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02:11 < emmanuelux> hello why high cpu at boot in /usr/libexec/sftp-server (child of shd-session: root@notty), it last 5 mns
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02:28 < e54> Me and OpenBSD = Love, Hate relationship. 99% Love 1% Hate. That 1% is painfull
02:28 < thrig> details unclear
02:32 < e54> thrig: Hello, everytime i check out OpenBSD your here. Are you the leader of the pack?
02:33 < johnjaye> where do you buy your intel NICs
02:34 < johnjaye> i've seen videos of people assembling routers with individual components then putting openbsd on it
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02:36 < lts> Removed from old servers, or ebay
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02:39 < lts> Running ix(4) and em(4) based NICs here, with no issues. re(4) based NIC crashed a few times, won't use those anymore.
02:44 < e54> maybe amazon. Will saying amazon get me banned :D
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02:50 < emmanuelux> i have found, i am stupid, it is sshfs that use sftp, so at boot most, i dont know why sshfs use so much bandwidth at boot, it is vscode may be cause it uses sshfs
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03:12 < e54> emmanuelux: Is that a question?
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03:36 < e54> Exa: you are known
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03:55 < rkta> I try to debug a cronjob, I'd like to call the shell script from this one job with -x. If I do 'sh -x script' I only see the function calls in the trace output. How can I see what's happening inside those functions without modifying the script?
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06:43 < ssm_> rkta: bash has a SHELLOPTS extension that lets you do this; as for our ksh... I can't find anything
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06:45 < IcePic> Functions can have two attributes, “trace” and “export”, which can be set with typeset -ft and typeset -fx, respectively. When a traced function is executed, the shell's xtrace option is turned on for the function's duration; otherwise, the xtrace option is turned off. The “export” attribute of functions is currently not used. In the original Korn shell, exported functions are visible to shell 
06:45 < IcePic> scripts that are executed.
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07:42 < mischief> hello from new interborp
07:44 < mischief> something is horribly broken in dhcp6leased on my new connection
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07:48 < Posterdati> :(
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07:54 < mischief> it's spamming lease acquisition every 1 second in a loop and i do not quite understand why
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08:00 < ssm_> it's trying to tell you ipv6 is terrible
08:02 < IcePic> ipv6 is the best thing since nated v4.
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08:06 < mischief> worked fine at the old place on comcast, probably just google webpass doing something silly
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08:22 < mischief> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8525bb00/
08:22 < mischief> this is a single second of output of dhcp6leased
08:22 < mischief> seems like some kind of timeout is fucked
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08:33 < sonya> or pltime/vltime somehow screwed/ignored..
08:36 < renaud> how can I see if the limits in /etc/login.conf.d/something are correctly applied to an user with /sbin/nologin as its shell?
08:37 < sonya> mischief: parse_dhcp: IA_PD, IAID: 00000000, T1: 0, T2: 0
08:37 < sonya> T1 and T2 could be the reason.. T1 should/recommended to be a half from pltime (it's a renew time)
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08:43 < sonya> renaud: try  # su -l  -s /bin/sh _tftpd  (as example)
08:45 < renaud> no, that doesn't work, but " doas -u USER /bin/ksh -c "ulimit -a" works to some extent, but I can't see my login.conf.d/file being applied
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08:45 < Lucas_> renaud: is it a real class or is it something to be used in rc.d?
08:46 < renaud> https://dpaste.com/H38QWKNLW
08:47 < Lucas_> so, it's from rc.d
08:47 < Lucas_> not a real class
08:47 < renaud> the user _dnsdist is in dnsdist class
08:48 < Lucas_> anyways, you can probably change the rc.d and use `rc_pre` with something like `ulimit -a; exit 1`
08:49 < Lucas_> and run `rcctl -d start dnsdist`
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08:49 < renaud> I start dnsdist with runit, but that shouldn't be an issue, or is it?
08:51 < renaud> but, even in this case, what I have in login.conf.d/dnsdist should be seen when I do the ulimit as this user
08:51 < mischief> sonya: right.. i confirmed it in wireshark after taking a pcap on my openbsd box. really weird
08:51 < renaud> I should have "nofiles 32768"
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08:53 < Lucas_> idk. Does runit honour /etc/login.conf? aka uses any of the login_* functions?
