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02:20 < passstab> I found this tool vdcron, that looks similar in function to anacron, but is a shell script written primarily for openbsd. https://www.vincentdelft.be/post/post_20241106
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13:57 < metala> Hi, is there a way to power down my old (rv635, hd3650) radeon gpu on my old laptop? I've tried wsconsctl -w display.power=0 but got 'not found'. I saw that there is 'radeon_suspend_kms()' in sys/dev/pci/drm/radeon/radeon_device.c, but I don't know how to trigger it and if it's supported by the system. So far I've managed to set display.screen_off=5000.
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13:57 < sibiria> doesn't x already do this for you when it blanks the screen?
13:57 < metala> s/-w //
13:58 < metala> I don't have X
13:58 < sibiria> oh. then you're possibly in unchartered waters
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13:58 < metala> ok.
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14:34 < ROYGBYTE> I upgraded from 7.5 to 7.6, and the process was kinda sketchy. For instance, the master.passwd was corrupted, which I fixed manually. But idk if there are other casualities. Is there a tool to like, verify an upgrade has been done on a system? Or is that my task, somehow?
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14:38 < sibiria> corrupted how?
14:38 < sibiria> i might be wrong but i don't think sysupgrade touches /etc/passwd directly at all, only indirectly when needed, with usermod/adduser/addgroup/etc.
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14:42 < sibiria> also you can have a look in /var/sysmerge, which should contain a few backups from before you ran sysupgrade
14:43 < sibiria> you can probably also run sysmerge again in diff-mode to see what it has to say
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14:44 < ROYGBYTE> sibiria, it contained garbage text
14:44 < ROYGBYTE> diff-mode, that's what i was looking for.
14:45 < sibiria> that sounds like you might've had a storage hiccup rather than openbsd hiccup
14:45 < ROYGBYTE> I couldn't rebuild passwd with master.passwd using pwd_mkdb
14:45 < ROYGBYTE> sibiria, i'm sure it's something i did :<
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16:00 < passstab> I just moved to the new snapshot and once again, /dev/(k)mem and /dev/audio* were both in the wheel group.
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16:04 < sibiria> living on snapshots come with surprises
16:04 < passstab> The only thing I can think of that is weird about my system is that the upgrade says I can't install openbsd because of a bad boot block.(works fine after I reboot though.)
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16:05 < passstab> I'm ok with that in general, but no one else seems to know of this, so I probably should get a better idea what is going on.
16:07 < passstab> I also can confirm that it hasn't been messed up with every snapshot. The last one went fine.
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16:09 < passstab> again, this is the third time.
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16:15 < Bradipo> passstab: Try installing on a different system and then upgrading to a snapshot to see if it can be repeated.  Might be a bug.
16:16 < Bradipo> By the way, my daily job ran as expected with yesterday's boot up.  It didn't run with today's boot because 24 hours hadn't yet transpired.
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16:19 < passstab41> Bradipo did you know about vdcron?
16:19 < Bradipo> weekly and monthly won't enter the scene for another few days yet.
16:19 < Bradipo> Never heard of vdcron.
16:20 < passstab41> https://www.vincentdelft.be/post/post_20241106
16:20 < Bradipo> Not sure why it would be better than what I'm using now.
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16:20 < passstab41> me neither, I didn't get yours to work yet though.
16:20 < Bradipo> But it's interesting that someone else has come up with their own approach, that's nice.
16:21 < Bradipo> Well, if you aren't comfortable hacking your own scripts, maybe something like anacron or vdcron would be more appropriate.
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16:21 < passstab41> I'll try again, just haven't gotten around to it yet.
16:21 < Bradipo> It's working as I expect at this point, and quite nicely.
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16:22 < passstab41> I agree, somewhat blindly copying you might not be the best idea if it gets too complicated.
16:22 < Bradipo> Yesterday's daily.run has a timestamp of 17:12, so it ran in the afternoon.
16:22 < Bradipo> Yeah, in this case it's not super complicated.
16:22 < Bradipo> It's a one-liner with just a few commands, most of them are in base.
16:23 < Bradipo> I just wish I could get rid of the dependency on a non-base tool.  Again, not that I have a problem with it.
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16:24 < Bradipo> Looking at vdcron, it already has more than I need in this particular case.
16:24 < passstab41> I was confused, did you say I should remove the &&
16:24 < passstab41> ?
16:24 < Bradipo> I don't care so much that my daily runs *every* day, just that it runs at least eventually since the last time I booted.
16:24 < Bradipo> Let me repaste what I have now...
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16:26 < Bradipo> @reboot setlock /var/run/maintenance sh -c 'sleep 120; find /var/cache/daily.run -type f -mtime -1 2>/dev/null | fgrep -q daily.run && exit; sh /etc/daily; touch /var/cache/daily.run'
16:26 < byteskeptical> passstab41: nice find that actually looks pretty good
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16:26 < Bradipo> That && is absolutely necessary because it's the linchpin.
