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01:58 < ssm_> Why's chroot under /usr/sbin instead of /sbin?
02:02 < oldlaptop> Doesn't look like it's ever not been in /usr/sbin
02:02 < oldlaptop> at least in the openbsd tree
02:02 < ssm_> netbsd has it under /usr/sbin too
02:03 < oldlaptop> Historically it'd have been thought of as a development tool, not the sort of critically important stuff that goes in /bin and /sbin. (The installer needs it, but that's a separate matter.)
02:04 < thrig> historically /bin filled up so they made a new bin under the user directory to hold the overflow
02:04 < oldlaptop> / ex /usr is the approximate equivalent of a linux-land initrd
02:04 < oldlaptop> (at least in these latter days outside Bell Labs)
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03:21 < passstab> Is the mail from security(8) supposed to list a lot of files in /dev?
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03:25 < passstab> It shows a lot of lines like
03:25 < passstab> Disk /dev/fd0Ba is user root, group wheel, permissions brw-r-----.
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03:27 < passstab> I also don't know why there seem to be so many different drives.
03:30 < passstab> there are about 300 lines like that.
03:30 < ssm_> what's the best driver we have usb wlan devices? urtwn(4)?
03:30 < ssm_> s/have/& for/
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03:33 < ssm_> looks it, paging through usb wlan drivers
03:34 < passstab> I have only one physical drive, but that 300 includes /dev/(fd*, rd*, sd*, vnd* and wd*).
03:36 < pardis> passstab: it's listing those because they are supposed to have group operator and not group wheel
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03:36 < pardis> based on the earlier problems you described, it sounds like you have something chgrping things in /dev to wheel en mass
03:36 < pardis> s/$/e/
03:38 < passstab> parais I agree, still don't know how to find it.
03:38 < passstab> should I really have that many devices?
03:39 < passstab> Also, it didn't list /dev/audio* at all, does that suggest there may be even more /dev entries with issues?
03:40 < pardis> it's normal to have that many device nodes, which do not necessarily correspond to actual devices
03:40 < pardis> and yes, security(8) does not check absolutely everything on the system
03:41 < thrig> the nodes are made by MAKEDEV
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03:54 < passstab> When is MAKEDEV usually run?
03:55 < pardis> at installation or upgrade time
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03:58 < passstab> that could be it then.
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04:14 < Xe> the ISO images published on openbsd.org should work inside a "generic UEFI" aarch64 qemu VM, right?
04:15 < passstab> Where is MAKEDEV in the source?
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04:18 < thrig> /dev/MAKEDEV
04:19 < phy1729> You might want the .fs images
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04:30 < phf> i'm seeing httpd crash with sigsegv when i'm using both authenticate and fastcgi directives. it happens randomly, but predictably. i'm trying to get a core file. i'm not getting a core by running httpd using services, so tried running it in tmux with -dv. i made a mistake and ran it in /root, it crashed, but there was no core, since i guess a process needs write to current directory, and httpd is chrooted to /var/www. am i correct in
04:30 < phf> thinking that if i run httpd from /var/www under tmux with -dv i'll eventually get a core?
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04:30 < passstab> I just wanted to see whether the file has had recent changes, and whether my MAKEDEV is significantly different from that for some reason.
04:31 < passstab> I don't see a way to look at that from the web interface.
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04:34 < pardis> phf: probably, if it is the parent process crashing as root and not one of the underlings
04:34 < pardis> but see kern.nosuidcoredump in sysctl(2), which may be easier
04:37 < phf> it's one of the children, but the variable helps, thank you!
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14:19 < seninha> Hi, the www user is used by httpd or is it an account let for the webadmin to login into?
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14:20 < IcePic> it is for the web service and not for logging in
14:22 < seninha> I see.
14:22 < seninha> I'm gonna add an webadmin account then.
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14:23 < seninha> And set ChrootDirectory in sshd_config(5) for this account to /var/www
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14:39 < seninha> Files on /var/www/htdocs (or whatever the website root is) can be owned by any regular user and group?
