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00:00 < usagi_mimi> It's helpful to have an overview of what you're getting into. Although yes that article is really bad but the older revisions pre-2015 or so are not.
00:01 < usagi_mimi> It assumes systemd now and auto config. You'll most likely have to configure it manually.
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00:01 < anelli> my current adhoc solution is doing main activities from framebuffer and gaming on x11 xD
00:01 < usagi_mimi> If I'd done it with OpenBSD before I would try to be more helpful. I haven't had to do multiseat in awhile.
00:02 < anelli> gets boring quick tho
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00:03 < usagi_mimi> why not just have a dedicated tag/workspace for gaming in your WM or DE?
00:03 < usagi_mimi> if there isn't two real users there isn't much point in doing it that way
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00:05 < anelli> usagi_mimi: it's cause i already created a /home/gamer so that proprietary code can't read my stuff. and from what i read, x clients can snoop on eachother 
00:07 < usagi_mimi> I'm going to be honest. You're better off having a dedicated computer for gaming if that's your concern. Least headache. 
00:08 < anelli> usagi_mimi: i was doing that :)
00:09 < anelli> but i was like i wanna try 9front! and put it on my main then moved obsd on the gaming machine
00:09 < anelli> maybe in the future when i get a 3rd laptop
00:09 < anelli> x200 my beloved 
00:10 < usagi_mimi> I've been wanting to get a dedicated server with a good GPU for gaming then run multiseat config to pipe audio+video to multiple rooms and input devices back. I did all the wiring for it a few years ago but I never get around to buying the actual computer I want due to GPU prices.
00:11 < usagi_mimi> My plan was to support 2-4 users with that config with a powered usb hub under each TV in different rooms for the input devices.
00:12 < anelli> sad
00:12 < anelli> usagi_mimi: sounds like ur setting up a cybercafe :b
00:12 < usagi_mimi> I already have something similar going with my gaming PC hooked up to 3 different monitors. One of the desk. The other two in bedroom/living room with powered hubs under them for the input devices.
00:12 < anelli> hehe terminals moment
00:13 < usagi_mimi> It's basically the same set-up as modern arcades use yeah. Although most of them use some kind of Windows OS from what I know. I haven't talked anyone into letting me back into the actual server room. I know casinos are the same way now.
00:14 < usagi_mimi> Anyway I don't see any reason why you can't have it on OpenBSD if you really really want it. I just wouldn't expect the kind of security you're thinking you'll get out of it.
00:14 < anelli> dw i'm stubborn about gaming on obsd
00:14 < anelli> even if it'd be a separate laptop it'll still be obsd
00:15 < anelli> yeah x isolation vs different machine is a compromise
00:15 < anelli> mayb i' just setup a gaming time and log in/out hehe
00:16 < usagi_mimi> you can try to isolate it in a chroot but you'll still have the problem of it needing access to input devices and output devices. Frankly though I don't buy into the "x is not as secure as this new stuff argument" because at the end of the day everything has the same issue.
00:16 < anelli> but yeah will read xenodm and xephyr ad stuff. it'd be a good stopgap till i get one more laptop
00:16 < anelli> usagi_mimi: no need for a chroot
00:16 < anelli> my /home/noodle is 700 so i'm good
00:16 < Bradipo> There may be some discussion about running isolated X on @misc
00:17 < anelli> Bradipo: i think lemme c. tbh the marc.info search engine thing is very bad sorry xD
00:17 < anelli> nvm i'm 750 but i think it fine 
00:18 < usagi_mimi> the only time I ever tried to isolate X was for a web browser and everyone did it in chroot/jail
00:18 < anelli> fairs
00:18 < anelli> i should chroot my browsers
00:19 < usagi_mimi> what kind of game are you worried about snooping on the rest of your stuff anyway?
00:19 < anelli> all
00:19 < anelli> like
00:19 < anelli> i'm running stuff with indierunner and it runs c# bytecode i think
00:19 < anelli> among other proprietary stuff
00:20 < usagi_mimi> ah
00:20 < anelli> proprietary games. i run normal games under my user
00:20 < anelli> s/normal/foss/
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00:20 < usagi_mimi> The only game I play anymore pushed a patch last year for remote code execution. I couldn't believe it had that kind of issue because its netcode is very simple and it shouldn't be doing anything like that anyway.
