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01:44 < anelli> stupid me set the ptr record to point to 123.456.789.mail.mydomain.com instoad of mail.mydomain.com -_- they take like 6-12hrs to update it again 
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01:46 < ssm_> as I understand it, you want rdns on your host (the numbers) to resolve to your mx, and your mx to resolve to your host
01:47 < ssm_> mx being your mail.mydomain.com
01:47 < ssm_> annoyingly that means even if your host is general purpose, rdns still calls it an mx
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01:48 < anelli> yeah. all the reverse ip notation.in-arpa stuff messed with my brain
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01:48 < anelli> it's alr ig i use thin one for mail only. everything else at home
01:52 < ssm_> then set up spf dmarc and dkim, and test on some mail tester and maybe you'll be able to send to corpomail (or like me find out my TLD permanently spamlists me)
01:52 < ssm_> somehow I doubt they'd make an exception, not that I'd know where to ask
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01:58 < anelli> rip. ig i gotta wait for it to reflect right with my vps provider but i'll give it a qucik try
02:01 < anelli> > (or like me find out my TLD permanently spamlists me)
02:02 < anelli> you mean you have some special tld?
02:02 < anelli> i went for .com to spare the headache
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02:04 < that_lurker> mail@notavirus[.]zip
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02:05 < anelli> is the [.] optional or wat xD
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02:09 < that_lurker> breaks the url in case someone decides to just click away
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02:25 < ROYGBYTE> it is clever that the ports tree contains ports that are makefiles for projects, like makeEspArduino
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03:12 < mischief> i did eventually fix npppd, works nicely to test other devices using pppoe
03:14 < anelli> that_lurker: me no get it
03:15 < that_lurker> anelli: I added those to break it linkin on peoples irc clients and users that use webirc might have link previews on. I did not check that link before posting so breaking it was the fastes way to go
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03:20 < anelli> that_lurker: oh yeah i forgot some clients do that
03:20 < that_lurker> yeah... so did I when I posted a link to a goatse
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03:22 < anelli> LOL
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04:25 < anelli> intel-firmware-20250211v0 doesn't matter for a vmm guest right?
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04:26 < anelli> i got vmm-firmware-1.16.3p0 too but ig it's needed. i'm talking about pkgs installed inside the guest. sorry for the premature optimization btw ik it's one package lol
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05:58 < ssm_> vmm-firware provides vmm-bios
05:59 < ssm_> which can be overridden with vmctl start -b.  you probably want it unless you like not using vmm
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06:35 < anelli> ssm_: oh alr thx
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11:12 < vortexx> https://paste.debian.net/1370128/ the syspatch building (I think it's just building a release, not a syspatch yet, for syspatch-000) failed at the same point, just it didn't take as long to get there. Really weird it would not find some lib during compilation
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11:43 < pony> hmm, do you think one of these would run openbsd? https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-2.0-specs.html
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12:06 < vortexx> pony: https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=view&id=2057 this seems to show it does
12:06 < pony> nice
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12:19  * oldlaptop wouldn't see a core2 mac mini as particularly desirable, but it'd be better than a "Core Duo" mac
12:20 < oldlaptop> maybe not as desirable as a G4 mini either? but that's a different question
12:21  * oldlaptop sighs at this supposedly technical webpage describing core2 versus "Core Duo" as "faster processors"
12:22 < oldlaptop> is that all they describe "G5" versus "G4" as? :|
12:25 < vortexx> I'd say a Core 2 Duo probably has the 64bit boot env vs the 32bit one that the core duo would have, so less bother involved
12:25 < oldlaptop> "Core Duo" are i686
12:25 < vortexx> (seeing people in here having issues with that of late using that era)
12:25 < oldlaptop> it's two Pentium Ms on the same chip
12:25 < vortexx> ah
12:25 < vortexx> so not even
12:25 < vortexx> even more reason to go with core2duo
12:25 < oldlaptop> I'd be mildly concerned about early core2 Macs possibly having "32-bit" EFI
12:26 < oldlaptop> (but it's probably going to work fine anyway)
12:26 < vortexx> (I rather liked the pentium M on my Vaio TX1, it did a great job and didn't use the battery too much)
12:26 < oldlaptop> It's certainly better than intel's immediate alternative at the time.