08:53 < renaud> "ksh -l" should honor it
08:53 < Lucas_> why?
08:54 < Lucas_> there are no calls to login_* in ksh code
08:54 < Lucas_> only /usr/bin/login does honour it
08:54 < Lucas_> and rc.d
08:54 < renaud> doesn't "ksh -l" do a login?
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08:55 < Lucas_> idk. If only the code was publicly accessible to inspect what -l actually does..
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09:00 < Lucas_> or the manpage, which also explains what -l does
09:01 < renaud> yes, it's written  there that it honors profiles, and that's all, but is it?
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09:06 < renaud> or, I suppose one should never assume that a flag called "login" calls "login"
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09:13 < IcePic> well, it could well be that from ksh's perspective it does things only done for login sessions, which may or may not be the same as all the things "login" proper does
09:13 < IcePic> as in setting ulimits per login.conf groups and things like that.
09:13 < IcePic> for ksh it might be "run /etc/profile and not just /etc/kshrc" or whatever those different files are named
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09:20 < mischief> sonya: in rfc8415 it says t1/t2 0 lets the client decide when to renew, so maybe thats not it
09:24 < sonya> mischief: good point.. 
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09:32 < mischief> damnit
09:32 < mischief> dhcp6leased is just naive
09:33 < mischief> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sbin/dhcp6leased/engine.c#L1113
09:33 < sonya> no client's decision i guess?
09:33 < sonya> hmm..
09:36 < mischief> going to patch this and find out if it fixes it
09:37 < IcePic> yay, doing the Science(tm)
09:37 < renaud> it's amazing that ipv6 has all the dynamic stuff builtin but most use other means for autoconfig
09:39 < IcePic> depends on what you aim to do. An ISP having one /64 between customer and them and then a /56 or larger behind it will have to send lots more info than just "random client went on to wifi and hears about a def-gw that could be used"
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09:41 < mischief> mother fucker, it worked
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09:43 < mischief> https://bpa.st/R2HQ
09:44 < mischief> too bad this will probably miss 7.7 :-/
09:44 < renaud> "probably"? :)
09:45 < mischief> idk, wishful thinking vs openbsd's antique update model
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09:45 < renaud> you can still use -current, that's more modern rolling release :)
09:46 < mischief> i will probably just run stable and use a patched binary like i did with httpd
09:47 < mischief> (https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/b0c10c99a47c40fe9bf179fc795704f8edac117d was me)
09:47 < renaud> I also have some patched binaries on -stable. That's just a little bit annoying when you upgrade
09:48 < IcePic> well, if you would accept patches at literally any time, you would never be able to make a release
09:48 < renaud> well, som euse -current on servers
09:48 < mischief> sure
09:48 < IcePic> which I think is that netbsd was doing at the time openbsd forked off it, just waiting for that one extra thing to stabilize, then that other small thing, then that extra platform, then ..
09:53 < mischief> i'll write a mail
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09:57 < sonya> mischief: congrats!
09:58 < renaud> I'd like to see how people will react with the proposal to move ssh-agent socket in $HOME/.ssh
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10:01 < renaud> zelest: what's the difference between putting ssh-agent socket in $HOME/.ssh instead of /tmp? Only the user that has created it (and root) has rights on it, so being in $HOME/.ssh or /tmp shouldn't change much. Or am I missing something?
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10:02 < zelest> unveil :)
10:02 < zelest> firefox/chromium can't read your ~/.ssh/
10:03 < zelest> That's the problem, with unveil, you basically hide stuff (from yourself, user-wise)
10:03 < zelest> Where a lot of program still needs access to /tmp to function properly, not all programs need access to ~/.ssh/
10:03 < renaud> so, that's just for the case where a process you started yourself, which is patched to use unveil is compromised?
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10:04 < renaud> while I agree in general, that the socket would be better in $HOME/.ssh by default for humans
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10:04 < zelest> Yes
10:05 < zelest> I think Linux uses XDG_RUNTIME_DIR or something for it
10:05 < renaud> but your patch only assumes graphical apps being compromised
10:06 < zelest> Yeah, my patch assumes (wrongfully) that one only runs a ssh-agent on their workstation.. and that the workstation use xenodm :)
10:06 < IcePic> then again, browsers are the main entrance to someones home account, is it not?
