--- Log opened Tue Apr 01 00:00:23 2025
00:04 < anelli> hi friends. i'm working on adding flavor support to this http://okturing.com/src/24353/body makefile but it don't have ./configure. should i sed CFLAGS and LFLAGS to the commented values for no_sdl or find the line number with grep and uncomment the 2 lines after it that turn off sdl? i'm feeling i'm approaching it wrong so thought i'd ask. thx
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00:12 < anelli> talking about the `# libsdl present' and `# no libsdl present' part
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01:23 < passstab> Same thing again after sysupgrade, every single thing in /dev, except for console, rsd0c, and ttyp0 is in wheel.
01:24 < passstab> I notice the permissions themselves do vary though.
01:26 < passstab> and manually running makedev doesn't do anything to fix it.
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01:31 < BasketCase> passstab: if you delete an entry from  /dev and then MAKEDEV it does it get made?  correctly?
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01:37 < passstab> BasketCase good idea, I just tried deleting audio2, and it didn't come back
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01:37 < passstab> But where can I go from there?
01:38 < passstab> does that suggest MAKEDEV isn't actually doing anything?
01:38 < BasketCase> did you MAKEDEV audio2 ?
01:39 < passstab> I did MAKEDEV all
01:40 < passstab> just tried that, and still nothing.
01:41 < BasketCase> well, for me that makes audio[1234]
01:41 < BasketCase> err, audio[0123]
01:41 < passstab> hmm, not for me.
01:42 < passstab> should I turn on the echo-only debugging?
01:42 < BasketCase> but no errors?
01:42 < passstab> no
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01:43 < BasketCase> I haven't really analyzed the script but sure
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01:45 < passstab> weird, I do that and get
01:45 < passstab> rm -f audio2 audioctl2;mknod -m 660 audio2 c 42 2 -m 660 audioctl2 c 42 194&& chgrp _sndiop audio2 && chgrp _sndiop audioctl2
01:46 < BasketCase> is one of those commands failing causing the others to not happen?
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01:48 < passstab> And when I do the same for audio0(which I haven't deleted), I get the the same line (s/2/0/), but the permissions still are the same.
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01:49 < BasketCase> do 'mknod -m 660 audio2 c 42 2 -m 660 audioctl2 c 42 194' then 'echo $?'
01:49 < BasketCase> (after deleting them)
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01:51 < passstab> BasketCase mknod said both files exist, and echo $? gave 1
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01:52 < BasketCase> ok, delete them and try again
01:52 < passstab> I did, I don't know why it said that.
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01:53 < passstab> rm /dev/audio2 and rm /dev/audioctl2, right?
01:53 < BasketCase> right
01:55 < passstab> both of those said no such file or directory.
01:55 < BasketCase> are you doing this in /dev?
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01:56 < passstab> ...oh...
01:56 < BasketCase> I believe the MAKEDEV script assumes that you are in /dev
01:56 < passstab> yea... I see that now.
01:57 < BasketCase> at least the part that I pasted does
02:00 < passstab> OK, I will hope I can clean up my poor home directory later.
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02:01 < passstab> doing that mkod command and the echo gave 0.
02:02 < passstab> And it did create the file, but it is still owned by wheel.
02:02 < BasketCase> ok, now try the 'chgrp _sndiop audio2 && chgrp _sndiop audioctl2'
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02:03 < BasketCase> and then 'ls -l audio2 audioctl2'
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02:05 < passstab> weird, it changed audio2, but it said operation not permitted for audioctl2.
02:06 < passstab> oooh
02:06 < BasketCase> interesting
02:07 < passstab> it DID work when I put that in manually instead of as after the &&
02:07 < passstab> I wonder if I skrewed up my root shell?
02:07 < BasketCase> what is your root shell?
02:08 < passstab> how do I check that?