14:39 < seninha> (as long as they are readable by www)
14:39 < seninha> their mode are 644
14:40 < pardis> yes, and generally they should not be owned by or writable by www, otherwise a vulnerability in the web server becomes an exploit vector via the web browsers of your users
14:41 < seninha> Thanks :)
14:42 < seninha> I created a webadmin user for me to interact with; I access it with ssh from my laptop and use pax(1) to save files under /var/www/htdocs/
14:43 < seninha> I also set ChrootDirectory for this user to /var/www, and copied /bin/{ksh,pax} to /var/www/bin in order for ssh to work.  Does that step adds any security to that?
14:43 < seninha> *I also set ChrootDirectory in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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15:25 < passstab> Everything I haven't manually changed in /dev is in wheel.
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15:36 < passstab> I also saw that the recent changes effecting MAKEDEV have to do with installboot, which fails on my system. Could that be related?
15:36 < passstab> https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/46a4264aceacfeddad7175a91bb83031b99b32c6
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15:39 < pardis> exceedingly unlikely
15:40 < pardis> that commit is just making installboot also configure UEFI to boot from the installed disk
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15:40 < passstab> ok, any other particular direction I should try?
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16:22 < ROYGBYTE> > Broken dependency: lang/python/3 non existent
16:22 < ROYGBYTE> :S i am trying to install darktable on 7.6
16:23 < ROYGBYTE> there is a line in the Makefile that says "python.port.mk is not included, so hardcoded ,python3 not MODPY_FLAVOR"
16:23 < ROYGBYTE> this is incomprehensible to me
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16:26 < lts> What happens if you pkg_add python?
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16:30 < ROYGBYTE> d'oh: https://marc.info/?t=172855296300005&r=1&w=2
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16:31 < ROYGBYTE> thanks, lts. your comment got me somewhere :)
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16:49 < ROYGBYTE> > darktable 4.8.1: ok
16:49 < ROYGBYTE> :D
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20:03 < brutex> does i need to add some to /etc in some file for packages when i run pkg install, because doesn't find any package?
20:03 < brutex> i have not used obsd 15 years
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20:04 < brutex> who knows?
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20:09 < brutex> and how can i boot it with gpt and uefi? from grub
20:09 < brutex> in /etc/grub.d/40_custom what to add
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20:10 < brutex> chainloader or what
20:10 < brutex> i'ts different from freebsd
20:10 < brutex> menuentry "OpenBSD" {
20:11 < brutex> root=(hd1,5) (that should be)
20:11 < brutex> but no
20:11 < brutex> insmod ufs2
20:11 < brutex> set root=(hd1,gpt5) (that should be)
20:11 < brutex> chainloader /boot/loader.efi
20:11 < brutex> }
20:12 < brutex> or chainloader +1 /bsd.rd /boot/loaderx64.efi i don't know
20:13 < brutex> who know this
20:14 < brutex> it's sd2 and base is on sd2a
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20:41 < vortexx> brutex: pkg_add is the OpenBSD tool for installing packages.
20:41 < vortexx> and for grub I use this: chainloader /EFI/OpenBSD/BOOTX64.EFI
20:42 < vortexx> where I create a dir in the EFI partition for OpenBSD and add the bootx64.efi file to it
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20:43 < vortexx> you don't need "insmod ufs2", that's for freebsd
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20:44 < vortexx> I have insmod part_gpt insmod search_fs_uuid and insmod chain
20:44 < vortexx> also you don't need set root=(hd1,gpt5) either
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20:47 < vortexx> if your installation went properly you have /etc/installurl that sets where the packages are downloaded from btw
20:47 < vortexx> which may be set to a CDN, we prefer to use mirrors as CDNs often have transient issues
20:49 < brutex> mhm
20:49 < brutex> mhm
20:49 < brutex> vortexx: without file to be booted with BOOTx64.EFI with chainloader and bsd.rd does it possible to boot?
