simple tricks to stop ssh scans, you wont believe #7" <- the articles almost write themselves. ;)
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17:05 < RobbieAB> If only my mobile systems were OpenBSD :(
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17:06 < seninha> thrig, but that is at the sshd level, not at pf level, isn't it?
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17:11 < RobbieAB> Why not both?
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17:13 < thrig> or you can just blacklist ssh, and only open it up to a few good ips or subnets
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17:18 < RobbieAB> Maybe mobile client? (I don't actually know what the IP ranges for the various ISPs in the UK are)
17:18 < Bradipo> passstab: Interesting.  That worked for daily, but for weekly, and monthly, apparently those scripts are exiting non-zero.
17:18 < Bradipo> Not sure why.
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17:20 < Bradipo> weekly dies in "start_part Running weekly.local:"
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17:21 < renaud> this kind of keys/ciphers blocks almost every bot: https://gist.github.com/renaudallard/60d038aebb60fe83ddee6c0eedc59d78
17:24 < Bradipo> Hmm, seems that the reason why the script exits 1 is because of line 49 in /etc/weekly.
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17:24 < Bradipo> I wonder why it exits 1...
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17:24 < Bradipo> Seems like that might be a bug in /etc/weekly.
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17:24 < Bradipo> Makes sense that if there is a HUP or a TERM signal that /etc/weekly would exit 1...
17:25 < Bradipo> But to trap 0 (normal script exit) and then turn that into an exit status of 1 seems wrong to me.
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18:03 < Bradipo> passstab: Also, as it turns out, /var/run isn't a good place to store the mark file.
18:03 < Bradipo> It gets cleaned out by /etc/rc on each reboot, so that means they would all run every reboot.
18:03 < Bradipo> I guess /var/log is it.
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18:06 < RobbieAB> /var/lib or /var/cache would make more sense to me.
18:07 < Bradipo> Yeah, /var/lib doesn't exist by default.
18:07 < RobbieAB> Even /var/tmp I guess. 
18:07 < Bradipo> No, no, no.
18:07 < RobbieAB> oops. I missed that when I checked.
18:07 < Bradipo> Unfortunately /var/tmp is no longer different from /tmp
18:08 < RobbieAB> /var/cache though strikes me as the most appropriate
18:08 < Bradipo> Much to my dismay /var/tmp is now just a symbolic link to /tmp
18:08 < Bradipo> Otherwise, yes, I would have used /var/tmp
18:08 < Bradipo> Yeah, maybe I'll go with /var/cache...
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18:09 < Bradipo> Just to avoid cluttering /var/log...
18:09 < RobbieAB> Yeah, /var/log definitely feels wrong to me.
18:09 < Bradipo> But is /var/cache OpenBSD base?  Or is it enabled by some package/port ?
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18:09 < Bradipo> Oh, indeed it's in hier(7).
18:09 < Bradipo> So that's good.
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18:09 < RobbieAB> I was going to say, it's on my alix which only has nethack added.
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18:26 < Bradipo> passstab: Also, complicating matters... none of the scripts /etc/{daily,weekly,monthly} have a normal exit status.
18:27 < Bradipo> So I guess there's no point in using &&
18:27 < Bradipo> Because none of them have a proper exit status under "successful" conditions.
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18:28 < Bradipo> e.g. if daily finds no problems and nothing to report, the last line of the script will cause it to exit non-zero.
18:28 < Bradipo> So the best we can do is claim we have run.
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18:40 < Bradipo> passstab: This is what I've settled on for now:
18:40 < Bradipo> @reboot /usr/local/bin/setlock /var/run/maintenance /bin/sh -c 'sleep 120; find /var/cache/daily.run -type f -mtime -1 2>/dev/null | fgrep -q daily.run && exit; sh /etc/daily; touch /var/cache/daily.run
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18:47 < passstab> Bradipo Thank you
18:48 < Bradipo> No, the quest for the holy grail... a setlock in base.
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18:51 < passstab> I'll put it in later. To test it, I just delete /var/cache/daily.run?
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18:53 < Bradipo> Yeah.  Then reboot, see if it does not update or run.
18:53 < Bradipo> Then remove and reboot and it should run again.
18:54 < passstab> again, I think there should be an option in base to check for skipped cronjobs at boot.
18:54 < passstab> sounds good, thank you
18:55 < passstab> (specifically marked cronjobs, that is)
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19:01 < passstab> I thought you said there is no point in using &&
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19:07 < baby_groot> is there an openbsd content creator you guys recommend on youtube?
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19:09 < ssm_> baby_groot: thfr
19:10 < ssm_> openbsd folk don't hang around on youtube really
19:11 < ssm_> you'll find tourists like a certain "ls" and "mo", but no one seriously involved in the project
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19:11 < Bradipo> baby_groot: I don't even know what a "content creator" is.
19:12 < baby_groot> Bradipo, it is the word youtuber says when they sound more professional I guess
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19:28 < ssm_> <yummy_microwave_frozen_dinner 60s segment> yeah I tried Factor, it sucks
19:30  * jmcunx this is a long commercial
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