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00:06 < usagi_mimi> Yeah it's some difference in GNU sed and BSD sed
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00:19 < anelli> usagi_mimi: use invidious
00:23 < anelli> it can show stuff without js/css if that's what ya need
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00:35 < usagi_mimi> I'm aware of that thanks. I wanted something to use from terminal because I have a machine that can't run a modern web browser but can still run mpv at an acceptable level
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00:35 < usagi_mimi> I have it working. Now I'm mostly just learning about the differences in sed compared to the GNU one I'm so used to. I didn't expect them to be so different.
00:36 < usagi_mimi> I did manage to get it working with regular old grep.
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00:41 < anelli> usagi_mimi: you can use it from the term it just wont have pics
00:41 < anelli> or you can use links2
00:45 < usagi_mimi> I'll keep that in mind but I'm pretty happy with this. I have images working for thumbnails and everything :)
00:46 < anelli> oh good
00:46 < usagi_mimi> It's a nifty little script
00:48 < anelli> wait what does that script do again i wasn't focused xD
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04:11 < usagi_mimi> It can search and browser youtube using your browser cookie and pipe the video into mpv or vlc
04:12 < anelli> oh cool
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11:58 < usagi_mimi> is it normal for firefox to sit and consume 5-15% CPU for hours at a time idling on a blank page?
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11:59 < usagi_mimi> I thought it might be an add-on or the profile so I made a new one but it continues to just chew through CPU for no reason that I can figure out. Are the webkit browsers and/or ungoogle-chrome any better in that respect?
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12:03 < sibiria> usagi_mimi: doesn't sound normal. at least firefox-esr doesn't behave like that on my 7.6 desktop setup
12:04 < sibiria> i mean, it does eat a couple of percentiles when just idling, which is pretty shoddy, but it's just 1-2% at most
12:07 < usagi_mimi> I wonder if it's a bug with the new version I got with pkg_add -u last night. I'm on 137.0
12:07 < usagi_mimi> did you modify about:config flags to force enable WebGL/OpenGL?
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12:10 < sibiria> i run firefox fully accelerated, yes, environment flags and all
12:10 < usagi_mimi> my desktop had the update hit it at the same time. It isn't running OpenBSD but it was doing the same thing for hours until I used an input device then it stopped. I wonder if it's attempting to do something and can't finish
12:11 < usagi_mimi> Alright thanks that's helpful. I'll try to downgrade to ESR and see if it helps anything.
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12:15 < usagi_mimi> it took it a minute to settle down after first run but it's much better. 1-2% idling on the start up page
12:15 < sibiria> top's process list also averages over, i dunno, 15-20 seconds
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12:16 < sibiria> the CPU core enumeration in the upper half of the screen is actual data per refresh, though
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12:24 < sonya> usagi_mimi: here's 7.6 with ff-137.. cpu consumption with idle blank page is indeed a bit high on start, but later it's about zero % of min cpu state..
12:24 < sonya> new profile with several 'non-hungry' addons
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13:03 < usagi_mimi> I figured it out. Believe it or not it is caused by setting any theme other than the system theme
13:03 < usagi_mimi> The theme I had set was just a simple dark mode theme
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13:07 < BasketCase> how dare you try to protect your eyes!
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13:08 < usagi_mimi> my system theme is pretty dark so I can live with it. I might poke around in the few I downloaded later maybe there is something naughty in them.
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13:12 < oldlaptop> there might be an actionable bug report in there somewhere, maybe not even for upstream firefox
13:13 < oldlaptop> (I would suggest ktraceing it to see if it's spamming a syscall or something, but ktraceing browsers is not widely famed as the path to sanity)
13:14 < usagi_mimi> I'll see if I can re-produce it without custom userchrome.css
13:15 < usagi_mimi> although mine only has like 3 lines in it so I doubt it would cause this issue
13:15 < oldlaptop> https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/browser-ktrace-browsing and https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/firefox-vs-rthreads are, uh, classics of the genre
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13:15 < oldlaptop> as is this mail linked from the second one: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=144649333120401&w=2
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13:21 < sonya> usagi_mimi: 'Cheers-Bold' here.. no penalties..
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20:28 < ROYGBYTE> sonya, thanks for the hint about /sbin/ldconfig in /etc/rc.local. I would never have known to do this!
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20:42 < vortexx> Posterdati I have such a config working, but I'm getting my static IP over PPPoE. You needs to find out if it's assigned by DHCP or if you needs a static hostname.if config
20:42 < vortexx> or over PPPoE
20:44 < echelon> what are the supported mirroring fs'es in openbsd currently?
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21:08 < vortexx> echelon: raid1 & 5 via softraid with ffs
21:08 < echelon> cool, thanks
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21:09 < vortexx> you can't boot on raid5 though
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21:14 < echelon> oh, good to know
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21:16 < echelon> how do i diagnose that a drive is failing in a softraid with ffs, and proceed with a rebuild?
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21:20 < echelon> vortexx: i see that fs corruption detection is done at boot, what if i want to do it for removable disks?
21:24 < sonya> man softraid: sysctl + sensorsd (hw.sensors.softraid0.drive#)
21:25 < echelon> thanks
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22:14 < thrig> and check the outputs and drive labels at least three times
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22:30 < vortexx> echelon: atactl will be of use
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22:32 < vortexx> you might want to add a few drive check commands to /etc/daily.local
22:33 < vortexx> (with full path)
22:33 < sibiria> openbsd softraid 0/1/5 is ill-advised
22:33 < vortexx> true
22:33 < sibiria> we can ill-afford another klendathu!!!
22:34 < echelon> why is it ill-advised?
22:34 < echelon> what other raids are supported then
22:34 < echelon> or advised, rather
22:34 < vortexx> slow, for one
22:35 < sibiria> it writes to disks in sequence instead of in parallel. gets linearly slower for every disk you add, and every disk increases chance of desync during outage
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22:36 < echelon> i was planning to only use it for write-once operations with 3 usb flash drives
22:37 < sibiria> those are bad for backups unless you regularly rotate
22:37 < sibiria> NAND flash doesn't survive well with time
22:37 < sibiria> olde files go bye bye
22:37 < echelon> yeah, i should do something about my btc wallet
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22:39 < thrig> cron jobs that write disk and partition details somewhere might also be handy
22:39 < echelon> when using disk encryption is there a way to separate the header from the disk like with luks?
22:40 < sibiria> not with openbsd's softraid
22:40 < echelon> ok, outside the context of softraid
22:40 < sibiria> veracrypt i suppose
22:40 < sibiria> might have something like that
22:41 < echelon> ok
22:41 < sibiria> it's troubling that flash device manufacturers don't state if the controllers in the devices do re-powering scans, or at least how long the cells retain data since last use
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23:31 < vortexx> man -k veracrypt
23:31 < vortexx> man: nothing appropriate
23:32 < vortexx> where's veracrypt hidden again?
23:32 < sibiria> it's a port
23:32 < vortexx> ah
23:33 < sibiria> formerly known as truecrypt, before the project ran into drama
23:33 < vortexx> that rings a bell
23:34 < vortexx> of course if you need mirrored storage there's always the NAS way, or using a ZFS backed NFS mount in OpenBSD
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