02:08 < BasketCase> getent passwd root
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02:09 < passstab> ugh
02:09 < passstab> root:*:0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/ksh
02:09 < BasketCase> you could also try something simple like 'true && echo worked || echo broke' vs 'false && echo worked || echo broke'
02:09 < BasketCase> that is the norm
02:10 < BasketCase> (for OpenBSD)
02:10 < passstab> oh, I thought that it was supposed to have sh, not ksh.
02:10 < BasketCase> they are the same and MAKEDEV has #!/bin/sh - anyway
02:12 < passstab> That just gave worked worked
02:13 < BasketCase> interesting, the false one should have said broke
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02:14 < BasketCase> if you have a /root/.profile compare it with the one in /etc/skel to see if there are any customizations
02:15 < BasketCase> https://bpa.st/2NIA
02:16 < passstab> There are, I'll paste in a second.
02:17 < passstab> https://bpa.st/ADNA
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02:18 < passstab> I got the same, I'm sorry, I thought I was supposed to enter the line before as a single line.
02:20 < BasketCase> whew, I have no idea what would cause false to not fail other than someone replacing it
02:22 < BasketCase> well, your .profile looks reasonable (assuming that 'n' by itself was a paste error and it actually goes on the previous line
02:23 < BasketCase> I made it my .profile and ran ksh.  my MAKEDEV still makes audio2 correctly
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02:24 < passstab> looking at the end of MAKEDEV suggests that echo-only means that the script doesn't do anything else?
02:26 < BasketCase> yes, echo only means it doesn't actually do anything
02:26 < passstab> now that I ran it again from the correct directory not in echo mode, the permissions suddenly look better.
02:26 < passstab> I guess I just need to do that after a sysupgrade.
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02:29 < passstab> BasketCase does this look about right?
02:29 < BasketCase> sounds like it
02:29 < passstab> ls -l | grep wheel | wc -l
02:29 < passstab> 381
02:30 < BasketCase> ls -l /dev/ | awk '{print $4}' | sort -u
02:30 < BasketCase> that will show all the group names that are in there
02:31 < BasketCase> my version of your command shows 379
02:31 < passstab> _sndiop dialer kmem operator wheel
02:31 < passstab> close enough, I hope
02:31 < BasketCase> same list here
02:31 < passstab> Now I just need to clean my home directory :'(
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02:46 < passstab> On a far less interesting note, how do I close a popup in firefox in bspwm?
02:47 < passstab> When I close it as a window, the entire browser is closed.
02:48 < passstab> BasketCase Also, thank you very much for helping finally come to a sort of resolution for something that has bothered me for a while.
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02:51 < BasketCase> np, kinda surprised the script doesn't handle not being run in /dev
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03:28 < passstab> I wonder whether there is a reason someone would want to run it elsewhere.
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10:23 < mornfall> is there a reasonably simple way to get the IP address of an interface from a script, other than parsing ifconfig output?
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10:28 < renaud> mornfall: you mean different from ifconfig egress | awk '/inet / {print $2}' ??
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10:31 < mornfall> the best i'd hope for is to autorun something on IP changes and give me the IP as a parameter, but ifstated doesn't seem to be able to do that :\
10:32 < mornfall> neither can i see anything in dhcpleased
10:32 < mornfall> worst case i suppose i can write a C program
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10:33 < renaud> you can store the IP in a file, then compare current one to the one in file every X using ifstated
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10:34 < renaud> or even in a variable, that should be doable with ifstated
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10:37 < renaud> you can also get the IP from /var/db/dhcpleased/ifname
10:37 < renaud> if using dhcp of course
10:38 < mornfall> yeah, i am thinking along the lines of putting a kevent on the dhcpleased state file
10:40 < renaud> what are you trying to achieve? DDNS?