00:20 < anelli> chrooting it sounds hard bc idk i'll be copying a whole lotta lips around lol
00:21 < anelli> usagi_mimi: RIP
00:21 < anelli> yeah you never know
00:21 < anelli> s/lips/libs/ lol
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00:22 < usagi_mimi> https://github.com/ThingsNStuffYouKnow/BBCF-RCE-PoC It was really bad. 
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00:25 < anelli> spooky
00:32 < anelli> can't wait to setup mail. grepping through local mailing lists sounds cool
00:32 < anelli> can one sync like the whole mailing list history or do they only receive the latest mails?
00:38 < Bradipo> Depends on the mailing list.
00:38 < Bradipo> Some mailing lists allow you to request digest versions of the mailing list as a digest of mess/rfc822 attachments.
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00:42 < anelli> Bradipo: o that's cool i'll check on it. thxxx
00:42 < Bradipo> regarding marc.info having terrible search... maybe, maybe not.
00:43 < Bradipo> There are numerous threads that turn up when I search for X11 isolation and other similar terms.
00:43 < Bradipo> Try: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=142676615612510&w=2
00:43 < Bradipo> And some of the links from there.
00:43 < tux0r> if only there was a good way to search inside e-mails 
00:43 < Bradipo> Some say marix is good for that.
00:44 < usagi_mimi> Searching is something I don't think we'll ever perfect people have been complaining about it for as long as I've been on the internet
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00:44 < Bradipo> Recent innovations in popular search engines seem to have made them less useful.
00:44 < tux0r> searching in pre-web protocols works quite well
00:44 < tux0r> it's just the web that sucks
00:44 < tux0r> then again, lol web.
00:45 < usagi_mimi> Well things like google were great at one point. But stuff like search for forums was never that great even when everyone moved on from text files to proper databases
00:45 < usagi_mimi> I think the main problem with google is they dumbed it down for people that don't know what a query is
00:45 < tux0r> google has been overrated since its inception
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00:46 < tux0r> the few web search engines from a time before google that still exist STILL have less horrendous results
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00:46 < tux0r> i honestly don't know why people hate themselves so much that they use google.
00:47 < tux0r> however, the difference between usenet search and web search is that google has a limited index
00:47 < usagi_mimi> google was good at one point around the end of the 90s-early 2000s. But it was a short window. The stuff that pre-dated it was okay but most of it was curated manually.
00:47 < tux0r> there is no "search the whole web", best you can get is "search our portion of an archive of the web"
00:47 < tux0r> nah, google was never good.
00:48 < usagi_mimi> the askjeeves loyalist 
00:48 < usagi_mimi> or altavista perhaps?
00:48 < tux0r> ironically, just last year, i saw a renaissance of link directories
00:48 < tux0r> "ooh" or what it was called
00:48 < tux0r> there must be a reason* for that
00:48 < tux0r> * the shittyness of google
00:48 < usagi_mimi> I'm not a fan of google haha I'm just making fun
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00:49 < tux0r> altavista was lovely
00:49 < usagi_mimi> I miss webrings. It's the main thing I miss about the real web. Well that and the lack of javascript.
00:49 < tux0r> IIRC that's one of those that still exist.
00:49 < usagi_mimi> last time I checked to see if it was alive I think I got 404 
00:49 < tux0r> ah right
00:50 < tux0r> bought and coreled by yahoo
00:50  * tux0r has invented "coreled" for killing software, feel free to plagiarize
00:50 < usagi_mimi> oh right now I remember yahoo consumed it
00:50 < usagi_mimi> you know yahoo is still huge in a few markets
00:51 < tux0r> probably, with the "few markets" being ads
00:51 < usagi_mimi> Japan
00:51 < anelli> > There are numerous threads that turn up when I search for X11 isolation and other similar terms.
00:51 < anelli> Bradipo: o i suck at searching sorry xD thx for link
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00:52 < usagi_mimi> I think yahoo still might be the number one website in Japan. I know it was about 10 years ago. The auctions are really busy and so is the social stuff.
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00:52 < tux0r> japan is weird.
