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I don't get the usual greylist, but instead my mail is just seemingly accepted and nothing else happens after waiting for hours `Apr 12 03:02:41 ssmvps smtpd[17125]: f81f2a15023b0e65 mta delivery evpid=4bdc3f309bf3330b from= 01:58 < ssm_> to= rcpt=<-> source="69.69.69.69" relay="199.185.178.25 (mail.openbsd.org)" delay=3s result="Ok" stat="250 2.0.0 15999057 Message accepted for delivery"` 01:58 < ssm_> mailing gmail and protonmail works, weirdly enough 02:01 -!- eniac_ [~eniac@user/eniac] has joined #openbsd 02:02 -!- eniac_ [~eniac@user/eniac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05 -!- eniac [~eniac@user/eniac] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:05 < ssm_> maybe my firewall is blocking something? ports smtp and submission are open, smtp is diverted to spamd. maybe openbsd.org is trying to send to a different port? 02:06 < ssm_> openbsd.org is not greylisted in spamdb, and I have it permanently whitelisted anyways 02:07 -!- eniac [~eniac@user/eniac] has joined #openbsd 02:09 -!- eniac [~eniac@user/eniac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13 -!- eniac [~eniac@user/eniac] has joined #openbsd 02:14 -!- eniac [~eniac@user/eniac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14 -!- eniac [~eniac@user/eniac] has joined #openbsd 02:15 -!- lockywolf [~lockywolf@213.165.252.157] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in] 02:16 -!- lockywolf [~lockywolf@coconut.lockywolf.net] has joined #openbsd 02:32 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@2600:4040:ad65:b400:d41d:cf3f:fce7:a533] has joined #openbsd 02:34 -!- durian_distro [~durian_di@user/durian-distro:13436] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35 -!- durian_distro [~durian_di@user/durian-distro:13436] has joined #openbsd 02:44 -!- durian_distro [~durian_di@user/durian-distro:13436] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44 -!- durian_distro [~durian_di@user/durian-distro:13436] has joined #openbsd 02:49 -!- anelli [~anelli@user/macarona] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:49 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50 -!- durian_distro [~durian_di@user/durian-distro:13436] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50 -!- durian_distro [~durian_di@user/durian-distro:13436] has joined #openbsd 02:51 -!- jedesa [~Thunderbi@user/jedesa] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:53 -!- _zip100 [~zip100@193.32.248.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:56 -!- tvtoon [~The_cUnix@user/tvtoon] has quit [Quit: "Rabbit Holed"] 02:56 -!- durian_distro [~durian_di@user/durian-distro:13436] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57 -!- durian_distro [~durian_di@user/durian-distro:13436] has joined #openbsd 02:57 -!- kroovy [~libera@195.52.48.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:04 -!- shinbeth [~shinbeth@user/sinvet] has joined #openbsd 03:08 -!- anelli [~anelli@user/macarona] has joined #openbsd 03:17 -!- nathanpc [~nathanpc@user/nathanpc] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:18 -!- user21 [~user21@71.203.62.57] has joined #openbsd 03:22 -!- tgg [~obfus@user/TGG] has joined #openbsd 03:29 -!- tgg [~obfus@user/TGG] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:29 -!- m0v_ [~m0v@103.208.204.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:31 -!- m0v [~m0v@103.208.204.244] has joined #openbsd 03:31 -!- m0v [~m0v@103.208.204.244] has quit [Changing host] 03:31 -!- m0v [~m0v@user/m0v] has joined #openbsd 03:32 < emmanuelux> hello, can I replace my /root/.profile by this default "skeleton" file : https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/etc/skel/dot.profile , i use .kshrc for alias 03:32 -!- shinbet [sinvet@user/sinvet] has joined #openbsd 03:36 -!- sinvet [sinvet@user/sinvet] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:38 -!- shinbet [sinvet@user/sinvet] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:40 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has quit [Quit: Life beckons] 03:42 < ssm_> emmanuelux: you probably want src/etc/root/dot.profile 03:44 < emmanuelux> thx ssm_ i searched the original 03:44 -!