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00:40 < anelli> hi firends. when setting up smtpd should my /etc/myname be mydomain.com or mail.mydomain.com? i'm getting errors like this ` 0000000000000000 mta delivery evpid=the_evpid_here from=<me@mail.mydomain.com> to=<someone_else@domain2.com> rcpt=<-> source="-" relay="domain2.com" delay=1m21s result="TempFail" stat="Network error on destination MXs"'   my /etc/mail/smtpd.conf http://okturing.com/src/24699/body. thx
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00:44 < thrig> are you sending as mail.example.com or example.com and what is the reverse DNS, etc
00:46 < anelli> thrig: i'm sending via mail so i'm not sure. if you mean the MAIL FROM: command t shows `>>> MAIL FROM:<me@mail.example.com>'
00:47 < anelli> *sending via mail(1)
00:47 < anelli> got this output line from '$ mail -v`
00:47 < thrig> honestly, find an openbsd email setup guide and follow that. there's a lot of moving parts
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00:48 < anelli> yeah i tried 2 so far xD poolp and solene's. i'll go over it again
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00:48 < anelli> also the reverse dns is mail.example.com
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03:11 < anelli> for the record. it was my vps blocking port 25 from their end. opened a ticket. i hate them xD
03:14 < anelli> paradis was right. i'll go for openbsd.amesterdam next time. i thought the vultr $2.5/mo was good but it didn't include an ipv4 (my isp don't is ipv4-only) so i had to upgrade to the $5/mo which is like $60/yr soo yeah amsterdam aint so bad lol
03:14 < anelli> s/don't// lol i cant type
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03:33 < brianthe> win 3
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08:22 < tk> Is there no upgrade path for an old VM on 7.4? The files for amd64 7.5 404 for me: https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.5/amd64/bsd.rd
08:23 < betabug> use a different repo
08:25 < tk> ah, thanks
08:25 < betabug> https://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html - try one near you, and in the worst case, if what you need is really old, I think https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/ should have it
08:27 < betabug> mirrors must have at least the last 2 releases, some have more, some have only those 2 last releases
08:27 < tk> the leaseweb CDN has things going back to 2.0
08:27 < tk> I've used that for the time being, thanks
08:27 < betabug> cool :-D
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08:51 < sonya> tk: ftp://mirror.telepoint.bg/pub/OpenBSD/  - should be enough, i guess
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08:53 < sonya> oh.. and leaseweb, yes.. sorry
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11:55 < sibiria> anelli: /etc/myname isn't involved for opensmtpd, but /etc/mail/mailname is
11:56 < sibiria> the name is that of the server only. it has no connection to the MAIL-FROMs you want to serve
11:56 < sibiria> i.e., it's the name the server presents when interacting with MUAs and MTAs
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11:59 < anelli> sibiria: oh got ya. thxx
11:59 < sibiria> if you don't have /etc/mail/mailname, opensmtpd will just get the host's regular name and use that instead
11:59 < sibiria> ...and that would be what's in /etc/myname
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12:04 < anelli> that's fair. it doesn't mess up rdns/fcrdns right
12:04 < anelli> i have a random nickname in /etc/myname lol
12:05 < anelli> cuter than noodle@mail
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12:05 < sibiria> myname and mailname as just hostnames. they do need to match for fcrdns, to avoid being stopped by that check
12:05 < anelli> > the name is that of the server only. it has no connection to the MAIL-FROMs you want to serve
12:05 < anelli> srry i'm a lil stupid i'm now to smtp
12:05 < anelli> sibiria: oh thx for clarification
12:06 < anelli> s/now/new/
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12:06 < Posterdati> hi
12:07 < sibiria> if MX record of "blah.com" is "mail.vps.net", then you should best have "mail.vps.net" as your /etc/myname or at the least as your /etc/mail/mailname, so that opensmtpd presents the correct name
12:07 < Posterdati> please help, I need to restore a dump over network using restore... Thanks!
12:08 < sibiria> most systems out there will do an FCrDNS check. some will block the transaction if it does not pass, some will accept it but spam-tag the mail
12:10 < anelli> oh alrighty. noted
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12:57 < vortexx> ssm_: any updates on writing a chat script for ppp over a machine to machine serial cable?
12:58 < vortexx> (I do think this would be a good addition to the faq...)
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13:14 < betabug> I think 20-25 years ago I knew how to do that (ppp)
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13:34 < vortexx> betabug: yes, there's old faq entries but they're for dialup via modems, and used ppp which is deprecated as a command, it's all pppd now. A simple SLIP replacement ppp faq would be nice
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13:44 < betabug> sure, I was just mentioning my useless nostalgia
13:45 < vortexx> I know, and nostalgia is always good in here
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15:04 < vortexx> checking whether the C compiler works... no
15:04 < vortexx> configure: error: in `/usr/src/xenocara/proto/xorgproto/obj':
15:04 < vortexx> lol
15:04 < vortexx> how on earth is this possible?