10:07 < zelest> Mhm
10:07 < renaud> probably, but I feel this should be the default eveywhere, not just for people using xenodm
10:07 < zelest> I also noticed that you can't add a unveil path in /etc/firefox or /etc/chromium *without* permissions
10:07 < renaud> the issue being with service users without a valid $HOME
10:08 < zelest> Otherwise one could except stuff like $SSH_AUTH_SOCK from /tmp
10:08 < IcePic> renaud: are those users having a lot of ssh-agents running?
10:08 < renaud> IcePic: they should not, but it could happen
10:09 < IcePic> renaud: sure, but such a user would have a hard time logging in via xenodm in order to have an issue with this patch at least
10:09 < zelest> Not sure if this is an issue at all, really.. but it just hit me yesterday that your ssh-agent socket is wide open for both firefox and chromium, which normally are very tight pledged/unveiled.
10:10 < renaud> it might make sense, but it should be more general, not only for xenodm
10:10 < zelest> It's the only thing that starts ssh-agent automagically for you though?
10:11 < zelest> One could of course change ssh-agent itself to a different default, but that feels like a pretty huge change.
10:11 < zelest> The default is also $TMPDIR/.... so one could easily change their $TMPDIR as well I guess..
10:12 < zelest> Anyways, lunchtime! :D
10:12 < renaud> yes, that's a huge change, but it might make more sense in general, although, it would only "protect" people with an OS with unveil
10:13 < renaud> enjoy your lunch
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10:14 < renaud> your patch would not "protect" people using gdm for example
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10:17 < sonya> could you please check  $ tail -n1 /etc/login.conf ... thanks
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10:18 < renaud>         :tc=daemon:
10:18 < sonya> thanks a lot..
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10:23 < Posterdati> hi!
10:23 < Posterdati> is it out? :)
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10:23 < renaud> 7.7? no :)
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10:47 < itrsea> Suckless DWM on OpenBSD is smooth.
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11:14 < Posterdati> :( uau auua I want 7.7! :(
11:16 < IcePic> /dcc send Posterdati 7.7/lunam88k/install77.img
11:17 < Posterdati> luna de no longer existing architecture
11:17 < Posterdati> motorola 88k
11:18 < IcePic> you could think that, but you'd be wrong. =)
11:19 < pony> what about 68k
11:19 < pony> can I get openbsd on a sega mega drive cart? :)
11:19 < oldlaptop> There were m68k arches until relatively recently
11:19 < oldlaptop> (I think at least one outlived vax?)
11:20 < IcePic> my amiga runs obsd 3.2-ish
11:20 < pony> aw
11:20 < IcePic> haven't booted it in a while though
11:20 < oldlaptop> netbsd is at least nominally quite a bit wider in supporting weird/dead systems (including sega *dreamcast*, if that's your thing?) - mileage may vary?
11:21 < pony> nice
11:22 < oldlaptop> (perhaps an openbsd port wouldn't be all that outrageously impossible for an interested party given the existence of landisk)
11:22 < IcePic> then again I fear that many of the nbsd arches are on lifesupport, getting packages and binaries cross-built from x86
11:22 < oldlaptop> but new ports to hardware that hasn't been made for twenty years are questionably by nature
11:22 < oldlaptop> IcePic: That's what one hears.
11:23 < IcePic> then again, this is someones nintendo wii running netbsd: https://blog.infected.systems/posts/2025-04-21-this-blog-is-hosted-on-a-nintendo-wii/
11:23 < oldlaptop> their "tier one" is substantially *smaller* than openbsd's set of arches (which also aren't all equal but are all at least self-hosting)
11:28 < Posterdati> 88k is toit 68k
11:28 < Posterdati> 88k is not 68k
11:28 < oldlaptop> Indeed.
11:28 < Posterdati> I have an amiga with blizzard 2040 and netbsd on it
11:29 < Posterdati> amiga 2000
11:29 < oldlaptop> m88k is not *quite* to m68k as itanic is to i386
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11:40 < zelest> renaud, Those who use gdm probably run Gnome and have: SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/home/testuser/.cache/keyring-THDD52/ssh
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11:44 < zelest> $ grep 'Apr 23 13:4.*pkg_delete: Removed ' -c /var/log/messages      
11:44 < zelest> 258
11:45 < zelest> nice to see that gnome doesn't have so many dependencies :D
11:53 < sonya> looks like recreation of gnome2 could be nice, as they (gteam) drop X11 support anyway..
