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02:01 < ROYGBYTE> Where do I find the faq pages (faq(1)?)?
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02:07 < jmcunx> I do not understand the question.  You can use google search for it saying "OpeBSD FAQ".  But are you asking about it being on the harddisk?
02:07 < thrig> faq is only on the web due to maintainership wanting only that
02:07 < ROYGBYTE> > This FAQ is supplemental documentation to the man pages, which are available both in the installed system and online
02:08 < ROYGBYTE> jmcunx, yes on the system itself
02:08 < ROYGBYTE> thrig, do they know the website says differently?
02:08 < ROYGBYTE> i would love to pull up this guide in the terminal
02:08 < ROYGBYTE> it is so very helpful
02:09 < jmcunx> I need to head out soon, but you should be able to download it by using wget
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03:05 < oldlaptop> ROYGBYTE: The entire website (including the FAQ) is in CVS just like the system's source code. You could simply check that out if you want a local copy.
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05:54 < metavoid> Anyone got a RDP server working on OpenBSD?
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07:38 < ssm_> metavoid: ssh x11 forwarding, nvidia gamestream (client, moonlight-qt) work and I use them
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07:43 < ssm_> sunshine (nvidia gamestream server)  should be hypothetically supported it were ported. worth noting sunshine works on any gpu, not just nvidia
07:43 < Rand0m> Hi there, I'm trying to install openbsd on wifi only laptop, and I tried all the tricks online none seems to work for me. I wonder if you can guide me to how I can do that
07:44 < Rand0m> I'm trying to have a usb c ethernet port but doesn't seem to work either
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07:51 < oldlaptop> Rand0m: You'll need to explain what is going wrong.
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07:52 < Rand0m> it is Thinkpad 390 and It comes with wifi only, the wifi is not detected during installation and then I can't install the sets
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07:55 < oldlaptop> The installXX.iso and installXX.fs installation media include the sets. Are you using one of those?
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07:56 < Rand0m> I'm using install76.img on usb
07:56 < Rand0m> should I use the iso instead?
07:57 < oldlaptop> Then you have the sets already. In the language of the installer questions, they're on a disk, and it isn't mounted.
07:57 < oldlaptop> OpenBSD's ISO images are for actual CDs only. (I suppose you could waste a whole DVD on one if you wanted.)
07:57 < Rand0m> I put disk and tried to mount, but it giving device is busy
07:58 < Rand0m> and tried to mount it to /mnt2 as well same thing
07:59 < oldlaptop> What exactly have you done so far?
07:59 < Rand0m> okay I choose Install, and answer the questions till I reach the sets I choose disk, 
08:00 < Rand0m> I'm restarting the process now
08:01 < Rand0m> I have to choose now I U A or S, should I choose I or S and mount first?
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08:04 < oldlaptop> It should just work if you choose 'Install'. Are you sure you're choosing the correct disk?
08:06 < Rand0m> if I choose ? it will list the disks I only have sd0
08:06 < Rand0m> I don't have lot of choices, and by default it is choosing that for me
08:07 < Rand0m> it will ask me it is mounted, and default is no
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08:07 < Rand0m> so I assume it will mount it for me
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08:08 < Rand0m> then asks me for the partition and it chooses a which is /mnt
08:08 < Rand0m> and then it will tell me /dev/sd0a on /mnt2 device busy
08:10 < Rand0m> and if I choose when asked if mounted yes, then it will ask me for the Pathname to the sets and the default is 7.6/amd64 which I don't change
08:11 < oldlaptop> I would expect sd0 to be the machine's fixed disk, unless there's something stopping it from being detected (like an unsupported "RAID" mode - look through the firmware ("BIOS") menus.
08:11 < oldlaptop> Where are you *installing* the system?
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08:12 < Rand0m> you mean the laptop? Lenovo thinkpad x390 https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx/x390/22tp2tx3900
08:13 < Rand0m> there is no RAID
08:15 < lts> Oh man I wish it would have read somewhere more clearly that arm64 gets pkg updates only for -current. Oh well, noticed after only three servers built
08:16 < oldlaptop> Presumably not, but it's not uncommon for laptops to have special settings for the disk controller that stop OpenBSD from finding the disk. (Back when they were all SATA disks it usually was called "RAID" mode, as opposed to AHCI. NVMe machines may have other weird modes - if I recall correctly there's something about "Intel Rapid Storage Technology"?)
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08:39 < rcf> lts: it is one of the annoyances, yes. 
08:40 < rcf> When I do run OpenBSD, it tends to be when I'm mostly using just the base system. With a few packages I can monitor easily. 
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10:15 < vortexx> Rand0m: you're going to need this too: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#WifiOnly
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12:27 < ROYGBYTE> oldlaptop, thank you
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12:32 < seninha> Hi, i have set up a passwordless account for anonymous read-only access to got repositories.  But the security(8) cronjob, when checking the /etc/master.passwd file, always spam mail me “Login anonymous has no password”.  Is a passwordless account the proper way for read-only anonymous access, and how do you set gotd up on your OpenBSD servers and deal with the security(8) warning?