- rgz [uid670983@user/rgz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:45 -!- sinvet [sinvet@user/sinvet] has joined #openbsd 03:46 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 03:46 -!- user03 [~gchound@user/gchound] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1] 03:46 < ssm_> unsure what the line `: ${HOME='/root'}` is supposed to do... : is a no-op, and that's not a parameter substitution I've ever seen before. I tried running it inside a shell manually but $? is always 0 even if the path after = doesn't exist 03:47 < ssm_> doesn't set my HOME to anything different either 03:48 < ssm_> I tried it on an unset var and it set it, it seems to be an alias for the := parameter substitution? 03:49 < TommyC> ssm_: if $HOME is set and not null, use the current value of $HOME, if it's set but null, substitute null and if it's unset assign "/root". 03:50 < TommyC> ssm_: This is a handy dandy table of parameter substitutions and what they do in POSIX shells (ksh, bash, zsh, etc. all have some extra stuff but yours isn't one of them): https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009604499/utilities/xcu_chap02.html 03:51 -!- shinbet [sinvet@user/sinvet] has joined #openbsd 03:51 -!- sinvet [sinvet@user/sinvet] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:53 < TommyC> re-reading what I typed, I should clarify: "yours" being your parameter substitution that you mentioned, not your shell 03:53 < ssm_> TommyC: I've read sh(1) many times but somehow I've glossed over the section on omitting the colon every time, thanks for the in depth response 03:53 < TommyC> ssm_: Parameter substitutions without the colon aren't common (from my experience) but they exist. 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only bootloader output 14:11 -!- edthix [~Thunderbi@115.132.140.246] has quit [Quit: edthix] 14:12 -!- hussein1 [~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hussein1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13 -!- hussein1 [~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hussein1] has joined #openbsd 14:18 < WhyNotHugo> booting from bsd instead of bsd.rd freezes indefinitely, instead of rebooting after a minute. thuogh i'm not sure if this last is supposed to work from the installation image 14:23 -!- zip100 [~zip100@185.213.155.228] has joined #openbsd 14:26 < ssm_> WhyNotHugo: has this machine successfully booted the full kernel before? 14:27 -!- manymore [~gary@149.88.30.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:28 < ssm_> oh you're saying bsd.rd reboots after a minute? 14:28 -!- gluon_ [~gluon@2a01:4f8:c0c:e2da::1] has joined #openbsd 14:28 -!- umgeher [~umgeher@user/umgeher] has quit [Quit: afk] 14:30 < supaman> I had problems booting into my laptop (similar to your problem, but froze indefinitely like your bsd does). My problem it seems is that I had a dock connected, as soon as I removed that, then the computer booted fine. 14:35 -!- armin [~armin@zero.m2m.pm] has joined #openbsd 14:38 < WhyNotHugo> ssm_: bsd.rd doesn't actually book; the booloader prints the above transcript, ending in "entry point at 0x1001000", then after abuot 40-60 seconds the system reboots. 14:38 < WhyNotHugo> But the kernel never prints any output, so I can't confirm whether it actually runs. 14:39 < WhyNotHugo> i have never booted any kernel before 14:39 < WhyNotHugo> (i have seen references of other booting openbsd on this hardware) 14:42 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1002:6c68:68e9:91ae:a78:9d8c] has joined #openbsd 14:49 -!- hiddener [~topseykra@mail.grimidalv.org] has joined #openbsd 14:53 -!- umgeher [~umgeher@186.201.217.34] has joined #openbsd 14:53 -!- umgeher [~umgeher@186.201.217.34] has quit [Changing host] 14:53 -!- umgeher [~umgeher@user/umgeher] has joined #openbsd 15:04 -!- msi [~msi@user/msi] has joined #openbsd 15:09 -!- msi [~msi@user/msi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:14 -!- morpho [~morpho@87.114.27.41] has joined #openbsd 15:22 -!- msi [~msi@user/msi] has joined #openbsd 15:22 < vortexx> WhyNotHugo: I don't suppose this hw has a serial port on it? 15:22 -!