00:52 < usagi_mimi> it's great it's still like being on the web before 2006
00:52 < tux0r> ah well: https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/japan/
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00:53 < usagi_mimi> my guess would be most of the google hits are from android phones
00:54 < usagi_mimi> well that and chrome/firefox defaults
00:55 < anelli> i like how web browser, web search engine, and web searches all got replaced with "google"
00:55 < anelli> average person doesn't even know there's a "chrome" after it sometimes
00:56 < anelli> i think there's a term for it and it's something frowned upon in markets
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00:57 < tux0r> i must be using computers wrong
00:57 < usagi_mimi> it's called genericized trademark
00:57 < anelli> generic trade-
00:57 < anelli> yeah
00:58 < tux0r> however, if you want to keep a safe distance between you and google, the best thing you can do is avoid the web
00:58 < tux0r> try it, the world outside is lovely
00:58 < tux0r> (e.g. the IRC; heh)
00:58 < anelli> personally i try to avoid all social platforms and hang out on forums/lists more
00:58 < tux0r> "colorful" (= web) is the opposite of "interesting" (= internet) IMO
00:58 < anelli> personal websites need a revival
00:59 < usagi_mimi> I rid myself of all social media about 10 years ago now. 
00:59 < tux0r> last week, i had read a blog article by someone who had posted "blogs are dead" a decade earlier, basically stating he was wrong
01:00 < usagi_mimi> The "blogging to make money off google adsense" is dead for sure.
01:00 < tux0r> which is a good thing
01:00 < usagi_mimi> Indeed
01:00 < tux0r> however, now freshly alive is "blogging without writing"
01:00 < tux0r> having AI feeding your SEO
01:00 < tux0r> which is.. ridiculous, to say the least
01:00 < usagi_mimi> Anytime I write something beyond a few words now I get accused of being AI/bot
01:01 < tux0r> "look at me, i think i have a website, no idea what's on it lol"
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01:02 < tux0r> there are numerous evidences that articles written by people with autism are recognized as "probably AI"
01:02 < tux0r> AI detectors are almost as brainfucked as people using AI
01:03 < anelli> the ai revolution and it's consequences
01:03 < usagi_mimi> I think the main issue with people now is most of them can barely pay attention for more than a few seconds so expecting them to read anything beyond a small blurb is hopeless to start with.
01:03 < tux0r> i mean, burning a 3rd world country's yearly energy to write bullshit prose is nice and all, but i wish we could finally have recycling here: AI bots writing AI prose on websites optimized for AI search engines, only to be read by AI bots
01:03 < tux0r> meanwhile, let the humans do less fruitless things
01:04 < anelli> this reminds me 
01:05 < anelli> Nepenthes and co >:)
01:05 < tux0r> yup
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01:06 < tux0r> the last thing not protected against AI shit just yet are my code repositories, but i'm honest with myself here: i pity those who try to auto-complete their useless toy code with my broken stuff
01:06 < tux0r> i poison AI with bad code. take this, robot revolution!
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01:06 < anelli> good. alright so openbsd. i like the fish
01:07 < phy1729> ... anelli read my mind
01:07 < anelli> i printed a 4.4 shirt
01:07 < usagi_mimi> Do any of you guys use sysctl hw.battery.chargestart/stop?  I've set it but it still seems to pull battery off AC if it's plugged in. 
01:07 < anelli> phy1729 :)
01:07 < tux0r> a propos fish: so long, and thanks for the aforementioned sea animal. 3:07 AM here, time for a nap.
01:07 < usagi_mimi> pull battery* I mean pull power obviously. The batter never drops below 96%
01:12 < anelli> pull battery >:)
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01:15 < usagi_mimi> I pulled the A/C and it started dropping. I'll wait and see when it gets back to 40%. Maybe it'll start acting properly then.
01:16 < usagi_mimi> It isn't supposed to draw power after it reaches 60% if I understand this correctly. 