12:28 < oldlaptop> From an engineering standpoint that is depressing, because the alternative was intel's bold, ambitious new design (netburst/Pentium 4), a Pentium M was a slightly warmed-over i686 thrown together in a hurry because it turned out netburst blew supersonic chunks.
12:28 < vortexx> yep netburst was absolutely awful
12:28 < pony> ;)
12:28 < oldlaptop> and core2 is amd64 support and a few other things duct taped to i686
12:28 < vortexx> power hungry, and didn't deliver perf wise
12:29 < oldlaptop> But the gigahertz number was very large.
12:32 < vortexx> on my Vaio SZ that I ran gentoo on I managed to upgrade from 32bit to 64bit OS just by recompiling, back in the day. I was very impressed at how well that worked (I was using the 32bit version because of the flash browser plugin, required by youtube & others back then)
12:32 < vortexx> yes the first to hit 3GHz iirc
12:34 < oldlaptop> years before sensible amd64s did
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14:06 < vortexx> it's not working any better, breaking at a different place though: https://paste.debian.net/1370151/
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14:08 < vortexx> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/distrib/syspatch/README here's the README I'm using btw
14:09 < vortexx> I'm very surprised this isn't functioning. Going to try 7.6 next I guess, to see if that can at least build the first syspatch
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15:49 < quinq> hummm
15:49 < quinq> My gitdaemon is broken on OpenBSD
15:50 < quinq> I'm getting the infamous “dubious ownership” error message telling me to add some option in the “global” config
15:50 < quinq> But the _gitdaemon user doesn't have a home
15:50 < quinq> Where could I set that option?
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16:07 < Bradipo> I normally use Git with SSH.
16:07 < Bradipo> So don't have use for a _gitdaemon user.
16:09 < Bradipo> Perhaps the permissions or ownership of the repository is wrong?
16:09 < Bradipo> Does the _gitdaemon even have a role in what you're doing?  Perhaps this is barking up the wrong tree?
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16:13 < Bradipo> quinq: Did you check the ownership?
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16:14 < uwharrie> the times I've had to fix this have been because of people using one account (usually root) to initialize a repo, pushing some code in locally as a different user, then trying to start working through the daemon
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16:18 < quinq> Bradipo, what's your recipe for anonymous ssh access?
16:18 < quinq> Yeah, _gitdaemon have a role in serving the git protocol
16:19 < quinq> It's the OpenBSD user running the git daemon
16:19 < Bradipo> Right, I didn't know if that's what you were doing or not.
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16:20 < Bradipo> So you want unauthenticated and "anonymous" git access?
16:20 < Bradipo> I've setup read-only access to git repositories before.
16:20 < Bradipo> Using SSH.
16:20 < Bradipo> But I generally require an SSH key to gain said access, though, I suppose it need not be that way.
16:21 < quinq> Sounds a bit contradictory
16:21 < Bradipo> No, read-only access is not contradictory.
16:21 < Bradipo> I grant read-only access per SSH key.
16:22 < Bradipo> I didn't say I grant anonymous or unauthenticated access.
16:22 < Bradipo> I asked *you* if that's what *you* want. :-)
16:22 < quinq> Yeah, sorry I didn't get the conversation drifted to your use-case
16:23 < quinq> Nevermind though, I “fixed” it by tweaking the global git config
16:23 < quinq> Well, not *global*, but *system* as they call it
16:24 < Bradipo> Is that how you're doing anonymous git+ssh access?
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16:27 < quinq> No, I'm not doing ssh
16:27 < quinq> As I said, it's about the git protocol
16:28 < quinq> You are doing ssh access
16:28 < quinq> That's cool
16:28 < quinq> But a bit besides my point
16:28 < Bradipo> Well, I wasn't certain if you wanted a recipe for git+ssh or not.
16:28 < Bradipo> You did ask.
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16:29 < Bradipo> For anonymous git, I would probably attempt to use a Match User in sshd_config combined with ForceCommand.