15:04 < vortexx> (still trying to build a syspatch or three, none seem to work)
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15:09 < quinq> vortexx, maybe you missed preparing the build tree?
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15:54 < vortexx> quinq: I'm following line by line the readme, tried multiple times, it keeps happening
15:54 < quinq> ok :(
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15:59 < vortexx> going to have to email misc@ I guess but I don't have time today to do a proper bug report
15:59 < vortexx> neither 7.2 nor 7.6 amd64 will build their syspatches
15:59 < vortexx> nor 7.2 sparc64
16:00 < vortexx> (which is my goal, since that platform doesn't get them)
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17:33 < jxl> hey, does anything ship a shared libclang? 
17:34 < ssm_> vortexx: no, I was working on ports
17:34 < jxl> i pkg_info -E'd for it, but there doesn't appear to be anything
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17:59 < ssm_> jxl: you probably want pkg_locate, not pkg_info -E
18:00 < jxl> does pkg_info -E look up only in installed packages?
18:00 < jxl> but you're right. that did it
18:00 < ssm_> it's in devel/llvm
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18:07 < vortexx> ssm_: ok, I hope you haven't needed sneakernet too much
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18:40 < ssm_> vortexx: oh you mean cavemanning files back and forth on a tf card? yeah I'm doing that, but I'll still try to get pppd working
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19:03 < vortexx> ssm_: yes
19:03 < vortexx> sneakernet is a 80s/90s term
19:03 < vortexx> or how we swapped software at school :P
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20:15 < vortexx> was there ever tip on OpenBSD or was it always "just" cu?
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20:19 < thrig> https://man.openbsd.org/tip probably not, unless it was undocumented /me clutches perls)
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20:31 < vortexx> thanks thrig 
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20:48 < anelli> ssm_: sorry to bother again but is openbsd.amsterdam good for email? vultr pulled a fast one on me and refused to open port 22 lol. so yeah i wanna be extra sure that i can host email this time xD
20:48 < anelli> port 25*
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20:52 < vortexx> anelli: I seem to remember a presentation by Mischa, they did/do allow port 25 traffic as many wanted to host their mail there
20:52 < vortexx> (mostly low volume stuff I guess)
20:53 < vortexx> I have a server there but the only mail is run over vpn to my homelab
20:53 < vortexx> well not a server, a VM
20:53 < anelli> vortexx: oh very cool. thank u :)
20:57 < WhyNotHugo> +1 to obsda.ms for this exact same role!
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21:02 < ssm_> anelli: openbsd.amsterdam is... overpriced, but that can be justified since you can know some of that money is going to the openbsd foundation. however, something like buyvm/frantech provides similar specs at less than half the price (which in turn you could also just donate the difference to openbsd, which is more than the 10-15 EUR openbsd.amsterdam gives). buyvm seems to be at capacity at the moment 
21:02 < ssm_> though, there are similar cheap vps's, though I can't guarantee the security trackrecord or uptime for those
21:02 < quinq> wth
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21:03 < quinq> I didn't know that vultr was blocking 25
21:04 < anelli> ssm_: hmm don't wanna gamble again as it's my first time but i'll check these options thx :)
21:05 < anelli> quinq: yeah https://docs.vultr.com/what-ports-are-blocked?lang=en&gspk=dHJveWNsYXJrNzM4Ng&gsxid=wQpnVuVRFBud
21:05 < anelli> you open a ticket and explain everything you'll do. aaand then they say no. well some ppl online got it unblocked but  yeah it's sad
21:08 < thrig> I asked them using my sysadmin charm and they opened it
21:09 < sibiria> OCI (oracle cloud) allows inbound/outbound port 25 if you just ask them. only a matter of formality
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21:10 < sibiria> and openbsd runs well on their Arm stuff
21:10 < sibiria> as a bonus, they give a lot of server capacity entirely for free (for now)
21:10 < anelli> thrig: i'm jelly
21:10 < anelli> sibiria: ppl say orcal bad i think
21:10 < sibiria> dunno. i've used them for 2.5 years. not a single problem of any sot
21:10 < sibiria> sort*
21:11 < anelli> bad like... evil 
21:11 < sibiria> aren't they all?
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21:11 < sibiria> but you need to progress to paid tenancy, and some people don't entirely like that
21:11 < anelli> oh
21:12 < anelli> ya i don't like weird stuff. either free or not :b
21:12 < sibiria> i've read some stories about people having their OCI setups pulled, supposedly for "no reason at all". i'm inclined to believe there was *some* reason
21:12 < anelli> free hosting is sus
21:12 < anelli> sibiria: aw :(
21:12 < anelli> thrig: yk what
21:12 < anelli> i'll pull up to my isp hq and rizz them up to get a PTR
21:12 < anelli> will it work?