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01:18 < anelli> i got dat baggy opensource drip yo https://pastanoggin.com/up/front2.jpg https://pastanoggin.com/up/back2.jpg
01:18 < anelli> my stupid ass always has backpack when i'm outside so the cool print on the back doesn't show >:(
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01:21  * oldlaptop rather likes the 7.6 sweatshirt
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01:22 < oldlaptop> (order a size maybe a little larger than you'd think, it's not very stretchy)
01:22 < anelli> it do look comfy
01:26 < oldlaptop> much better (the garment, not the art, of course) than the zip-up spring had for 7.0 (which does get recognized more often than most openbsd merchandise, just by art fans, not unix ones)
01:27 < oldlaptop> it's not obvious from a distance that the sky is full of fish
01:28 < usagi_mimi> I don't see it listed on the website
01:29 < anelli> yea i was gon ask how can i see older shirts
01:29 < oldlaptop> Pictures of old spring merch aren't archived that I'm aware of (?). It has a version of the poster on the back. https://www.openbsd.org/images/StarryPointers.png
01:29 < anelli> oh https://www.openbsd.org/tshirts.html
01:29 < anelli> not up to date
01:30 < anelli> oldlaptop: oo looks cute
01:30 < anelli> ppl would think its just the normal van gogh painting or watever it's called
01:30 < anelli> 6.6 shirt goes hard
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01:37 < usagi_mimi> That's a pretty cool t-shirt design
01:38 < usagi_mimi> I'm sad I missed out on the 6.6 t-shirts
01:38 < rewtkid> i really like that 4.4 shirt
01:39 < anelli> same. "PUFFY SHOT FIRST"
01:40 < usagi_mimi> https://www.openbsd.org/images/tshirt-13.jpg I like this one
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01:42 < anelli> sameee
01:43 < anelli> usagi_mimi: i'm scared i'd be labeled a dork tho
01:43 < usagi_mimi> Someone gifted me the "bow before me for I am root" shirt decades ago. I still wear it all of the time. All it does is confuse people.
01:45 < anelli> lmfaooo
01:47 < usagi_mimi> seems it's now out of print
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01:50 < usagi_mimi> Any of you guys with a framework laptop know if there is a trackball options for it and if it's any good?
01:50 < usagi_mimi> I'd pay anything for a laptop with a trackball
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04:17 < aaronj> can anyone recommend good client software / provider for sending SMS messages from openbsd?
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04:29 < fedaykin> aaronj: twilio? takes a few lines of python without any 3rd party deps to send sms, doesn't seem to be very expensive for most countries
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04:30 < fedaykin> takes just one post request
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04:32 < aaronj> yeah I've been looking at twilio
04:32 < aaronj> so just a few lines of python? that sounds pretty convenient fedaykin 
04:35 < k0ga> aaronj: many python dependencies have c compiled
04:35 < aaronj> hm, meaning it'd take a lot of work to rebuild those dependencies on obsd?
04:36 < k0ga> ups ^^!
04:36 < k0ga> I was thinking I was talking in a different channel ^^!
04:36 < k0ga> in obsd should not have a big problem
04:36 < k0ga> s/have/be/
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04:37 < k0ga> aaronj: you asked the same in cat-v, and I mixed both conversations
04:37 < aaronj> gotcha, yeah no problem k0ga . Either system would be ok with me, as long as it works on either plan 9 or openbsd
04:37 < fedaykin> def send_sms(message): url = f"https://api.twilio.com/2010-04-01/Accounts/{ACCOUNT_SID}/Messages.json" auth = (ACCOUNT_SID, AUTH_TOKEN) data = { "From": TWILIO_PHONE, "To": TO_PHONE, "Body": message } response = requests.post(url, data=data, auth=auth)
04:39 < k0ga> aaronj: using the twilio api should be trivial from python, 2 or 3
04:39 < aaronj> yeah maybe I should test it out, and go from there
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04:39 < aaronj> would be nice to have a more open solution but that seems like a decent start
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04:40 < k0ga> aaronj: a modem and at commands
04:40 < k0ga> sending a sms costs money
04:41 < k0ga> you will not find free (as a free neer) api
04:41 < k0ga> s/neer/beer/
04:41 < k0ga> win 14
04:41 < k0ga> ups
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08:33  * polarian hands k0ga a nee... I mean beer
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09:06 < k0ga> xD
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15:15 < sinvet> maybe some generous hacker could show a way to a fellow script kiddie, on what exact command line runs paranoid version of pkg_add update ?
15:15 < Bradipo> paranoid?
15:16 < sinvet> yes theres paranoid version in the documentation I just dont understand it never did it before
15:16 < Bradipo> The man page doesn't have the word "paranoid" in it... so what do you mean?
15:17 < sinvet> damn, someone improved something, some years ago there was such option
15:17 < Bradipo> What did it do?
15:18 < sinvet> no idea, never tried when it was available
15:18 < Bradipo> What did you expect it to do?
15:18 < sinvet> to feel better about myself
15:18 < Bradipo> Why would you want to run a "paranoid version of pkg_add update"?
15:19 < sinvet> Bradipo, so you suggest that fairly safe to run it in standard way ?
