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01:30 < xs> I struggle to set the window title in xterm, -T works but not any of the OSC escape sequence documented in the manpage. How do you achieve this ?
01:31 < xs> (I'm using cwm)
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01:37 < thrig> windows have titlebars?
01:38 < oldlaptop> doesn't it still paint title thingies somewhere when you move the window or something?
01:38 < oldlaptop> or pull up the menu?
01:38  * oldlaptop hasn't used cwm in a hot minute
01:38 < xs> thrig: no, windows don't have title bars
01:39 < xs> oldlaptop: in menu-application, but I use polybar on top which updates the title to the focused window
01:40 < xs> if I do xterm -T test, it works
01:43 < xs> in menu-window* which is a search function, that search and list the matching window titles
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01:44 < xs> my idea was to update the current title to the current working directory
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01:44 < BasketCase> xs: does your prompt change the title back after you set it?
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01:46 < xs> BasketCase: I use oksh and no, my PS1 does not do this, I also tested to echo and printf the sequences from ksh93 and bash, with no success ^^
01:48 < xs> xterm*allowTitleOps is to true
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01:48 < xs> let me try windowOps sequences to see
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01:52 < xs> window ops works
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01:53 < BasketCase> xs: this is the script I use https://bpa.st/L7FQ though my prompt does change it back so I need a ;sleep 1 to see it happen
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01:55 < xs> echo -en "\033]0;hello\007"; sleep 3 no changes
01:57 < BasketCase> weird, works fine for me.  even though my echo echo'd the "-en"
01:57 < xs>  echo -ne '\033[4;100;200;200;200t' changes the window size for me
01:58 < xs> let me try with another window manager, maybe cwm does something odd
01:59 < BasketCase> lol, made mine the size of my prompt (when I used gecho)
02:02 < xs> so I tried in dwm, same issue, I tried in rxvt-unicode (urxvt) and it works perfectly 
02:03 < xs> works also in cwm
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02:04 < xs> okay xrdb -remove -all ; xterm ; SEQUENCE works
02:05 < BasketCase> my wm is fvwm1
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02:14 < xs> so I've solved the issue: allowSendEvent was to true, turned it to false and it works \o/ thanks you all for your replies :) :O
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04:46 < xs> I try to build libOpenMP for base clang 16.0.6 updating the instructions found there https://j-bm.github.io/on/onp.html
04:46 < xs> I managed to do it by the past, now PORTROACH variable is getting in the path, I'm not that much used to ports
04:46 < xs> there's what I get https://termbin.com/cwxh
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04:47 < xs> as you can see, I've tried to set PORTROACH = site:https://github.com/${GH_ACCOUNT}/${GH_PROJECT}/releases/
04:48 < xs> any tip on how I should set PORTROACH ?
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05:35 < echelon> net.inet.carp.allow is enabled by default?
05:36 < echelon> since the writing of https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/carp.html ? or do i still need to add net.inet.carp.allow=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf?
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05:43 < echelon> also, what determines who the master is? just whoever grabs the ip first?
05:44 < echelon> in a carp group
05:44 < echelon> oh, there's a advskew setting
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06:10 < echelon> i can't ping the carp virtual ip, what order should "pass out on em0 proto carp" be placed in?
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06:11 < echelon> this is what my /etc/pf.conf looks like now https://paste.ee/r/qwcm8w5U
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06:18 < echelon> does carp send an arping to the gateway ip?
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06:30 < echelon> does pfsync need to be set up for carp to work?
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06:48 < echelon> it shows that status is master, so why can't i ping the ip from an external host? https://paste.ee/r/asHt8fvu
06:49 < echelon> i can ping the non-virtual ip just fine
06:54 < renaud> if https://paste.ee/r/qwcm8w5U is your config, the last line is not even needed and it should work.
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12:39 < usagi_mimi> If I use exfat for thumb drive will I be able to write for it from OpenBSD without any issues (FUSE problems aside)?
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12:59 < vortexx> usagi_mimi: the better question would be why use exfat? Is this thumb drive to be mounted in other OSes, if so which?
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13:31 < sonya> 4gb file size limit is a key stopper for fat32..