- fflam [~mdt@2600:4040:1100:cc00::1c19] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:22 < vortexx> I'm not at all convinced the 32bit UEFI bootloader works with 64 bit kernels 15:22 < vortexx> did you try the 32bit bsd.rd? 15:23 -!- Aedil [~adrian@ipbcc10313.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openbsd 15:24 -!- fflam [~mdt@87.249.134.6] has joined #openbsd 15:25 < WhyNotHugo> vortexx: the x64 installation image includes BOOTIA32.efi, so I would assume they work together. 15:25 < WhyNotHugo> How would I try a 32bit bsd.rd? i need to copy it myself into the installation media? 15:27 -!- XZDX [~halloy924@user/XZDX] has quit [Quit: XZDX] 15:29 < vortexx> I know it's included, but you're the second person in the last few days trying this 32 bit bootloader + 64bit installer and failing 15:29 < vortexx> I don't know if the i386 installer includes the uefi bootloader, lemme check 15:30 < vortexx> mh apparently it doesn't 15:30 < vortexx> 32 bit uefi really is an itanium abomination 15:30 < vortexx> Apple shouldn't have gone down that path 15:34 -!- fflam [~mdt@87.249.134.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:35 < thrig> well they do 'think different' 15:36 -!- fflam [~mdt@2600:4040:1100:cc00::1c19] has joined #openbsd 15:39 -!- R4F43L [~rscastilh@user/R4F43L] has joined #openbsd 15:40 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 15:41 -!- Megido [~Megido@user/Megido] has joined #openbsd 15:41 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has joined #openbsd 15:42 -!- jpoc [~jpoc@centos/qa/jpoc] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:46 -!- hiddener [~topseykra@mail.grimidalv.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:49 < morpho> can i install software from the obsd installer usb? 15:51 < morpho> trying to rescue data from a ssd but only have a obsd usb stick about 15:53 < morpho> im not sure many linux distros support ufs anyway 15:55 -!- wickedshell [~wickedshe@2601:8c0:800:a1c1:a32a:adf6:6004:a4a9] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:59 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@185.63.99.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00 -!- jpoc [~jpoc@centos/qa/jpoc] has joined #openbsd 16:01 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2a03:c23:c6d8:0:2470:7789:c90d:1e0c] has joined #openbsd 16:02 < ROYGBYTE> Can I delete /usr/ports/pobj after building? 16:03 < vortexx> ROYGBYTE: yes 16:03 < vortexx> morpho: linux distros usually have ufs support, but it'll be read only unless you recompile the module with write enabled 16:05 < vortexx> if you mean add software to the usb installer once booted, I'm not sure the pkg_* tools are present 16:05 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2a03:c23:c6d8:0:2470:7789:c90d:1e0c] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:07 < ROYGBYTE> also wondering what best practices are for building ports. i am learning it's possible to build them outside the ports tree, which appeals to me. because the partition size of /usr/ports is waaay too small. 16:08 < vortexx> ROYGBYTE: man dpb and man proot (you have to have the ports tree installed to access those manpages) it makes life a lot easier 16:08 < ROYGBYTE> vortexx, thanks 16:08 < phy1729> You can put the ports tree in your home if you like. I use a git checkout at ~/ports. Just set PORTSDIR accordingly 16:08 < vortexx> the average user doesn't need to build ports because the packages cover nearly everything in ports 16:09 < vortexx> thus why /usr isn't really big enough to mass build ports by default 16:09 < vortexx> morpho: confirmed, no pkg_* tools available in bsd.rd 16:09 < thrig> bsd.rd needs to be pretty small and the pkg_* scripts ain't 16:10 < morpho> thats what i needed to know 16:10 < phy1729> You can always chroot into the system after it's installed in install.site 16:10 < phy1729> Oh it's a rescue thing not automating an install 16:11 < ROYGBYTE> vortexx, the average user becomes unaverage after OpenBSD ignites their super human powers >;) 16:11 < vortexx> ROYGBYTE: true :) 16:12 < ROYGBYTE> kinda what's happening to me :o 16:12 < ROYGBYTE> like, i'm surprised i even made it into ports, but it's awesome. 