11:54 < renaud> you mean, like mate desktop?
11:55 < sonya> just make it possible to build gnome2 from ports at least.. i'm not familiar with mate..
11:55 < zelest> mate is gnome2 :)
11:56 < sonya> oh.. o'k..
11:56 < renaud> except mate is supported :)
11:57 < zelest> :D
11:57 < vortexx> mischief: congrats on fixing dhcp6leased, quick question, why do you need to run on a vport vs the rge0 interface?
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12:05 < Posterdati> I want 7.7 and lilly sabry!
12:05 < Posterdati> sabri
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12:06 < vortexx> Posterdati: did you fix your FTTH connection to get it working under OpenBSD in the end?
12:15 < renaud> Posterdati: feel free to compile it from scratch, you should probably be abel to find some source code on the interweb :)
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12:17 < renaud> I guess it will be available on Friday and announced around the 30th :)
12:24 < vortexx> one thing I've noticed on 7.7 is the ulimit was too low for processes running vi daily.local. I upped them in login.conf (this was for duplicity)
12:24 < vortexx> s/vi/via
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12:24 < renaud> which processes? Some stock ones?
12:25 < renaud> ah, daily.local
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12:35 < vortexx> it's possible duplicity has gotten even greedier than before
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12:36 < vortexx> Max open files of 128 is too low, should be >= 1024.
12:36 < vortexx> Use 'ulimit -n 1024' or higher to correct. 
12:36 < vortexx> this is the error
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12:41 < renaud> I use borg nowadays
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14:18 < renaud> oh, nginx 1.28.0 is out. Too bad it's after 7.7
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14:25 < vortexx> renaud: any special features in 1.28?
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14:53 < topoi> Hi, I just did some upgrade chain from 7.2 to 7.6 with sysupgrade and each went fine except the last one where I'm now no longer able to login as root due to some error: https://paste.debian.net/1371110/ - does anyone has an idea what happened and how to fix it?
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14:55 < topoi> The error is at line 23: "bash[20376]: pinsyscalls addr f7a5eae68a8 code 253..."
14:56 < dax> did you also update packages (pkg_add -u) at each step?
14:56 < thrig> replacing root's shell with something prone to break may not be an ideal move
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14:56 < topoi> dax: Damn, I did not.
14:56 < lts> What shell will root use with "boot -s"?
14:57 < sonya> boot -s and fix root shell at least..
14:57 < dax> topoi: i would guess that the problem is an old bash that hasn't been updated with openbsd's syscall security changes, then
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14:58 < dax> (and i agree with the other people talking)
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14:58 < lts> If it still tries to use bash, mounting the disk with installer USB should allow the root shell to be changed
14:59 < topoi> thrig: that's a good point, I'll use sh instead in the future. I did not expect bash to break somehow.
15:00 < topoi> lts: Wow, that helped, I could use sh with this. Thanks!!
15:00 < lts> Awesome
15:00 < pardis> any binaries not part of the base system will break briefly sooner or later, in between doing sysupgrade and pkg_add -u
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15:13 < topoi> sonya: do you have any hints how to accomplish this? I'm missing a lot of programs (i.e. coreutils) as far as I can see. Even 'ed /etc/passwd' seems not to work properly and returns '/tmp/ed.qiBKARbDJA: Read-only file system' instead.
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15:16 < topoi> Ohh, my filesystem wasn't clean, I could remount rw now.
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15:21 < vortexx> topoi: don't forget sysmerge after every sysupgrade as well
15:21 < eea> also, grats on making it thru all those upgrade steps with only 1 oops
15:22 < eea> i did one the other day, 7.5 to 7.6 and oops, forgot the new opensmtpd pkgs
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15:23 < topoi> eea: well, I did forget 'pkg_add -u' on each release which is hard to top, I guess.. : )
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15:27 < IcePic> put it in rc.local before going on a upgrade spree
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15:31 < eea> i took some #openbsd advice... pkg_add -u is in a daily cron
15:32 < eea> when the emails start complaining that the pkg site no longer exists... i buy a tshirt and do upgrades
15:33  * oldlaptop wonders who gave this terrible advice
15:33 < pardis> asking #openbsd for advice can be a bit like Russian roulette
15:34 < sibiria> i run "pkg_add -us" in cron and let it alert with e-mail when something is available so i have some control of what's happening and when
15:34 < eea> i don't think it came from here directly... 