21:13 < sibiria> there's nothing suspicious about the free resources they give away. they are trying to take market share from AWS and Microsoft
21:13 < anelli> that's fair
21:13 < sibiria> AWS, too, gives resources for free. a lot of them do
21:13 < anelli> i hate all big tech tbh lol
21:13 < anelli> mostly why i selfhost
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21:14 < sibiria> you could host this, too, at home. just run a wireguard tunnel between you and an external host to get a static IP with PTR facsimile
21:14 < sibiria> no need to run the entire setup externally
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21:15 < anelli> i'm too dumb for that. maybe i'll transition to it after i'm comfy with hosting mail
21:16 < anelli> lol i was too captivated by openbsd.amsterdam website's minimalism that i'm kinda sad they need js for payment
21:16 < quinq> They don't
21:16 < anelli> i don't do much webdev but i think it's possible to process payments without js methinks? idk
21:17 < anelli> quinq: stripe
21:17 < sibiria> they're a bit pricey for a single core with 1GB of RAM. but it's for a good cause after all
21:17 < anelli> "You need to enable JavaScript to run this app."
21:17 < anelli> sibiria: yeah. tbh i'd rather donate myself like ssm_ says
21:17 < quinq> anelli, you don't need an app
21:17 < anelli> i'm too lazy to donate so it's cool lol
21:17 < quinq> I just transfer money
21:17 < anelli> quinq: oh how
21:17 < quinq> I call my banker
21:18 < sibiria> "my book-keeper"
21:18 < anelli> dam
21:18 < anelli> i wish i could do that
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21:18 < quinq> You don't have a phone?
21:18 < anelli> no long story
21:18 < sibiria> story: "i'm paranoid"
21:18 < sibiria> wasn't that long
21:19 < anelli> egypt blocks international transactions until you make a credit card with your employer which takes time. i use my sister's 
21:19 < anelli> sibiria: nah i actually would do that if i had the option. i hate online payments
21:19 < anelli> i tried with last employer and the HR are so incompetent i gave uplol
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21:20 < anelli> i buy everything from physical and bulk stores anyways. just some stuff u gotta buy online smh
21:20 < quinq> Ah yeah, it's not that easy outside of SEPA
21:21 < anelli> oh EU?
21:21 < anelli> i wanna move there
21:21 < quinq> Yeah, that's one thing that's good about it
21:22 < anelli> i like how yall can travel between countries without paperwork it sounds fun
21:22 < anelli> in the eu that is
21:22 < quinq> Yeah
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21:22 < quinq> Though politics in the EU are getting hard these days
21:22 < quinq> Especially if you're not from there :/
21:22 < k0ga> quinq: you can do also a transfer to support scc
21:22 < anelli> aw what happened
21:23 < quinq> long story
21:23 < sibiria> people abusing european peace and hospitality happened
21:23 < anelli> fairs
21:23 < quinq> Full neoliberalism, people getting richer on one side, poorer on the other side
21:23 < quinq> Now of course extreme right rises up
21:23 < sibiria> why can't you pay for this with paypal?
21:24 < quinq> So of course, who's to blame? Immigrants!!
21:25 < quinq> Not people actually harming the system, but meh.
21:25 < anelli> rip i legit wanted to do my studies there. middle east is bad for non conservatives
21:25 < anelli> sibiria: nah. i tried. all banks block in and out. i think you can make an account for stuff coming in but i haven't tried
21:26 < anelli> legit thinking of xmr but it sounds cumbersome to manage lol
21:26 < quinq> k0ga, I already pay for the infrastructure ;p
21:27 < anelli> it seesm to still be in the works according to @ports
21:29 < anelli> or ports@.. am getting used to it :b
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21:32 < anelli> i'll become a mailinglist-head once i get them mails selfhosted. trust
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21:36 < quinq> nice :)
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22:17 < oldlaptop> re openbsd.amsterdam: they make the fairly unique in-kind contribution of actually running vmm(4)/vmd(8) in production as a commercial service, which has done a lot to improve them
22:18 < anelli> nice
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22:20 < oldlaptop> nothing wrong with money (or rather nothing on-topic here), but it's not that
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23:45 < that_lurker> I do love how open they are on how the things are set up https://openbsd.amsterdam/setup.html
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23:46 < anelli> same. i trust them with my life
23:46 < rcf> I’m almost tempted to try them now. 
23:46 < anelli> hehe
23:47 < seninha> Same, but their plans are more expensive than my current vultr one.
23:47 < anelli> true
23:47 < anelli> that's why i went with vultr
23:47 < seninha> this ^
23:47 < anelli> but i hate buerecrats
23:47 < anelli> (i can't spell)
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23:48 < anelli> (am referring to the port smtpd incident 18th april 2025)
23:48 < that_lurker> yeah, the price is a negative, but they are a small service with 24 servers
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23:57 < RootCellar> I use Hetzner for hosting because they're even cheaper than Vultr
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