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10:40 < renaud> or the usual, my ISP is crap and this cable modem didn't give me a new IP again
10:40 < mornfall> fixing up etherip endpoints on a laptop
10:41 < mornfall> i was using wireguard, but it's super unreliable (e.g. between my home and my vps, any packets over 400 bytes get quietly dropped)
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10:42 < mornfall> probably due to udp shenanigans at some point along the route
10:43 < renaud> I find wireguard to be very stable, I even replaced most my ipsec links with it
10:43 < mornfall> surprisingly, ipsec works okay, but for etherip to work over ipsec, i need to set the tunnel endpoints on the etherip device to match the ipsec flow
10:44 < renaud> did you try vxlan over ipsec?
10:44 < mornfall> hmmm, that might be an improvement over etherip… i'll try, thanks for the tip
10:45 < renaud> I had good results with vxlan
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10:47 < renaud> if you are trying to pass russia firewall, only ocserv will work correctly (just saying just in case) :)
10:49 < mornfall> nah the traffic is all within EU … it's likely just some ISP being unreasonable
10:49 < mornfall> they aren't very good with UDP (perhaps outside of multimedia uses)
10:51 < renaud> you can also use a lower MTU, but it's not great performance wise
10:52 < ROYGBYTE> How do I prevent a package from updating?
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10:54 < mornfall> well, when i set mtu to 400 and ran ssh, the computer immediately rebooted (not even ddb)… no idea what happened there
10:54 < mornfall> i might just be cursed
10:54 < mornfall> that was yesterday, anyway… at that point, i set out to try ipsec instead
10:55 < renaud> try vxlan over ipsec, it generally works quite fine
10:55 < mornfall> ipsec with nat-t somewhat surprisingly works, but perhaps that's because cisco or whoever uses it
10:57 < sibiria> ROYGBYTE: not possible i think. you can manually update a specific set of packages, though. a bit clumsy but it works. be careful with -U because it may implicitly update the package you want to lock
10:57 < dlg> mtu is the problem with wg?
10:58 < mornfall> well, sort of though not quite… the problem is that packets that should pass get lost in transit
10:58 < mornfall> over a certain size
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11:00 < dlg> gross
11:00 < mornfall> it also doesn't happen with icmp packets, only udp packets, and apparently not all udp packets either
11:00 < dlg> and you tried ipsec?
11:00 < mornfall> i have no idea what is really going on, and i don't quite feel like debugging
11:00 < mornfall> yeah ipsec seems to be doing fine
11:00 < mornfall> i _could_ run wg over ipsec, but that's a little… convoluted
11:01 < ROYGBYTE> sibiria, thanks. weird limitation, imho
11:01 < dlg> what's wg give you that ipsec doesnt?
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11:02 < mornfall> nothing really… it's already set up and putting ipsec below seems easy enough
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11:02 < sibiria> ROYGBYTE: i agree in a way. though it's one of those less-used features of a ports system so not surprising it's missing given the small developer crowd
11:02 < mornfall> i mean it used to work, but it kept falling apart due to various udp-related problems on various networks, which is why i'm looking for a replacement
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11:03 < mornfall> worst-case scenario, i'll just set up openvpn over tcp
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11:04 < ROYGBYTE> sibiria, fair. what makes me the outlier, needing this feature? maybe i am 'doing something wrong'
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11:04 < sibiria> ROYGBYTE: nothing. it's just a fringe case, most regular users rarely run into the situation of wanting to tie a package to a certain version
11:05 < sibiria> i suppose you could try doing a "two-stage rocket" out of it - update all packages, then downgrade the one you want to tie
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11:05 < sibiria> at least i tihnk you will be able to go for a specific version with "-D downgrade pkgname"
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11:10 < ROYGBYTE> my mind went towards another approach: get a list of all installed packages, do an inverted grep for the package i want to keep stuck, and then use the resulting list as arguments into pkg_add -u
11:11 < ROYGBYTE> but what a horrible way to live, i think.