15:34 < pardis> pkg_add -u in cron is probably not *so* bad on -stable
15:34 < eea> maybe a link 
15:34 < pardis> but is an awful idea on -current
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15:34  * oldlaptop dislikes sibiria's version much less
15:34 < eea> alsp, i only use the stable releases
15:34 < oldlaptop> probably still inconveniently noisy on -current?
15:35 < oldlaptop> (perhaps useful inconvenience)
15:35 < eea> could see that... but i only have a handful of hosts
15:35 < eea> and good email filtering
15:35 < eea> thanks opensmtpd ;)
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15:37 < johnjaye> do the different BSDs use different types of pkg?
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15:37 < pardis> yes
15:37 < johnjaye> ok.
15:38 < oldlaptop> at one point the commands at least all had the same names (and maybe at some point even further back they were all descended from a common ancestor)
15:38 < eea> 386bsd, no?
15:39 < oldlaptop> not even that holds true anymore; openbsd's pkg_foo are (IIRC) reimplementations of the originals, freebsd has completely replaced them, and netbsd has sort-of replaced them
15:39 < pardis> I thought NetBSD had completely replaced them with pkgsrc
15:39 < phy1729> https://github.com/weiss/original-bsd is useful for sluthing, but that seems to predate pkg utilities
15:40 < pardis> 386BSD was probably too early to have a packaging system in the modern sense
15:40 < eea> and i thought freebsd went full rpm style
15:40 < johnjaye> freebsd you can do full rpm style or use ports. or both, but that's obviously bad
15:40 < pardis> the idea of a distributed network of package mirrors required every user to have a reliable Internet connection and for storage to be cheap at mirror sites
15:41 < eea> ^
15:42 < oldlaptop> when last I cared netbsd still had commands named pkg_foo, which (IIRC) were to pkgin as dpkg is to (apt-get|aptitude|apt|whatever)
15:44 < johnjaye> i think it's confusing that dpkg and apt are different. you would think searching remote package repositories and already installed packages would be linked together.
15:45 < Lucas_> I have 3 servers running -current which I unattendly `sysupgrade -s` from weekly
15:45 < Lucas_> never had issue with those
15:45 < Lucas_> I did have issues with a botched syspatch on -stable tho
15:45 < Lucas_> :)
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15:46 < topoi> Wow, I've my root shell back, thanks to each of your advices!! I'll make sure to follow the procedure more closely in the future. I used 'boot -s' on boot, remounted / as rw and put the beloved /bin/ksh back in /etc/master.passwd with ed.
15:46 < johnjaye> my power fluctuates sometimes leading me to have to reset all my devices
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15:48 < phy1729> You could have just chsh, but I guess ed works
15:49 < sibiria> s/could/should/
15:49 < sibiria> never manually poke around in passwd/master.passwd!
15:50 < vortexx> or mount /usr, export TERM=vt100 or whatever suits you, and you can use vi to edit files
15:50 < vortexx> and that gives you vipw too
15:50 < topoi> phy1729, vortexx: chsh didn't work somehow, I don't exactly remember why. I had to fsck and remount /usr/ before but it still wouldn't work. I also tried vipw with the same success.
15:51 < vortexx> topoi: possibly you needed to mount /tmp as well
15:51 < vortexx> depending on your layout
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15:51 < topoi> vortexx: ahh, this could be, I didn't try that.
15:52 < vortexx> wouldn't be surprising, it takes some practice to get these procedures right when rescuing
15:54 < rkta> ssm_: Thanks, I will just make a copy and call this in the cronjob.
15:57 < phy1729> You can   mount -a  to get all the usual stuff mounted
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18:32 < mischief> vortexx: rge0 is wan, vport0 is the veb port for the lan. dhcp6leased needs to listen for pd on rge0, and then it assigns the pd prefix block to vport0 (which i believe rad(8) later picks up)
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18:34 < mischief> been thinking about dropping the veb and using plain old routing. not sure it makes a big difference though
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19:00 < gnucode1> weirdly speculative question...in my mind...arc4random (), pledge (), unveil (), re-linking libraries upon reboot, the anti-ROP techniques,  have been some of OpenBSD's latest awesome security features.  What do ya'll think the next cool security feature will be?