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13:45 < usagi_mimi> it's for sharing data between several Windows/linux machines and a laptop running Openbsd
13:49 < usagi_mimi> I got it going thanks anyway this speed is fine for what I need it for (mostly sharing epubs and txt files)
13:50 < usagi_mimi> I was just wondering if ext2 or something would be better but I guess Windows can't deal with that and I can't use FAT32 because the thumb drive is too large for Windows to read it if I format it as anything other than NTFS or exFAT
13:50 < usagi_mimi> I'm guess OpenBSD still doesn't have write support for NTFS does it?
13:51 < sibiria> even if the flash drive is larger than the usual 32gb limit in windows, you can make a partition of 32gb and smaller, and it'll work fine
13:51 < sibiria> windows should also accept a fat32 device >32gb, when formatted elsewhere with larger cluster size etc.
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13:52 < sibiria> no write-support for ntfs. needs fuse. fat32 will work just fine until you have huge files
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14:01 < usagi_mimi> Do you mean if I use FUSE I can get write in NTFS?
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14:02 < usagi_mimi> exFAT seems fine I wrote some data with touch and it didn't corrupt it when I stuck it back in the Windows machine
14:03 < usagi_mimi> The 4GB file size limit isn't a huge deal for most of what I need I'll just use split .7z archives if I ever run into that issue. I very rarely need to move a file that large over a usb port
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14:07 < vortexx> usagi_mimi: https://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd/ exists for windows to use ext2fs
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14:17 < usagi_mimi> It did some reading and it looks like NTFS support has improved since I last tried to use it a long time ago
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14:18 < usagi_mimi> Even if I switch thumb drives to ext2 I still need read/write for NTFS and FAT32 because I have odd ball drives for stuff like Nintendo Wii that only support those files systems.
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14:19 < sibiria> sounds like you should just go with fat32 then
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14:20 < sibiria> make <=32gb partition on the flash drive and windows etc. will accept it just fine
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14:21 < BasketCase> if they are worried about files >4GB they probably can't live on a 32GB partition either
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15:44 < metala> there is a missing abstraction over the filesystems that allows us split later files in chunks and act upon as if it's a whole file. Nwadays, when I hear about FAT32, it's about 4GB, 8.3 filename (fat16?) and no more than 65535 files in a directory...
15:55 < mischief> is there?
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15:59 < sibiria> openbsd's fat32-driver is vfat compatible, so you can use long filenames. "it's not much but it's something"
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16:00 < metala> ok, long names, what about the 4GB. Something backwards compatible and complient with other operating systems?
16:01 < metala> it should be possible, the only issue is standardisation.
16:01 < sibiria> 4gb max file size is a hard limit of fat32. you cannot get around it
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16:03 < metala> that's per entry in a directory.
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16:04 < sibiria> that's what i said. maximum file size
16:04 < metala> therefore, you can have  multiple "chunks" up to 4GB that act as a single file.
16:05 < sibiria> sure. but why build a custom extension on fat32 today, when ntfs and exfat exists
16:05 < sibiria> would make more sense to put that effort into porting linux' or samsung's exfat driver to a bsd-licensed version
16:06 < BasketCase> agreed, let fat32 be limited
16:06 < Bradipo> Because you cannot mount NTFS on OpenBSD?
16:06 < sibiria> you can mount it, but you can't read it
16:06 < Bradipo> And the exfat driver isn't a driver, it's FUSE.
16:06 < sibiria> write it*
16:06 < metala> fat32 is still in use. NTFS has weird MFT, Exfat has too large sectors.
16:06 < Bradipo> At least on OpenBSD exfat is FUSE.  It would be better as an actual FS to be mounted.
16:07 < sibiria> really, the only mentionable use fat32 sees today is in the ESP...
16:07 < Bradipo> ESP?
16:07 < metala> UEFI boot partition
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16:07 < Bradipo> extra-sensory perception?
16:07 < sibiria> Extra Saucy Pierogi
16:08 < Bradipo> Haha.
16:08 < metala> EFI System Partition....
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16:08 < systemdsucks> ESPañol?