11:11 < pardis> if this is something you want long-term and not just a hack for now, you can also modify the port to either change the name or bump the epoch and rebuild it
11:11 < pardis> then pkg_add will not consider the updates on the mirrors
11:11 < mornfall> ROYGBYTE: that'll probably not work well for depended-upon packages
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11:12 < sibiria> as soon as your tied-down package is a dependency there will indeed be some splashes
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11:20 < ROYGBYTE> all this is telling me the approach is wrong. if i need a package at a certain version, i should probably be building from source.
11:21 < ROYGBYTE> otherwise, in effect i'd just be using the package manager to install the package, which is really one of many tasks the package manager is charged to do
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11:55 < sonya> ROYGBYTE: "build from src and have a local install" - exactly, instead of messing with 'pkg_add'.. also, if spec'ed version require special/standalone libs, add into /etc/rc.local smth like: /sbin/ldconfig -m /path/to/local/libs
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12:02 < IcePic> make sure to read manpage for ldconfig, if you screw it up, lots of things are going to get bad quickly
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12:05 < IcePic> one of those programs (like killall) that are both quite unforgiving and also different on diff. OSes
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12:07 < renaud> pkill is also quite different on various OSes
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13:51 < fart_cat> do u know how to type emojis?
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13:52 < pardis> char * should be fine
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13:56 < mg> 😏
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16:39 < mornfall> whee, one new daemon and one patched iked later, things are looking up…
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16:40 < mornfall> so, anyone knows if there is any way to restrict ipsec flows to the peer address (i.e. copy whatever negotiated 'peer' ends up being into from/to fields of the flow)?
16:42 < mornfall> because if i leave it as 'from any to any' in iked.conf, i get overlapping flow specs and the last one to arrive gobbles up all packets, regardless of their destination… and i can't hardcode remote endpoint IPs into iked.conf on the concentrator
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17:03 < sonya> mornfall: may be examples in man 5 iked.conf could help?
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17:35 < vortexx> it's patch tuesday btw
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17:37 < thrig> good thing we have robust and well-tested XML libraries, and that XML isn't a dumpster fire
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19:45 < betabug> I'm sure some people live well off XML (e.g. maintaining old code bases etc.)
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20:19 < vortexx> damn yet another update to thunerbird in -stable ... the last few weeks there's been so many
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22:31 < usagi_mimi> Hello, I think I might have stumbled upon a bug but I'm unsure if it's already known.
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22:33 < usagi_mimi> On -current on my machine when it reboots for the upgrade the first time it always gets stuck at "scsibus1 at softraid0: 256 targets". If I manually power off and back on the machine it will come back up and get through the entire upgrade.
22:33 < usagi_mimi> I've had it happen 3 or 4 times in the past few weeks. I don't know if this is expected behavoir. 
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22:35 < usagi_mimi> Once I let it sit for about 10 minutes to see if it would eventually pass but it never did. So now I've just taken to manually powering it down.
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22:45 < anelli> usagi_mimi: can reporduce on t480. happens every time i sysupgrade
22:48 < anelli> here's my current system's dmesg if that matters http://okturing.com/src/24382/body 
22:49 < rewtkid> hi, so i have an OpenBSD VM, or well, VPS, it seems to be running at the proper CPU frequency, but sysctl returns `hw.cpuspeed=162` constantly, even after configuring obsdfreqd and apmd. and in my dmesg (https://up.syn.rip/f/mvclq/dmesg1.txt) you can see it also reports an incorrect frequency.
22:49 < rewtkid> has anyone else experienced this?