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13:15 < anelli> hi friends. i'm writing my first port and the makefile is gnu-coded. is it okay to patch the makefile as part of the port or should i just use USE_GMAKE? thx
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13:20 < anelli> it has `CC = gcc' too so i think it'll need some editing anyways but not sure
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13:31 < anelli> also is 0554 for files under WRKDIST safe? they get created with 544 but i have a read-only port tree setup so it's owned by _pbuild:_pbuild and i added my user to that group. so to do patches i gave group _pbuild +w on everything via `chmod -R w+g /usr/obj/ports'
13:31 < anelli> sorry meant 664 and 644. i always mix them up
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14:03 < anelli> wrong chat? ToT
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14:32 < ROYGBYTE> anelli, i didn't think so
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16:03 < seninha> anelli, if you can, try to just set make variables on the port makefile, otherwise it is ok to patch Makefile. “ls /usr/ports/*/*/patches/*[Mm]akefile | wc -l” shows 816 such patches here
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16:05 < seninha> There's also the “do-build” and “do-install” targets you can define on the port's makefile
16:14 < anelli> seninha: oh thx a lot for the info
16:15 < anelli> i ended up doing that but seems like it'll be USE_GMAKE afterall cause it's using inference rules with a src/ subdir. i'm tryna do posix make silliness to get it to work without gmake tho xD
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16:28 < seninha> oh, yep. POSIX make do not like to split source and built files
16:30 < anelli> yah
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16:42 < lil_lasagna> I have my make aliased to bmake to make sure I don't do stuff like that on my makefiles
16:42 < lil_lasagna> as a developer
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17:02 < anelli> i don't use lonox anyways so i'm good ig
17:03 < anelli> but that's good. unportable makefiles are a pain
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20:06 < anelli> okay hi. alright so i found a way https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/posix-compliant-makefile-pattern-rules.65372/
20:07 < anelli> it includes something like this ` $(OBJ): src/$(@:.o=.c)' someone in thread says that slashes in targets ar implementation defined tho. i'll look more into it but it works
20:08 < thrig> I tend to use OBJS =          ${SRCS:.c=.o} but then again I'm only using OpenBSD make
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20:13 < anelli> thrig: the whole thing is like
20:14 < anelli> OBJS = reciter.o sam.o render.o main.o debug.o
20:14 < anelli> and then that line
20:14 < anelli> because the sources are under src/
20:14 < anelli> gmake handles it fine but i hate gmake xD
20:15 < anelli> the inference rule was `%.o: src/%.c' so i replaced it with the OBJ trick and `+.SUFFIXES: .c .o' `.c.o:'
20:15 < anelli> srry if i'm confusing i should've just uploaded the makefile 
20:16 < anelli> here http://okturing.com/src/24317/body  (it's for a port for the sam synthesizer. still tryna figure out the license lol)
20:17 < thrig> I don't use src/ subdirs
20:18 < anelli> me neither. just tryna work around this repo
20:18 < thrig> or if I did, I'd have make call make in the subdir
20:18 < anelli> thrig: should i just do that instead or would it be too big a change for a port?
20:19 < anelli> like just mv the Makefile in there and get another makefile to call it or something similar
20:22 < thrig> if it needs gmake then it's probably best to hold your nose and require gmake (unless you can easily remove the gmake and other linuxisms?)
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20:26 < anelli> fair. i mean the makefile works but i'm not sure if the / in target is defined by posix or whatever. checking 
20:26 < anelli> the one i sent doesn't gnu
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20:29 < anelli> yeah rip `Applications shall select target names from the set of characters consisting solely of periods, underscores, digits, and alphabetics from the portable character set (see the Base Definitions volume of POSIX.1-2017, Section 6.1, Portable Character Set).  Implementations may allow other characters in target names as extensions.
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20:42 < anelli> do prerequisties count as targets?
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20:44 < anelli> yes they are. sorry for yapping
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20:49 < seninha> anelli, yes, OpenBSD's make does / in targets.
20:50 < anelli> seninha: i tested it yeah. i just want it to be absolutely portable lol
20:50 < seninha> And setting .SUFFIXES only makes sence when *.o and *.c are all in the same directory.
20:51 < seninha> (and .SUFFIXES already has .o and .c by default)
20:51 < anelli> seninha: yeah bad habit from when i was clearing .SUFFIXES and setting it up manually. thx i'll get rid of it
20:52 < anelli> seninha: i think the tiny loss in portability is worth it instead of getting gmake lol. but i got a question tho. is moving the makefile into src a bad patch?
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20:52 < seninha> run “make -p | grep SUFFIXES” to get the default suffixes
20:52 < seninha> (in any directory, the -p does not need a makefile)
20:53 < anelli> ya i seen it in /usr/share/mk/ thingie
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20:58 < seninha> anelli, if you really want to get rid of the gmake build dependency and the makefile is beyound patching, you can include a “files/Makefile” in your port, and do like graphics/glpng: set “WRKSRC = ${WRKDIST}/src” and “MAKE_FILE = ${FILESDIR}/Makefile”
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20:59 < seninha> Then the ports infrastructure will cd into src/ and use your Makefile instead
21:00 < seninha> Although, as thrig said, sometimes you just need to require gmake. Especially if upstream changes the source files, then you (or the port maintainer) needs to do a cat-and-rat catch game to fix the port makefile according to upstream.
21:05 < anelli> amazing that did it thx <3 you're right it might not be worth it. last change was  like 5 years ago so ig it's fine
21:05 < anelli> wait 8 years ago. on 2017
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22:07 < labrnth> anyone know if the snapshots are still on 7.7-beta?
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22:07 < labrnth> or have things moved to current
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22:12 < phy1729> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh   Still on 7.7-beta
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22:14 < labrnth> phy1729: ahh nice
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