15:20 < Bradipo> I don't know what "safe" means.
15:20 < sinvet> or perhaps I do not need an update at this time yet. It's just some ISP related issues
15:20 < phy1729> "remove old "paranoid" option, I'm pretty sure nobody uses it." From 2021
15:20 < Bradipo> I don't use pkg_add update so you may have to wait for someone else to respond.
15:20 < sinvet> Bradipo, I dont know what word safe means as well. It's just a emotional expression
15:21 < Bradipo> I mean, I don't know what "safe" means with respect to pkg_add.
15:21 < sinvet> phy1729, I see
15:21 < phy1729> it didn't run @exec/@unexec? That seems broken; probably for the best it was removed
15:21 < Bradipo> From an old man page: paranoid very safe update: don't run any @exec/@unexec.
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15:22 < Bradipo> If the packages are trusted then it seems like that's not really a useful option.
15:22 < sinvet> I just ran a standard pkg_add -u. seems there was not much to update anyways
15:24 < sinvet> Bradipo, in OpenBSD packages ARE third party.
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15:26 < sinvet> Bradipo, also safe used to mean a metalic container with some kind of mechanical locking system
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15:28 < BasketCase> I run pkg_add -un every day in cron.  when it says there is an update I do the -u manually.  I could probably just have cron do the update but I like doing it myself.
15:29 < anelli> BasketCase: i think that's better. i had it get stuck on the bg tryna upgrade lots of times
15:29 < anelli> stupid me -9 killed it once and broke pkg db
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15:30 < BasketCase> ouch, careful with the -9
15:30 < anelli> yeah xD
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15:32 < sibiria> so these days you get an update every day
15:32 < anelli> idk depends
15:32 < BasketCase> depends on how much stuff you have installed
15:32 < sibiria> since updatedb is rebuilt almost every 24 hours and classifies as a normal available package update
15:32 < anelli> -stable gets less updates
15:32 < BasketCase> my OpenBSD system is a router so updates are pretty rare
15:32 < sibiria> whether you do pkg_add -us or -un, updatedb will show up and look like any other available package update
15:33 < sibiria> i.e. the makeshift "update check" will alert every day
15:36 < anelli> so i think i'm done with the port but the `do-configure' part is bad http://okturing.com/src/24399/body .  `env FLAVOR=no_sdl make' gives me `sed: Makefile: Permission denied'. i checked bsd.port.mk(5) and couldn't find the user that runs the do-configure commands. am i doing this right? (also should i post on @ports isntead? i hav'nt setup my email with the mailing list yet srry)
15:36 < sibiria> so you kinda might as well just skip the update check
15:37 < anelli> lol sorry about the Makefile i realized i haven't fully writted the sed part yet but still it shouldn't be giving permission error
15:37 < anelli> moment
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15:42 < sibiria> BasketCase: no, i mean that every 24 hours you will have one update: quirks/updatedb
15:42 < sibiria> even if you have zero packages installed
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15:42 < anelli> here http://okturing.com/src/24400/body
15:42 < BasketCase> oh, I forgot, I grepped that out
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16:12 < Bradipo> sinvet: I only install packages from OpenBSD mirrors.  And while the packages are third party, what is the source of the @exec/@unexec?
16:13 < Bradipo> In other words, who is writing the portion of the package that applies to @exec/@unexec?
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16:22 < sinvet> Bradipo, independent contributors who at best can only look up on their names and emails and verify if it's possible to trust them. Third party packkages are simply not Theo De Raadt problem.
16:23 < anelli> sinvet: just read the port
16:23 < anelli> sinvet: if you don't trust the build servers build it yourself
16:23 < anelli> trust gotta start somewhere
16:23 < sinvet> apotheon, I dont have time to compile so much, and port is one thing, while compiled package is another dimension
16:23 < anelli> it's the same
16:23 < sinvet> anelli, 
16:24 < phy1729> There's only 75 @exec in the whole ports tree
16:24 < anelli> sinvet: complied pkgs come from the ports tree
16:24 < anelli> sinvet: yeah it's a compromise. spending all time compliling is boring
16:24 < oldlaptop> The same people with commit access to write @exec lines have commit access to make the package do anything else.
16:24 < sinvet> anelli, but how can you know if the one who compiles does not improve it according to his own need and taste ?