16:29 < Bradipo> But that presents another question... anonymous with write access?  or anonymous read-only?
16:29 < mischief> i am running gitea myself, i didn't try handing out access but ssh does seem to work
16:29  * oldlaptop had the general impression that git:// was sort of viewed with disfavor by git upstream
16:30 < vortexx> 7.6/amd64 first syspatch build crashed at about the same place with the same error: https://paste.debian.net/1370175/
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16:33 < oldlaptop> at any rate I would have thought the solution to git complaining that _gitdaemon doesn't own the repository would be to have _gitdaemon own the repository
16:36 < vortexx> mischief: how did you fix your npppd issue in the end?
16:36 < vortexx> (not an issue we hear about much)
16:37 < mischief> tbqh, i'm not sure, i fiddled with a few different things since the issue was vague
16:38 < vortexx> at least you got it working
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16:38 < mischief> npppd would just print ENOBUFs when writing packets
16:38 < mischief> 2025-04-17 16:37:19:INFO: pppoed RecvPADI from=9c:a5:70:01:8f:01 service-name= host-uniq=none if=rge3
16:38 < mischief> 2025-04-17 16:37:19:ERR: pppoed pppoed_output() failed:No buffer space available
16:38 < vortexx> what were you trying to achieve, PPPoE?
16:38 < mischief> 2025-04-17 16:37:19:INFO: pppoed SendPADO to=9c:a5:70:01:8f:01 serviceName= acName=00:1e:06:45:5c:70 hostUniq=none eol if=rge3
16:38 < vortexx> weird
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16:39 < mischief> yes, i work for a wireless router company (using linux) and we have a ppp feature i needed to test
16:39 < vortexx> ok
16:39 < mischief> so of course i use my home openbsd firewall to test pppoe :-)
16:40 < mischief> it may have been setting `mru` in the tunnel config block that fixed it
16:40 < quinq> oldlaptop, then you can't push through ssh
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16:41 < mischief> the config is pretty barebones, but it works fine as long as there's also pf rules for it as well
16:41 < mischief> https://gist.github.com/mischief/ecd494a17aaa72e73542075050ff1fec
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16:42 < Bradipo> quinq: Maybe have those who are enabled for writing push to a different repository and then have the _gitdaemon repository occasionally pull from it?
16:43 < Bradipo> via cronjob.
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16:47 < mischief> kind of wish gitea had a gist feature..
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16:53 < rIMpossible> I want to give mg(1) a chance, because I like it is in base and want to get used to the keyboard commands. 
16:53 < quinq> That sounds like working around a non-issue with a weird work-aronud
16:53 < quinq> Solution is simpler, unix groups
16:54 < rIMpossible> ... is there a way (not a must) to get german umlauts displayed?
16:54 < Bradipo> Multiple ways to skin a cat.  Unix groups being one of them.
16:56 < uwharrie> rIMpossible: no
16:56 < rIMpossible> uwharrie: thought so
16:57 < uwharrie> there are some patches floating around, but none have made it through the acceptance/merge process
16:59 < rIMpossible> uwharrie: I need to deal with it. I can have a placeholder for the umlauts. The advantage having it in base weighs more :)
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17:02 < pardis> there's an advantage to having things in base?
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17:03 < quinq> Allowing Germans to participate
17:03 < Bradipo> rIMpossible: For me I see \303\244 for an umlaut "a" in mg.
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17:05 < Bradipo> I don't know how to input such characters in mg though, hopefully it is possible.
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17:05 < fart_cat> do you guys use a music app online, or a music app local?
17:06 < Bradipo> I don't use any apps.
17:06 < uwharrie> both, navidrome + play:sub
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17:09 < Bradipo> In vi, one can input an umlaut character by typing ctrl-x c3 ctrl-x a4
17:09 < Bradipo> Well, an umlaut "a" rather.
17:10 < Bradipo> It's ugly, but it works.
