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01:14 < passstab> Is it a bad idea for me to test that MAKEDEV is the thing messing up my permissions?
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01:21 < passstab> Can I run it from a working system, or do I need to use the installer?
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02:02 < brutex> vortexx: thanks
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02:14 < vortexx> passstab: yes you can, it should be fine
02:14 < vortexx> cd /dev/ && sh ./MAKEDEV all
02:15 < vortexx> passstab: if you setup your system to send the daily emails out to your account you can keep track of this, or just read the root mails via mail or some other client on the system
02:18 < oldlaptop> vortexx: indeed - the rest of it doesn't make sense for openbsd (why would freebsd even store EFI executables on an ffs filesystem at all?!?)
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02:37 < passstab> I just ran daily again, and the resulting security log is now noting that many of the drives are in the operator group. (e.g. fd*,rd*, and sd*)
02:37 < passstab> Aren't they supposed to be there?
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02:38 < passstab> For some reason, the root emails are going to the user account. Is that bad?
02:40 < passstab> It isn't forwarding, my root mailbox is empty.
02:40 < thrig> aliases are a thing
02:43 < passstab> ok, I probably did that.
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03:39 < ssm_> dumb question, what is the correct way update my overloaded tables attached to a file? is it just `pfctl -t badhosts -T show >badhosts`? or is there a less annoying way if I have custom entries? (separate table probably)
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14:42 < vortexx> oldlaptop: I think for BIOS booting of FreeBSD via grub you'd need access to the kernel thus the insmod ufs2. Certainly not needed for UEI
14:42 < vortexx> UEFI*
14:43 < pardis> I wouldn't boot any OS other than Linux or Hurd (or, if it's still trying to exist, Debian GNU/kFreeBSD) with GRUB
14:43 < pardis> there's absolutely no reason to for any OS that provides its own bootloader you can chainload
14:43 < vortexx> yet many people o
14:43 < vortexx> do
14:44 < deltahotel> How to mount OpenBSD FFS on linux ?
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14:48 < rcf> deltahotel: you'd use the ufs filesystem type. But don't even think about trying to do it rw 
14:50 < vortexx> deltahotel: mount -t ufs -o 44bsd iirc 
14:50 < deltahotel> I hav
14:51 < vortexx> and you CAN mount rw but you need to recompile the module with that option enabled because of 30 years of fearmongering over this option
14:51 < deltahotel> just want to read data stored on old sdcard
14:51 < rcf> deltahotel: how old is it? Old enough to be disklabel? 
14:51 < deltahotel> "old" 
14:51 < deltahotel>  1 yr
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14:55 < rcf> Then go for it. 
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15:34 < Posterdati> hi
15:34 < Posterdati> still no date for 7.7?
15:34 < pardis> no, IRC is still hotly debating when to release it, but you can be sure we'll have an answer for you if you keep asking here
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15:36 < vortexx> probably around the 23rd of April I reckon
15:37 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20250330230026 happened today
15:39 < Posterdati> :(
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15:46 < seninha> -Dsnap time
15:46  * xse is open to take bets for the exact date
15:46 < Bradipo> What odds?
15:47 < seninha> Let's get it more interesting.
15:47 < seninha> Bets for the exact date +%s
15:47 < Bradipo> How about for the TAI64N?
15:47 < seninha> OpenLottery.
15:47 < anelli> i always has pkg_add -uD snap to spare myself th headache
15:47 < anelli> ^ doesn't fully understand -Dsnap
15:48 < phy1729> Apr 30 07:07:00 MDT 2025
15:50 < seninha> anelli, i did that until i lost an entire day trying to get why pkg_add of my server running -stable was broken (i had coppied my ~/.kshrc with aliases there)
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15:51 < anelli> seninha: RIP
15:51 < seninha> alias pkg_add='pkg_add -Dsnap'
15:51 < anelli> seninha: i wonder why doesn't pkg_add automagically take care of it
15:52 < pardis> it does
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15:52 < pardis> -Dsnap is only needed for the couple of weeks every year when it can't
15:52 < anelli> pardis: i meant this
15:52 < anelli> seninha: that's why i always avoid aliasing a cmd to itself and put it under a different name
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15:52 < seninha> anelli, the beta snapshot is kinda (but not exactly) a release openbsd
15:53 < pardis> not the beta snapshot, pkg_add will still fetch snapshot packages automatically for -beta
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15:53 < pardis> it's briefly when the snapshot identifies as a release that pkg_add has no way to tell it from an actual release
15:54 < anelli> not even with kern.version?
15:54 < anelli> i think it says -beta or somth
15:54 < anelli> idk
15:54 < anelli> seninha: hmm
15:54 < pardis> as I said, when it says -beta pkg_add *does* handle that automatically
15:54 < seninha> You can even move from -current to -release during that time (although i am not sure how not-broken that is)
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15:54 < seninha> pardis, thanks
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15:55 < anelli> pardis: fairs
15:56 < seninha> pardis, I was half wrong then.
15:56 < seninha> I haven't updated the snapshot for some time, so i skipped the beta.
15:56 < anelli> i just updated yesterday. i'm at 610
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15:56 < anelli> i wonder why the number is so low lol
15:57 < anelli> afaik snapshots get generated every like couple of days?
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18:00 < passstab> ugh, writing
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