16:12 < vortexx> morpho: you should be able to mount your partitions in bsd.rd to rescue the data 16:12 < ROYGBYTE> for the full daily driver experience, i need it 16:13 < morpho> vortexx, that should be enough to copy home onto an external drive 16:13 < morpho> i could do with running smartmon tools to check if the drive is on its way out is all 16:14 -!- vezhlys [~vezhlys@213.159.57.238] has joined #openbsd 16:14 -!- lil_lasagna [~Ivan@178.237.236.155] has joined #openbsd 16:15 < vortexx> morpho: if you chroot into the drive (if it's still working more or less) and you have smartmon tools preinstalled you could run them in that 16:15 < vortexx> or just add them 16:15 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd 16:16 < morpho> id be worried about trying to install any software because the data is heavily corrupted 16:17 < morpho> might work though 16:19 < vortexx> might be better off installing OpenBSD to a usb key, boot that, add smartmon tools and let it have go at the ssd then 16:21 < morpho> ok, would i need two usbs then? or can i just choose the installer usb as target? 16:21 < vortexx> two 16:23 < ROYGBYTE> omg, /etc/mk.conf setup to put ports stuff under /home/ports makes so much more sense. 16:25 -!- zwr [~zwr@189.80.71.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29 -!- zwr [~zwr@189.80.71.136] has joined #openbsd 16:33 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:33 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@185.63.99.74] has joined #openbsd 16:35 -!- lil_lasagna [~Ivan@178.237.236.155] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.6.1] 16:36 -!- amadaluzia [~amadaluzi@user/amadaluzia] has joined #openbsd 16:38 -!- izder456 [~izder456@syn-035-148-122-041.res.spectrum.com] has joined #openbsd 16:38 -!- morpho [~morpho@87.114.27.41] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:51 -!- \subline_ [~join_subl@104.158.55.191] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:56 -!- schneid3306 [~schneid33@pool-100-6-139-51.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: schneid3306] 16:56 -!- schneid3306 [~schneid33@pool-100-6-139-51.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openbsd 17:01 -!- izder456 [~izder456@syn-035-148-122-041.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@185.63.99.74] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2a03:c23:c6d8:0:2470:7789:c90d:1e0c] has joined #openbsd 17:04 -!- anelli [~anelli@user/macarona] has joined #openbsd 17:13 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2a03:c23:c6d8:0:2470:7789:c90d:1e0c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2a03:c23:c6d8:0:2470:7789:c90d:1e0c] has joined #openbsd 17:13 -!- k777 [~k777@user/k777] has joined #openbsd 17:16 -!- lcubed [~lcubed@user/lcubed] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2a03:c23:c6d8:0:2470:7789:c90d:1e0c] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:27 -!- lcubed [~lcubed@user/lcubed] has joined #openbsd 17:28 -!- sinvet [sinvet@user/sinvet] has joined #openbsd 17:30 -!- krl [~krl@h-155-4-221-200.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openbsd 17:30 -!- shinbet [sinvet@user/sinvet] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:32 -!- krl_ [~krl@h-155-4-221-200.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:32 -!- aibo_ [~aibo@user/aibo] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:33 -!- aibo [~aibo@user/aibo] has joined #openbsd 17:34 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:36 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 17:38 -!- d-ra [~d-ra@user/d-ra] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:f215:4d01:4804:dd8a:e536:84ca] has joined #openbsd 17:43 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 17:45 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has joined #openbsd 17:48 -!- gce108 [~gce@user/gce108] has joined #openbsd 17:58 -!- hwpplayer1 [~user@user/hwpplayer1] has joined #openbsd 18:02 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 18:19 -!- Saint_Tuesday [~tuesday@peridot.discordian.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:19 -!- Saint_Tuesday [~tuesday@peridot.discordian.de] has joined #openbsd 18:28 -!- Megido [~Megido@user/Megido] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:30 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has joined #openbsd 18:31 -!