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21:05 < vortexx> brutex: please explain more clearly which stage of the installation you are at. Have you managed to install or are you trying to get the install media to boot? Try using the install76.img written with dd (rufus on windows can do this) to a usb drive and boot that if you're stuck
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21:06 < brutex> vortexx: yes i have do this, .img it installs fine, it boots UEFI OS from boot UEFI loader by mb BIOS, but just i want to add it to my ubuntu grub
21:07 < brutex> that is the way just ask does i need to copy from openbsd /loader dir BOOTX64.EFI to /EFI/OpenBSD dir or it's possible with /bsd.rd -r sd* etc. or i need to copy the file..
21:08 < brutex> i just forgot everything
21:08 < brutex> it's pkg_add not pkg install this is from FreeBSD
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21:13 < vortexx> mount your EFI partition, create a EFI/OpenBSD directory, download this file: https://mirror.ungleich.ch/pub/OpenBSD/7.6/amd64/BOOTX64.EFI and copy it to the EFI/OpenBSD directory, and the edit /etc/grub.d/40_custom file to add that chainloader line I gave you above, run update-grub and you should be able to dualboot
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21:16 < waffles> hellooo
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22:01 < vortexx> brutex: if you've really forgotten as much, I'd suggest reading the FAQ, which is in the channel title
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22:17 < oldlaptop> <vortexx> you don't need "insmod ufs2", that's for freebsd
22:17 < oldlaptop> I thought ffs2 (now the default on... all filesystems, right? not just big ones?) *was* what freebsd calls "ufs2"?
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22:18 < oldlaptop> (obviously the rest of that chainloader stanza still doesn't make sense for openbsd)
22:19 < oldlaptop> I wouldn't bother with grub at all on an EFI machine anyway - refind is IMO a lot nicer.
22:20 < oldlaptop> will start BOOTX64.EFI for you just fine, can boot linux all by itself, much more straightforward to configure (IMO) than grub
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22:27 < brynet> oldlaptop: OpenBSD's EFIbootloader is on the ESP, not on a ffs/ufs2 boot filesystem. FreeBSD has a /boot filesystem with some other loader.efi for whatever reason.
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22:31 < brynet> If you absolutely must use grub2, chainload the EFI bootloader, don't use kopenbsd to load a kernel. That is fragile and breaks often, for example when boot args structure changes.
22:32 < brynet> (but seriously, don't use grub2).
22:34 < brynet> things like the entropy seeding don't work, it's really broken.
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22:35 < brynet> Most EFI firmware also has its own boot menu, and in current we actually add a boot entry to NVRAM, you can just use that instead of something like grub2 or refind.
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22:44  * oldlaptop has found grub kopenbsd useful to boot bsd.rd once or twice
22:45 < oldlaptop> even that is probably bound to be broken when you actually need it for something
22:46  * oldlaptop missed that! the installer can actually change boot entries now?!
22:49 < xse> > https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=174325837026974
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22:50 < brynet> yes https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=174000038500585&w=2
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22:50 < brynet> installer changes followed that.
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22:52 < oldlaptop> Pretty slick. Especially if/when that diff to not do "boot coups" goes in
22:53 < brynet> We also put a copy of the efi loaders is now also installed in a BOOT/OPENBSD directory on the ESP, as well as the firmware fallback path. efivar nvram changes don't persist for some reason on some machines..
22:54 < oldlaptop> Almost like the board vendors do not always produce high-quality firmware
22:54 < oldlaptop> (Perish the thought.)
22:55 < pardis> surely if we make a new standard that leaves even more up to vendor interpretation, they'll do the right thing next time
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23:26 < sonya> hmm.. then what'll be if my uefi has no OpenBSD entry at all? i'm using miniroot usb to boot into obsd..
23:31 < mischief> you can add one, it's just a list in the firmware
23:34 < sonya> i'm not getting the case.. example: my obsd boot is from usb miniroot.. i'm upgrading to next-stable via bsd.rd.. and?.. will it notice that default boot is from miniroot or will it screw uefi on sd0?.. thanks..
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23:39 < sonya> anyway, soon i'll see.. need to go..
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23:46 < vortexx> oldlaptop: yes it is but if you're chainloading the filesystem is irrelevant
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