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00:08 < that_lurker> I use Hetzner as well. Though i'm looking into netcup as their root servers are priced well
00:08 < that_lurker> (https://www.netcup.com/en/server/root-server)
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00:12 < RootCellar> that_lurker: those are priced pretty well, wow
00:13 < that_lurker> and they also have deals every now and then https://www.netcup.com/en/deals
00:15 < anelli> RootCellar: are they gud 4 mail?
00:16 < RootCellar> anelli: I think they block mail traffic for the VPS servers by default and you have to put in a request to get them unblocked. The dedicated physical servers don't seem to ship with that limitation, though
00:17 < RootCellar> having lower prices than most, they get lots of abuse reports because people will spin up a cheap VPS and start send their mail spam
00:17 < RootCellar> so they blocked it
00:17 < RootCellar> s/send/sending/
00:25 < anelli> RootCellar: the dedicated is expensivvvvv
00:25 < anelli> tbh i don't minnd paying more to not deal with humans
00:26 < RootCellar> anelli: cheaper than Vultr dedicated physical servers, at least
00:26 < anelli> $5 is already a lot :b i won't go for dedicated
00:27 < anelli> but thx for the info i'll keep it in mind. it's my first time hosting
00:27 < anelli> s/hosting/renting a vps/
00:28 < RootCellar> anelli: You're welcome.
00:30 < that_lurker> Hetzner has a nice system for the requests and if you write the reasons proberly you will have no or very little human contact
00:32 < anelli> mayb
00:32 < that_lurker> and even though they no longer make installing openbsd an option you can still do it through the rescue image system
00:33 < RootCellar> that_lurker: I think they still do have a way to do it that isn't the rescue image system, that's what I used when I set up this VPS
00:33 < RootCellar> lemme look
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00:34 < that_lurker> I think the removed openbsd from the image list somewhat recently. Too lazy to login so can't verify :-)
00:34 < RootCellar> that_lurker: when you buy a VPS, you just pick some Linux, let it boot, and then click the VPS in your list and go to the ISO Images tab, and mount the OpenBSD one and just reboot
00:34 < RootCellar> install76.iso I think
00:35 < RootCellar> sorry, "install76_amd64.iso"
00:35 < that_lurker> ahh nice
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00:35 < RootCellar> then you click the button to get the web VNC console and do your thing
00:36 < that_lurker> Would have been nice to know when I set this vps up, but I was lazy back then as well. Now I have to live with Ubuntu server
00:37 < RootCellar> that_lurker: an unfortunate circumstance indeed
00:37 < that_lurker> indeed. Though I do run a lot of services in this vps so it's not all bad (though debian would have been better or you know openbsd)
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01:32 < oldlaptop> if (on a linux one) you get a grub menu at any point, you could bootstrap an openbsd installation through that
01:33 < oldlaptop> (grub's kopenbsd is not recommended for actually booting openbsd, but it should get bsd.rd booted for you the one time)
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04:44 < debugbsd> Good morning!
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11:49 < anthk_> puts "good morning"
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12:20 < xse> i just reinstalled openbsd over itself on a laptop - like delete+create the obsd partition -> set to obsd data type -> install. I'm not sure how that works but reusing the same fde password all my partitions were kept the same size
12:21 < xse> that was pretty quick i even took a picture to recreate them and did not need to use that
12:22 < sibiria> anthk_: perl -e 'print "give me a $_\n" for split( "", "goodmorning" )'
12:24 < sibiria> xse: openbsd is pretty friendly with not zapping partition table or disk labels pre-emptively. if you just point it the right way with start/end cylinder on an unaltered part of the disk, it'll find its way just fine
12:25 < sibiria> i had to rescue an openbsd installation several times in the past the same way, on an unruly motherboard with a VIA SATA controller that kept bungling up the partition table
12:25 < sibiria> that is, i had written the partition table down so that i could restore it manually
12:33 < xse> yeah that's not something i was super confortable doing with the windows dualboot + fde but in the end pretty much everything was right in the [preselected option things]
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12:35 < sibiria> that's also a good trick to keep in mind when wanting to do a new installation on top of old disk labels, and wanting to keep the contents intact on some of them (e.g. your old /home or some label used for backups etc.)
12:36 < sibiria> the installer can load your current disk labels it finds on a pre-existing openbsd partition
12:36 < sibiria> and the labels you *don't* provide a mount point for, will be left untouched
12:36 < sibiria> conversely, the ones you give a mount point to will be newfs'd and zapped
12:37 < sibiria> so you can safely do a fresh install on top of a previous one and retain any of the previous labels you may want to keep, without having to backup/restore
12:39 < xse> quite useful
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