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17:10 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: I should learn proper coding and implement multi-language support without having internationalized string in the main code ;-)
17:10 < rIMpossible> s/string/strings
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17:11 < uwharrie> I've preferred using a compose key rather than learning each application's unique input method
17:11 < Bradipo> If you were a vi user, you could create some maps that would automatically insert an umlaut character of your choice at the press of a button. :-)
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17:11 < Bradipo> What's a "compose key"?
17:11 < Bradipo> Is that something done in X?
17:12 < uwharrie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key
17:12 < Bradipo> Compose(5) ?
17:13 < Bradipo> I suppose that's one way to do it, looks useful.
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17:15 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: uwharrie: agreed
17:15 < rIMpossible> Is there a standard "compose key" definition in vi(1) ?
17:16 < rIMpossible> Ok, got it...
17:16 < Bradipo> Well, I think "compose key" is outside of vi.
17:17 < Bradipo> It happens at a "lower" level in X.
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17:17 < Bradipo> But that only works in X.
17:19 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: this is why I wrote, Ok, got it... :)
17:19 < Bradipo> In vi you can use ctrl-x to insert any combination of characters that you want.
17:19 < Bradipo> But you have to know what they are. :-)
17:20 < Bradipo> Or create maps to do it.  I like this option of XCompose, but I've never used it.
17:20 < Bradipo> Looks like you can include various pre-defined compose keys.
17:21 < Bradipo> Not sure how to press a "Multi_key" though.
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17:22 < uwharrie> I use setxkbmap -option compose:ralt
17:22 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: Ctrl-X 11 = Q, Ctrl-X 12 = R and so on
17:22 < Bradipo> Is there no default key for it?
17:22 < uwharrie> along with: https://github.com/kragen/xcompose/blob/master/dotXCompose
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17:23 < uwharrie> no, it's more of a workaround for keyboards without an AltGr or mode switch key that you have to map yourself
17:23 < Bradipo> rIMpossible: No, ctrl-x 11 would be 0x11 or ^Q, I don't think you want that.
17:23 < Bradipo> If you want a Q you would need ctrl-x 51
17:24 < Bradipo> uwharrie: I see, I was wondering where the AltGr key was on my keyboard...
17:24 < Bradipo> I do have a Fn key but that's for function overlays.
17:25 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: I was on the way to try, you are right. I need to see the table with all letters
17:25 < Bradipo> man ascii will show you all the typical letters.  But umlaut won't be in that. :-)
17:30 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: so there is no way using ctrl-x outside of 0x00-0x7f ?
17:30 < Bradipo> Yes, you can do all the way up to 0xff
17:30 < Bradipo> You just cannot look up characters beyond 0x7f in man ascii.
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17:33 < Bradipo> If you want to see a mapping, you could look at /usr/X11R6/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
17:33 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: after 0x7f it shows only \x80 and up
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17:34 < Bradipo> You can type umlaut a in vi by typing ctrl-x c3 ctrl-x a4
17:35 < Bradipo> While in insert mode.  both 0xc3 and 0xa4 are > 0x7f.
17:37 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: It does not show me anything but the mirrored 2 characters
17:38 < Bradipo> uwharrie: Is there a way to see if Multi_key is already mapped to a different key?
17:38 < Bradipo> rIMpossible: That's correct.  You will see the "raw" characters there.
17:39 < Bradipo> Save the file and then cat the file.
17:39 < Bradipo> You'll see that the terminal renders the character.
17:39 < Bradipo> vi allows you to INSERT those characters, it does not DISPLAY them.
17:40 < Bradipo> Well, it does display them, it just doesn't "render" them.
17:40 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: sorry for misunderstanding, I was thinking, this would show it in vi(1).
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17:40 < Bradipo> No, I said you could insert said characters into your documents, sorry.
17:40 < rIMpossible> Well, that's the glue :-)
17:40 < Bradipo> You can even do substitutions using s// in the same way.
17:40 < uwharrie> xmodmap should show it
17:40 < Bradipo> e.g. if you want to change all lower a umlaut to upper.
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17:41 < Bradipo> uwharrie: Interesting, so I assume the left column would have a "compose" value?
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17:43 < Bradipo> xmodmap -pk shows something with Multi_key...