- morpho [~morpho@87.114.27.41] has joined #openbsd 18:33 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@185.63.99.74] has joined #openbsd 18:34 -!- bket_ [~bket@user/bket] has joined #openbsd 18:35 -!- bket [~bket@user/bket] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:35 -!- bket_ is now known as bket 18:38 -!- fflam [~mdt@2600:4040:1100:cc00::1c19] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:39 < ssm_> ROYGBYTE: it only makes sense if 1) you aren't using a proot(1) 2) you're fine mounting /home wxallowed 18:39 -!- fflam [~mdt@87.249.134.6] has joined #openbsd 18:40 < ssm_> actually I don't know how it makes sense at all, other than that the default partitioning doesn't take a ports partition into account and /home (or /var) are the next best options 18:43 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:44 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 18:45 -!- Poltawer [~xt003@user/Poltawer] has joined #openbsd 18:52 -!- mete- [~beelink@186.250.13.243] has joined #openbsd 19:03 -!- adig [~default@2a02:2f0e:f215:4d01:4804:dd8a:e536:84ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06 < morpho> how do i use smartmontools on openbsd? 19:06 < morpho> do i need to check every partition seperately even if they are on the same physical disc? 19:08 < morpho> i think my ssd is on its way out i need to check 19:08 < morpho> by some miracle its decided to boot today 19:09 < RootCellar> morpho: you should only need to check the ssd as a whole. I haven't used smartmontools on OpenBSD, but on Linux I know it is `smartctl -a /dev/` 19:09 < RootCellar> that might work on OpenBSD too, or be similar at least 19:09 < morpho> yeah, i have /dev/sd0a and so on 19:10 < RootCellar> try `smartctl -a /dev/sd0a` or so 19:10 < morpho> says device busy 19:11 < RootCellar> huh, i wonder if you can't view SMART data on OpenBSD while the drive is mounted or something? or is that just not the right drive? 19:12 < RootCellar> you can boot an operating system from a flash drive and run `smartctl` from that, too. it doesn't have to be your installed-to-disk OS to view SMART data 19:13 < morpho> its sd0c i think 19:13 < RootCellar> give it a try 19:13 < morpho> just checked man but its not too clear, it says its passed 19:14 < RootCellar> passed SMART tests. That may be misleading if those SMART tests were only run when the drive was *new*, rather than *recently* 19:15 < RootCellar> I think the output will contain things like "raw read error rate" and such. there should be a table of values such as that one. look through there, make sure none of the VALUES are <= THRESH 19:16 < morpho> everything is 100 19:16 < morpho> what the fucks gone wrong with my boxes then 19:16 < RootCellar> unfortunately sometimes that table is not so helpful, as you can see 19:16 < morpho> had two machines to conk out for a few days then revive on their own >_< 19:17 < RootCellar> you can look through the RAW_VALUES too to make sure things seem sensible, but idk. maybe it was a filesystem issue rather than a drive issue? power outage cause an incomplete write? 19:18 < morpho> i could not get access to the drive at all 19:18 < morpho> ahci errors 19:19 < RootCellar> well, if SMART doesn't point to drive failure, maybe its just a bad physical connection. maybe unplug, plug back in, re-seat, if you haven't tried already? 19:19 < vortexx> yes it's sd*c for the drive 19:20 < morpho> just like windows 19:20 < morpho> of course ;) 19:24 -!- emmanuelux [~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28 < WhyNotHugo> vortexx: i think apple's 32bit efi actually predates UEFI, so it's kinda fair that they didn't stick to the standard—it didn't exist yet 19:31 -!- rgz [uid670983@user/rgz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:35 < morpho> RootCellar, what kind of results should i be looking for? all looks good from here 19:37 < morpho> https://termbin.com/nh8q 19:44 -!- tylerius [~tylerius@user/tylerius] has joined #openbsd 19:44 -!- tylerius [~tylerius@user/tylerius] has quit [Client Quit] 19:44 -!- tylerius [~tylerius@user/tylerius] has joined #openbsd 19:52 -!- xx [~xx@user/xx] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:52 -!