16:27 < passstab41> ok, I did keep it in. I thought you said it didn't do anything, but maybe there was another one.
16:28 < Bradipo> Basically, setlock creates a "maintenance lock" and then runs a shell script.  That script checks whether or not there is a daily.run that is less than 24 hours old.  If it finds a daily.run that is less than 24 hours old, it exits.  Otherwise it proceeds to run the daily script and after daily finishes it updates the timestamp on the daily.run file.
16:29 < Bradipo> There was another on after "sh /etc/daily".  But I found that the various scripts, daily, weekly, and monthly, do not actually have exit statuses that are meaningful, and in fact, are detrimental.
16:29 < Bradipo> So I removed the second &&.
16:30 < byteskeptical> Bradipo: nice I like the simplicity
16:30 < passstab41> I should have just put that line in crontab, and commented the other daily line?
16:31 < Bradipo> byteskeptical: Yeah, that's why I wrote it.  Anacron was too much for me to care about.  And even vdcron seems too much.
16:31 < Bradipo> I don't need bells and whistles.
16:31 < Bradipo> passstab41: Yes, you can just comment out the other one.
16:31 < Bradipo> Keep in mind, you own this, I provide no warranty. ;-)
16:31 < passstab41> Also, I'm noticing that I just got a new snapshot, and the crontab actually stayed as I had modified it.
16:31 < Bradipo> Did you run sysmerge?
16:31 < passstab41> of course
16:32 < Bradipo> I don't think that crontab gets updated unless you run sysmerge.
16:32 < passstab41> ?
16:32 < passstab41> I've just used sysupgrade, is that wrong?
16:32 < byteskeptical> Bradipo: limited lifetime warrantly sounds better
16:32 < Bradipo> I don't run snapshots either, so I'm not sure if that is appropriate for snapshots, but I suspect that it is.
16:33 < Bradipo> I don't know about sysupgrade either, since I don't use it.
16:33 < Bradipo> It might do a sysmerge at the end for you, but if there were no new changes introduced, it wouldn't have anything to "merge".
16:34 < Bradipo> Interesting to note that vdcron is just a shell script.
16:35 < Bradipo> byteskeptical: The simplicity of what I wrote above makes it easy to "audit" and reason about it's correctness without too much fuss.
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16:37 < Bradipo> Someone (pardis) already found a bug with the approach which I then corrected.
16:38 < Bradipo> And he didn't even have to run it, he just looked at the one-liner and determined that daily might never actually run if daily fails part way through (e.g. due to another reboot or something).
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16:39 < Bradipo> passstab: If you wanted, instead of a one-liner like this, you could save out the bulk of a script to an external script that takes some arguments.
16:40 < Bradipo> e.g. 3 arguments.  The name of the script to run, the name of the cache file, and the interval for find.
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16:40 < passstab> sure
16:40 < Bradipo> Or a 4th argument could be the "maintenance lock" file.
16:40 < Bradipo> I think I would actually probably prefer to have that "outside" the script.
16:41 < passstab> FYI, I just did a sysmerge, and the file remained unaffected.
16:41 < Bradipo> Right, it would only go through the merge process I think if new changes were implemented in the crontab.
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16:42 < passstab> I thought they were? I have been editing the file from doas crontab -e
16:43 < Bradipo> I mean if the OpenBSD project introduces changes that are to be included with the next release.
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16:43 < Bradipo> This doesn't happen very often.
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16:43 < passstab> ah, ok
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16:45 < Bradipo> I believe this will give you an idea of how often it is changed: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/etc/crontab
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16:48 < Bradipo> So the last time sysmerge would have had something to do was the 6.7 upgrade.
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17:14 < passstab> Do I need external media to safely repair my filesystem?
17:14 < Bradipo> Does it need repair?
17:15 < passstab> I think so?
17:15 < passstab> $ doas fsck_ffs -p /dev/sd0f
17:15 < passstab> NO WRITE ACCESS
17:15 < pardis> are you trying to fsck a currently mounted filesystem?
17:16 < passstab> oh, that is dumb of me.
17:18 < thrig> fancy filesystems support live fsck but ffs ain't fancy
17:20 < passstab> Is seeing a bunch of unref files a good reason to fsck? (from single user mode) Or is this just handled automatically.
17:21 < passstab> Most of them are in /tmp, which I assume isn't a big deal, but there are a couple in /usr.
17:21 < Bradipo> Well, /usr shouldn't have any unless it crashed during an upgrade or something.
17:22 < Bradipo> Or during pkg_add.
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17:23 < Bradipo> But, usually fsck runs on a reboot and only if it encounters serious problems will it require human intervention.