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22:52 < usagi_mimi> anelli: I'm also on a Thinkpad. A T14
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22:52 < usagi_mimi> I don't know what to do to debug it aside from send in a dmesg as well. I guess it only happens on warm boot. On a cold boot is goes through as expected
22:52 < emmatebibyte> how does the _relayd user bind relayd to lower ports usually reserved for root
22:53 < uwharrie> it doesn't
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22:54 < emmatebibyte> but i have relayd bind to ports 80 and 443 on my setup
22:54 < emmatebibyte> and it works fine
22:56 < uwharrie> relayd isn't started as the _relayd user
22:56 < emmatebibyte> i seee
22:57 < systemdsucks> the process drop privileges
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22:58 < emmatebibyte> ty
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23:00 < uwharrie> see https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.sbin/relayd/relayd.c#L126 and https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.sbin/relayd/relayd.c#L203 and https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.sbin/relayd/proc.c#L550
23:00 < systemdsucks> he's gone
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23:03 < usagi_mimi> I'll check the mailing list tomorrow. If anyone knows if this bug on upgrades has been reported please leave a message here so I don't waste anyone's time when I send it in
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23:11 < anelli> usagi_mimi: alrighty. goodluck :)
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23:15 < anelli> anyone knows how to run a 2nd xenodm under ttyC5? i'm planning on running xenodm on both ttyC4 and ttyC5 logged in under different users. i was told that only one session can have accelerated graphics so i don't mind the second (ttyC5) session working without them. it's for X session separation as i'll be running proprietary games on ttyC4 and regular stuff on ttyC5. thx
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23:32 < Bradipo> anelli: Why not just run Xephyr? :-)
23:33 < Bradipo> Then you can have X in X.
23:33 < Bradipo> Otherwise, have a look at /etc/X11/xenodm/Xservers
23:33 < Bradipo> You might just need to define a second one there.
23:34 < anelli> Bradipo: oh i should try it. does it have good isolation so that clients under it don't keylog clients under xenodm?
23:35 < Bradipo> also, see xenodm(1) man page.
23:35 < anelli> o thx i'm reading it rn
23:35 < Bradipo> I'm not sure about "isolation".  But perhaps.
23:35 < Bradipo> Keep in mind that there are some things like GiveConsole and TakeConsole that want to make changes to devices...
23:36 < Bradipo> So I'm not sure what happens if you have 2 different users logging in.
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23:36 < Bradipo> It might be possible that you can have different configurations for different vty.
23:36 < anelli> hmm guess i'll test and c. i'll read more about xephyr too as it seems easier to setup
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23:37 < Bradipo> Xephyr is definitely easier to run.
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23:37 < Bradipo> But if you want true isolation, obviously another xenodm would be better.
23:40 < anelli> yeah
23:40  * anelli tries hard to not mention the way of land here
23:41 < usagi_mimi> I had something similar running under gentoo linux with xorg long ago but I do not remember the details I'm afraid. I do know it's possible.
23:43 < anelli> i think someone linked me a script at #openbsd-gaming but i lost it lol. learning xenodm would be beneficial anyways
23:45 < usagi_mimi> What you want is called multiseat and you can have both (or however many "seats" you want) on the same GPU
23:46 < usagi_mimi> IIRC you'll need to write some config files to define different devices (monitors, keyboards, mouse) to which "seat".
23:46 < usagi_mimi> When I had it set up I had two users using the same workstation at the same time with their own input and display devices. It worked fine.
23:49 < usagi_mimi> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Multiseat I'm pretty sure this is the wiki article I based my old config on. Should give you a good starting point. 
23:50 < anelli> o i recall reading about this. thx for the link i'll c if it's possible on obsd
23:51 < usagi_mimi> It should be possible. The only thing I'm not sure about is the audio stuff. Everything else should be the same assuming that article hasn't been updated to only follow systemd/loginctl stuff. I had this going years ago before that was a thing.
23:51 < usagi_mimi> What I did was have each seat use its own soundcard but all other resources were shared excluding input and display devices. That system had 4 soundcards in it anyway so I had plenty to spare.
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23:54 < anelli> wow
23:54 < usagi_mimi> I'm not a Xenocara expert by any means but as far as I can tell it works just like th Xorg I'm used to. The main difference I can see is building it.
23:56 < anelli> ig sound wont be hard
23:57 < anelli> i'll copy the cookie to the other user like it's done with mpd
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23:59 < Bradipo> The only thing I can think of that's worse than linking to ubuntu wikis for OpenBSD is linking to calomel... lol.
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