16:24 < phy1729> (and a third of those are in tests/portcheck)
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16:25 < anelli> sinvet: they aren't supposed to. idk how bulid servers work but they just build the ports with flavors/subpackages that are listed in the port. they do a bulk build afaik
16:25 < oldlaptop> If you don't trust the OpenBSD build infrastructure and the people who run it, I guess you don't trust the OpenBSD build infrastructure. That's going to be pretty inconvenient if you want to run OpenBSD.
16:26 < anelli> yeah this aint gentoo :b
16:26 < oldlaptop> (For starters you'll need to bootstrap the system yourself, because you don't trust the people and infrastructure that built all existing OpenBSD systems, and after all they could have put a trusting-trust trojan in there.)
16:27 < anelli> i mean you can make it gentoo but you don't get support for self compiled base system iirc
16:27 < anelli> oldlaptop: gotta write your c compiler first :3
16:27 < oldlaptop> anelli: Sure you do. It's the only way to apply errata on some architectures, and was the only way to apply errata at all for many years.
16:27 < sinvet> anelli, what build servers ? they dont exist, they are built on package maintainer hardware
16:28 < anelli> oldlaptop: of didn't know that thx
16:28 < oldlaptop> That is not correct.
16:28 < anelli> s/of/oh
16:28 < oldlaptop> OpenBSD is not debian (and even debian seems to have a strong preference for source-only uploads these days).
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16:29 < anelli> sinvet: idk how the pkg builders do their thing so pardon me if i used wrong terminology
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16:30 < sinvet> anelli, its as simple as in amish paradise as simple as it gets you have a source code and you compile it. When it becomes a binary, then its impossible to be sure if it was done fairly
16:31 < oldlaptop> Packages are built and signed on the project's infrastructure; AIUI (openbsd developers will know far better than me) the actual hardware is kept air-gapped. "Package maintainers" commit to the ports tree.
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16:32 < fro> if it was done fairly?
16:32 < fro> what does that even mean
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16:32 < anelli> sinvet: is pkg signing fair enough?
16:32 < oldlaptop> Note the machines that say "p" for ports (although this image is now far out of date - a lot of those arches are dead now). https://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg
16:33 < sinvet> anelli, how can you know who signed it ?
16:33 < oldlaptop> (sgi is gone, sparc is gone, vax is gone, armish is gone... doesn't leave much of that rack)
16:37 < anelli> sinvet: check /var/db/pkg/$PKGNAME
16:38 < anelli> i think currently signed with openbsd-77-pkg
16:40 < thrig> weird al - armish paradise
16:40  * oldlaptop is a million times more humble than thou art
16:42 < oldlaptop> oh, /arm/ish. that's harder.
16:43 < anelli> thrig: lol love that parody
16:43 < anelli> and word crimes
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16:47 < sinvet> anelli, you have to be joking. Even sysupgrade is literally not checking itselfs signature during reboot, simply because its meaningless.
16:49 < anelli> sinvet: it does?
16:49 < anelli> SHA256.sig
16:49 < anelli> but not during reboot
16:49 < anelli> during download
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16:51 < sinvet> anelli, no it literally doesnt, because it does not make sense to do that
16:52 < anelli> sinvet: unpriv -f SHA256 signify -Ve -x SHA256.sig -m SHA256
16:52 < anelli> lemme check what it checks SHA256.sig against tho. i think it's some pubkey in /etc/signify/
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16:53 < oldlaptop> anelli: It looks for the key immediately above that line.
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16:53 < oldlaptop> (And fetches, and checks the signature of, a new key if it can't find one.)
16:54 < Bradipo> This might work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDwUJa4_IJE&t=471s
16:55 < oldlaptop> (That's at https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/usr.sbin/sysupgrade/sysupgrade.sh#L170 in case you think we're making things up, sinvet. We know you are, of course.)
16:56 < oldlaptop> unpriv is defined up at the top - it's a helper to run commands that process potentially untrusted data as not-root.
16:56 < oldlaptop> (obviously that includes the commands that decide whether the data are trusted or not)
16:56 < anelli> oldlaptop: oh thx a lot for checking
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16:59 < oldlaptop> I suppose you could mean that the *installer* does not check sigatures while it's performing an upgrade. That would indeed be pointless, because sysupgrade will have done that already.
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17:54 < sinvet> oldlaptop, I have never accused anyine here of making things up
17:55 < fro> they didn't say you did
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