16:09 < sibiria> chances to convince core devs to make customized openbsd-only fat32 extension for larger files = nil. chances some of them will port exfat or ntfs sources to bsd license are a lot larger
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16:10  * metala agrees. It has to come from specification authority, first.
16:10 < Bradipo> Yeah, I would agree on that.  Better to have real exfat driver than a custom fat32.
16:11 < metala> but you could probably have a fuse driver over fat32 that does that for you :)
16:11 < Bradipo> Yep.
16:14 < metala> but openbsd fuse is problematic. You still need root access, and since I've managed to deadlock the kernel with a few mount(2) calls. I left it to rest.
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16:14 < Bradipo> That's something I typically solve with DUIDs.
16:15 < Bradipo> e.g. I'll create a DUID on the target disk, create a mount point for a device, and then add that duid.i partition to /etc/fstab.
16:15 < Bradipo> Then I permit in doas.conf to mount /mnt/newfs to a particular user.
16:15 < Bradipo> But this depends on the ability to assign DUID.
16:16 < metala> interesting.
16:16 < Bradipo> Works great with msdos USB drives.  I've only started experimenting with exfat and FUSE.
16:16 < Bradipo> And at first glance it seems to work, but only time will tell.
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17:24 < echelon> i need some help with carp, i have a vanilla system and i followed the documentation, but when the host becomes master the ip shows up on carp0 interface, but i can't ping the ip
17:24 < Bradipo> Vanilla sauce on carp, interesting culinary delight?
17:25 < echelon> renaud: said i don't need: "pass out on $carp_dev proto carp" with the default /etc/pf.conf so i took it out and it still doesn't work
17:26 < echelon> i can only ping the virtual ip from the master itself, not from external hosts
17:29 < echelon> do i need to arping the gateway or something?
17:30 < echelon> i can ping the dedicated ip of the box just fine
17:31 < echelon> https://paste.ee/r/YaYYLIZj
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17:33 < echelon> https://paste.ee/r/nzA56iGk
17:33 < echelon> am i missing something?
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17:40 < echelon> has anyone tested carp or the official documentation?
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17:42 < Bradipo> I haven't used CARP in a long time.
17:42 < Bradipo> I'm pretty sure someone is using it in production and it is known to work.
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17:58 < metavoid> I use CARP in prod, but didn't have those problems..and I only followed the documentatio
17:58 < metavoid> needs some trickery on the underlying platform though
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18:05 < echelon> metavoid: what do you mean, the hypervisor?
18:05 < echelon> i've used vrrp in the past just fine
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18:15 < metavoid> echelon: yes, depends on platform I guess
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18:15 < metavoid> echelon: how does your hostname.carp0 look like?
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18:15 < metavoid> also, did you add the required sysctl?
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18:16 < echelon> yes net.inet.carp.allow=1 is a system default
18:16 < echelon> but i have it added anyway
18:16 < echelon> i added net.inet.carp.preempt=1 as well
18:17 < metavoid> saw your links now
18:17 < echelon> https://paste.ee/r/k3ljnAic
18:18 < metavoid> looks good
18:18 < metavoid>  I got arp snooping enabled on the underlying platform
18:18 < echelon> metavoid: were you on vmware/esxi by any chance?
18:19 < metavoid> and probably mac learning stuff too
18:19 < metavoid> yes, cloud directory
18:19 < metavoid> -y
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18:20 < echelon> oh, we don't use cloud director
18:20 < metavoid> haven't tried it on vcenter, so don't know the equivalent settings there
18:25 < metavoid> how did the config on the other server look like?
18:26 < echelon> metavoid: i don't even have the other server configured yet
18:26 < metavoid> ah ok
18:27 < echelon> i assumed i should be able to verify with just 1 host up
18:27 < metavoid> yes probably, it would be like a real HA scenario where the other server is blown to pieces
18:29 < echelon> does carp automatically send an arp announcement when it becomes master?