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17:52 < anelli> hi friends. i'm tryna learn ports by porting software automatic mouth (SAM) while going along the porter's handbook but there's already a port named sam for the plan9 editor (plan9/sam). am working under /usr/ports/mystuff/audio/sam. is it okay for two ports on the system to have the same name if they're under different categories or should i rename my port to something else to avoid collision like 
17:52 < anelli> c64-sam? thx
17:53 < anelli> s/system/tree
17:53 < Bradipo> I don't think they can have the same name unless the Makefile somehow makes it possible for the package name to be different.
17:54 < Bradipo> Might be interesting to see if there are any collisions already in the tree.
17:54 < anelli> yea i was thinking of looking into any existnig cases but didn't know how so i didn't xD. ig i'll rename for now. thxxx
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18:01 < Foxy_> anelli: ports cannot have the same name (distname)
18:02 < Foxy_> and if your sam binary have the same name than plan9/sam port, you must use 'conflicts' keyword in pkg/PLIST
18:06 < anelli> Foxy_: that's fair thx
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18:09 < Bradipo> anelli: There are some examples where there are duplicates in the tree.
18:10 < Bradipo> Well, maybe.
18:11 < Bradipo> Yes, there are...
18:11 < Bradipo> x11/mate vs meta/mate
18:12 < Bradipo> Though, I'm not sure what "meta" is... maybe it's fake.
18:13 < pardis> x11/mate is not a port, it's a directory containing ports
18:13 < Bradipo> Hmm, right.
18:14 < Bradipo> Ok, what about archivers/deco vs misc/deco
18:14 < Bradipo> Maybe they are the same thing...
18:14 < Bradipo> No, they are different.
18:15 < Bradipo> So archivers/deco and misc/deco seem to have the same name in the ports tree, but represent 2 different packages.
18:15 < Bradipo> And they list @conflict
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18:18 < Bradipo> anelli: You could also look at par vs par.  In the ports tree they have archivers/par1cmdline which downloads the "par" tool but then has a PKGNAME that is different from the actual binary.
18:18 < Bradipo> It uses a custom install: ${INSTALL_PROGRAM} ${WRKSRC}/par ${PREFIX}/bin/par1
18:18 < Bradipo> So it calls the program par1 when it gets installed to OpenBSD.
18:19 < Bradipo> They did this because otherwise the par command conflicts with textproc/par
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18:21 < Bradipo> So there is not @conflict with par1cmdline and par because they just renamed the binary.
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21:36 < amadaluzia> hello!
21:39 < sukamu> ayo
21:42 < amadaluzia> i recently had a look at openbsd for potential vm usage (currently hardstuck on nixos and i do not see a way out lol) and i want to ask how wayland support is going before i do anything
21:43 < amadaluzia> i wont mind using Xorg but it would be nice to have WL.
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21:44 < Bradipo> I don't know much about wayland or why it would be beneficial to have.
21:44 < Bradipo> But by default OpenBSD uses xenocara/X.
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21:46 < pardis> for almost all users it doesn't make a shred of difference
21:46 < pardis> it's mainly a concern for developers who have to integrate it into the system (or not)
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21:47 < amadaluzia> i want to argue on the side of security but i only now heard about xenocara. i want to make sure i can make an argument on wayland which isn't covered by xenocara already
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21:48 < amadaluzia> (for example: Xorg keylogging being very easy)
21:49 < Bradipo> I don't know if the use of xenocara will change that, but it might.
21:49 < pardis> xenocara doesn't really do anything on that front afaik, and in any case could not without breaking a lot of existing software
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21:54 < xse> wayland is available but still a recent addition, i saw a new wayland 'scrolling wm' discussed recently on the ports mailing list. sway should be somewhat useable, expect not many programs made for it and most to use xwayland
21:55 < xse> https://codeberg.org/OpenBSD/ports/src/branch/master/wayland
21:57 < xse> 'scrollable-tiling' was the keyword https://marc.info/?t=174110471800004
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22:10 < Posterdati> hi
22:10 < amadaluzia> niri? i actually use that quite a bit
22:12 < Posterdati> no date for the nre release?
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22:46 < vortexx> yay, FTTH operational! Now I need something faster than an APU6 lol
22:47 < Bradipo> Was it hard to get setup?
22:49 < vortexx> once I removed the typos the final config worked instantly. Still on PPPoE though
22:49 < vortexx> the hard part was the activation
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22:51 < Bradipo> What made it hard?
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22:58 < vortexx> what I think were firewall issues. I ended up plugging the laptop straight into the fiber bridge and using OpenBSD to get a simple vlan on top of network if config that worked right away to get to the activation page
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23:07 < vortexx> didn't help that the internal port decided to go completely haywire and drop all packets for some reason, but that was yesterday
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