- Megido [~Megido@user/Megido] has joined #openbsd 19:57 < vortexx> WhyNotHugo: EFI was developed as the firmware for the Intel Itanium systems, and made it's way into the x86/amd64 world rather gradually (plenty of later BIOS implementations were actually UEFI in disguise) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFI 19:58 < RootCellar> morpho: that looks pretty good to me. looks like a healthy SSD far as I can tell 19:58 < RootCellar> my next guess would be its either a filesystem issue or physical connection issue 19:59 < morpho> UDMA_CRC_Error_Count -O--CK 100 100 050 - 244 20:00 < morpho> the 'RAW VALUE' is 244, i dont know if thats particular high 20:01 < RootCellar> morpho: from the internet: > It just means there was an error transferring data from the disk to the machine for some reason--eg electrical interference or a faulty cable. 20:01 < RootCellar> I looked at a couple drives on my machine just now and got 0 for that field 20:02 < WhyNotHugo> any ideas how to debug what's up with this 32bit EFI on 64bit? 20:02 < RootCellar> it sounds more and more like it is a connection problem 20:02 < RootCellar> either faulty cable, loose connection, or interference from being really close to a power cable or something 20:03 < WhyNotHugo> assuming that the kernel talks to the EFI boot services, it would need to have support for 32bit EFI. I guess that's not a thing? 20:03 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@156.59.50.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:06 -!- hwpplayer1 [~user@user/hwpplayer1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06 -!- CrashOverride [~strcat@p548548be.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:07 < morpho> RootCellar, i think thats it 20:08 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 20:09 -!- chrisz [odqgxde5bg@195.52.137.197] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:09 -!- aaronm04 [~user@user/aaronm04] has quit [Quit: political detox for a while] 20:09 -!- chrisz [gz33f4679y@195.52.137.197] has joined #openbsd 20:10 -!- cantelope [uid598105@id-598105.hampstead.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 20:10 -!- chrisz [gz33f4679y@195.52.137.197] has quit [Client Quit] 20:12 -!- chrisz [fs85zloflw@195.52.137.197] has joined #openbsd 20:13 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@2600:4040:ad65:b400:d41d:cf3f:fce7:a533] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:13 -!- chrisz [fs85zloflw@195.52.137.197] has quit [Client Quit] 20:13 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@185.63.99.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:14 -!- hwpplayer1 [~user@user/hwpplayer1] has joined #openbsd 20:15 -!- mxluna [~demo@90-227-72-210-no600.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:16 -!- daugaard [~daugaard@user/daugaard] has joined #openbsd 20:22 -!- nsuperbus [~nsuperbus@host-46-251-26-104.kabelnet.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24 -!- nsuperbus [~nsuperbus@host-46-251-26-104.kabelnet.hu] has joined #openbsd 20:25 -!- Poltawer [~xt003@user/Poltawer] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.6.1] 20:28 -!- aaronm04 [~user@user/aaronm04] has joined #openbsd 20:29 -!- Leone [~Leo@104-195-237-50.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1002:6c68:68e9:91ae:a78:9d8c] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:41 < morpho> is there a way to monitor crc errors as they happen on openbsd? 20:44 -!- shinbeth [~shinbeth@user/sinvet] has joined #openbsd 20:44 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has joined #openbsd 20:44 -!- hwpplayer1 [~user@user/hwpplayer1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54 -!- archcezar [~archcezar@83.21.184.39.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl] has joined #openbsd 20:55 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@128.6.147.95] has joined #openbsd 21:02 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@83-84-59-127.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:03 -!- Aedil [~adrian@ipbcc10313.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:07 -!- znedw [~znedw@2400:a846:4040::f61] has quit [Quit: The Lounge - 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