18:36 < metavoid> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/carp.html#carpop
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18:45 < echelon> metavoid:  i don't think the advertisements are the same as arp traffic though
18:46 < echelon> is there any way to invoke a script in case of a state change in carp>
18:47 < thrig> ifstated is a thing
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18:49 < anelli> hi friends. anyone here managed to get prosody to use relayd as an ssl reverse proxy? i'm getting the error `Encountered error: /usr/local/lib/prosody/modules/mod_storage_internal.
18:50 < anelli> lua:423: attempt to compare number with nil
18:50 < anelli> oh sorry. newline in the clipboard. hate those
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19:07 < sibiria> do you really need to use relayd for it?
19:07 < sibiria> prosody can manage multiple hostnames/certs on its own
19:07 < sibiria> and it can be configured to do only secure s2s and c2
19:07 < sibiria> c2s*
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20:17 < echelon> metavoid: thanks for setting me on the right path.. https://i.imgur.com/bbb0Ot7.png
20:17 < echelon> these were the changes i needed to make
20:18 < echelon> it's working now :)
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20:23 < anelli> sibiria: i know but i don't like copying certs over to /etc/prosody/certs (had a cron job for it). there's a prosody import command but it runs as root so i didn't use it. i'm trying to centralize ssl management on relayd.
20:26 < echelon> are there any templates for building a package for installation on openbsd?
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20:27 < anelli> echelon: i think you mean a port? there's /usr/ports/infrastructure/templates/Makefile.template (need to fetch the ports tree first)
20:28 < echelon> no github?
20:28 < anelli> https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html and https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/ports.html#PortsFetch for fetching the ports tree. check the whole porting handbook if you haven't it's very good
20:28 < anelli> echelon: there's a mirror lemme c
20:29 < echelon> well, it wouldn't really be a port, it was written for openbsd specifically
20:29 < echelon> found it https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/infrastructure/templates/Makefile.template
20:29 < anelli> still you need to write a port. it handles fetching the sources, patching if needed (not needed in this case i guess), configuring, buliding, installing into a fake root and packaging
20:30 < anelli> echelon: oh cool
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20:30 < anelli> also you need to fetch the whole ports system if you wanna write a port 
20:31 < echelon> ok
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20:37 < anelli> echelon: what are you packaging btwL
20:37 < anelli> s/L/?/
20:38 < echelon> anelli: an ssh daemon written in go for internal use
20:39 < anelli> echelon: oh cool
20:39 < anelli> gl
20:39 < echelon> thanks
20:39 < anelli> np
20:40  * ssm_ wishes there was a default partitioning scheme in the installer that supported ports and xenocara builds
20:41 < anelli> o wdym. there's plenty space in /usr
20:42 < ssm_> oh yeah they grew it recently. still, even *checks disklabel(8)* the maximum of 30GB is small if you build a lot ports; even 50GB
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20:43 < ssm_> not to mention you'd need to mount /usr wxallowed
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20:46 < ssm_> also /usr need suid which you definitely don't want when building ports
20:46 < Lucas_> I have 20 GB for /usr/ports and /usr/ports/pobj
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20:46 < Lucas_> and I kinda regret having 20GB for /usr/ports/pobj
20:47 < Lucas_> it's not enough if you need a debug build of firefox
20:47 < ssm_> my /usr/ports is 3G and a build chroot at /build is 64G
20:48 < Lucas_> oh, with the packages path pointed inside /build ?
20:48 < Lucas_> otherwise I don't see only 3G working
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20:49 < ssm_> yes, pobj and logs and such at /build/tmp, and permanent stuff at /build/data
20:49 < ssm_> like packages
20:50 < ssm_> I could definitely just delete /usr/{src,xenocara,ports} partitions and only have /usr/xobj /usr/obj and /build partitions
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20:53 < ssm_> dev and suid perms would be a problem in /usr/ports, but nothing is actually being built there; it's just mounted over nfs to /build/usr/ports. src and xenocara are audited so I'm not worried about filesystem options as much
20:54 < ssm_> I could even get rid of xobj and obj partitions if I wanted to I guess
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21:57 < metavoid> echelon: nice..just came to think about how its a bit confusing when the one NIC suddenly has more than 1 mac addresses...
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21:57 < metavoid> in vcloud you need to disable trust on first use (tofu) etc as well
21:58 < echelon> interesting
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