17:43 < Bradipo> KeyCode 113
17:43 < Bradipo> That's my Alt_R.
17:44 < Bradipo> I wonder what it was before I ran setxkbmap.
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17:47 < sonya> some folks tend to replace vi with nvi due to such issues..
17:48 < uwharrie> you mean nvi with (n)vim?
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17:49 < sonya> i mean nvi as in our packages.. not vim/neovim..
17:50 < sonya> some distros replace vi to nvi by default
17:50 < uwharrie> oh, because vi in base is a variant of nvi
17:50 < sonya> nvi2 to be exact (nvi-2.2.1-iconv here)
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17:53 < sonya> but -liconv does all utf-related job..
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17:54 < Bradipo> sonya: Isn't vi also nvi already in base?
17:54 < Bradipo> That's what the man page says...
17:54 < Bradipo> Oh, the man page is for nex/nvi, but the implementation is just vi...
17:55 < Bradipo> "This manual page is the one provided with the nex/nvi versions of the ex/vi text editors."
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17:55 < Bradipo> I always assumed that vi in base was just nvi but "different".
17:57 < sonya> Bradipo: the multibyte (iconv) version of nvi are stated as nvi2..
17:58 < sonya> brief history already in wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvi
17:58 < Bradipo> Right, thanks.  I normally only use vi(1).
18:02 < Bradipo> So I'm having trouble getting the umlaut a using "compose key".
18:03 < Bradipo> I've enabled it by starting an exterm with: env XCOMPOSEFILE=/usr/X11R6/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose xterm
18:03 < Bradipo> But when I press the <Multi_key> <quotedbl> <a> I get something other than what it says I should.
18:04 < Bradipo> I should get: \xc3\xa4 but I'm getting: \xc3\x83\xc2\xa1
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18:06 < sonya> Bradipo: o'k here.. try with ~/.XCompose
18:06 < sonya> include "%L"
18:07 < sonya> the only line here
18:07 < Bradipo> Yeah, maybe it doesn't really work well with the XCOMPOSEFILE.  But when I unset XCOMPOSEFILE I get something different, but still wrong, lol.
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18:07 < Bradipo> Right, I saw the "%L" in the man page, but wanted to experiment first using XCOMPOSEFILE
18:10 < Bradipo> Maybe I cannot set XCOMPOSEFILE on a per-window basis...
18:10 < Bradipo> Might have to logout.
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18:25 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20250418114827 call to test a new parallel TCP input patch
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18:27 < systemdsucks> that sounds great
18:29 < Bradipo> I assume that "parallel TCP" means different sockets being serviced in parallel?
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19:13 < Vuokko> Hi
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19:14 < Vuokko> Is it possible to create a filesystem without partition table to a device? I have a USB disk (1MiB) which is on the other side of the physical a floppy disk
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19:15 < pardis> yes
19:16 < Vuokko> newfs_msdos /dev/rsd2c wasn't the solution
19:16 < Vuokko> or a
19:16 < pardis> that should work, what happened when you tried it?
19:17 < Vuokko> newfs_msdos: /dev/rsd2a: Device not configured
19:18 < Vuokko> and same with c i
19:19 < Vuokko> but in your opinninon the /dev/rsd2c should work?
19:20 < pardis> the c device refers to the entire disk
19:20 < pardis> are you sure you actually have an sd2 disk attached?
19:20 < Vuokko> yes
19:20 < pardis> is it in dmesg?
19:20 < Vuokko> yes
19:20 < Vuokko> and in scsctl
19:21 < pardis> the thing is that's also the device node used to read and write the partition table, so if you get "device not configured" for that one then you would also not be able to create partitions
19:21 < pardis> what does 'fdisk sd2' say?
19:23 < Vuokko> lists the device. c:           2160       0  unused
19:23 < pardis> fdisk should never list a c partition
19:24 < Vuokko> sorry that was disklabel
19:25 < Vuokko> but the flash is empty 0xff from byte 1 to last byte
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19:38 < Vuokko> OK. it seemed to be some USB problem. I gave the device a reset it started to behave
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