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19:01 < vortexx> mischief: I see, I'm glad my ISP doesn't make me do things like that
19:01 < mischief> no ipv6?
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19:03 < ssm_> gnucode: a small pufferfish that will fix bugs in your security(8) output
19:03 < lts> "You should have 13 asterisks in there"
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19:14 < Vuokko> I found that there is a math/octave package. however octave has own packages but are those available for openbsd as binary packages? I'm looking for control and signal octave packages for starters
19:14 < quinq> p/20
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19:16 < vortexx> mischief: fixed wan IPv6 + /64 subnet
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19:56 < Posterdati> hi
19:57 < Posterdati> please help, how can I change the default www directory from /var/www to /home/www ? Thanks!
19:58 < quinq> Look at httpd.conf(5)
19:58 < quinq> (man httpd.conf)
19:58 < quinq> And search for that path
19:58 < pardis> assuming that's the web server you're using
19:58 < Posterdati> openhttpd
19:58 < zelest> pardis, obviously dhcpd, where the lease db is stored ;)
19:59 < quinq> ;p
19:59 < Posterdati> quinq: thanks
19:59 < oldlaptop> if you're doing this in the service of some other goal, it's probably better to describe that
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20:50 < zelest> Anyone who happen to know why /etc/firefox/unveil.socket is disabled by default?
20:51 < zelest> (the reason I ask is because I enabled it and enabled a few extra things in about:config and stuff seems to work fine)
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20:52 < phy1729> Commit message points to upstream bug #1713999
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20:59 < Bradipo> phy1729: Well, that bug appears to be "RESOLVED".
20:59 < Bradipo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1713999
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21:01 < phy1729> It mentions webrtc being broken though
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21:02 < zelest> Oh
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21:03 < zelest> it works fine though :)
21:03 < phy1729> Maybe it was forgotten
21:05 < zelest> actually, nevermind
21:06 < zelest> it leaves me with a zombie process :o
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21:37 < begriffs> .np
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22:43 < fan> hi
22:43 < anelli> hi
22:43 < fan> i need help
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22:44 < fan> do not start X server
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22:45 < fan> then do not start xenodm
22:45 < anelli> i will >:) just kidding. are both of them not working?
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22:48 < fan> yes
22:49 < fan> and dig size font in terminale
22:49 < fan> *big
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22:51 < fan> 640x480
22:51 < fan>  screen
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22:51 < anelli> hmmm what do you get when you `# rcctl -d start xenodm'
22:51 < anelli> do you get any errors
22:58 < fan> (ok)
22:58 < fan> no errors
22:58 < anelli> hmmm
22:58 < anelli> alright so
22:58 < anelli> what do you see when you do ctrl+alt+F5
22:59 < fan> black screen
23:00 < anelli> weird
23:00 < anelli> okay so
23:00 < anelli> anything in ~/.xsession-errors?
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23:03 < fan> not exist file
23:04 < fan> openbsd do not see my videocard
23:04 < anelli> not sure tbh. did you configure anything? like was it working before or is this a fresh install
23:04 < anelli> oh
23:05 < anelli> sure put your dmesg in a pastebin. we have some in /topic
23:07 < fan> i install openbsd 7.6. The graphic mode worked
23:07 < fan> After rebooting - no
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23:18 < anelli> you def should upload a dmesg if you suspect it's a video problem. i think there's a pastebin you can upload to from the terminal
23:18 < anelli> lemme c
23:19 < anelli> fan: here http://termbin.com/
23:19 < anelli> it has an example with `ls -la'. put in dmesg instead
23:19 < anelli> and post a link
23:20 < anelli> idk much about video or drivers but someone more knowledgable would chime in eventually
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23:38 < fan> https://termbin.com/rckr
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23:55 < mischief> vendor "NVIDIA", unknown product 0x1401 (class display subclass VGA, rev 0xa1) at pci1 dev 0 function 0 not configured
23:55 < mischief> your video card isn't supported. sorry.
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