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00:00 < mischief> it's btrfs with transparent compression.
00:01 < Bradipo> It might be, but if you ever have to scp the dump file somewhere, the target might not be, and you'll have to transfer all that uncompressed stuff over the wire.
00:01 < Bradipo> Though, I suppose you could use ssh -C
00:02 < Bradipo> You should profile which is faster, with or without gzip and/or -C.
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00:03 < mischief> eh, i can just compress it on the fly if it's ever sent somewhere else
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00:04 < mischief> that said, i wonder if it would make the dump complete any faster
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00:04 < mischief> even with -b64, dump says it only runs at ~33M/s
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00:05 < mischief> not even close to what the network or disks can handle.
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00:06 < Bradipo> Yeah, I guess it depends on where your dumps are going.
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00:07 < mischief> raid 1 on lvm on 2 hgst disks
00:07 < mischief> not particularly fast but definitely faster than what dump is currently reporting
00:07 < Bradipo> Right, but is it going over LAN or over slower link, that's what I mean.
00:07 < mischief> lan, 2.5gbit
00:09 < mischief> hm. dump -b64 -0auf - / | pv -o /dev/null says 125M/s which seems closer to what it should be, being a sata ssd
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00:50 < vortexx> ssm_: I've been wondering about whether you could to cu or ppp on demand... jcs's article mentioned using socat so he could dial BBSes or use ppp
00:53 < Bradipo> I remember way back in the day...
00:53 < vortexx> ssh freezing isn't good. Maybe try enabling telnetd (via inetd.conf) just in case?
00:53 < Bradipo> I used to be able to dialin and get a shell, but then I could initiate ppp on demand.
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01:03 < adonis> on ssh of my system I want to change PS1 to = '$ ' if the env variable TERM='dumb' is set.. I tried putting that logic in .profile but PS1='\h\$'. Any suggestions?
01:03 < adonis> my terminal when TERM='dumb' is sh.
01:03 < adonis> my shell sorry..
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01:06 < vortexx> Bradipo: yes I think it should be possible with some wrangling
01:06 < adonis> does sh use .profile ?
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01:29 < jmcunx> adonis: If OpenBSD, try : ls -li /bin/sh /bin/ksh
01:30 < jmcunx> they are linked
01:31 < adonis> that didn't make it very obvious that they are linked but I see they are the same filesize
01:32 < quinq> Same inode means same file
01:33 < adonis> ok, yup they are link
01:33 < adonis> linked
01:35 < adonis> my situation is a bit weird.. I want my normal user to have its shell be fish shell, but if I ssh with TERM='dumb' I want it to change the shell to something else
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01:39 < adonis> I do have it working but I wonder if there's a way to get the system to properly use the right shell directly, without first launching into fish shell and then in it's config running sh shell.
01:39 < quinq> Hummm, what's the actual issue?
01:39 < quinq> Doesn't fish shell know how to use terminfo?
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01:40 < adonis> Let me rephrase. If my user has fish shell set, upon ssh'ing in is there a way to get the os to launch me into another shell if TERM='dumb' without it first launching through fish?
01:40 < quinq> You could have it exec-ing another shell depending on TERM value
01:41 < adonis> quinq: yea that’s what I have now.. in my fish config I determine if TERM='dumb' and exec sh through there.
01:42 < quinq> Not really
01:42 < quinq> You have to execute something, which is what you configured (fish shell here)
01:42 < adonis> Ok, yea i figured. The user's shell is the entry execution environment right? Makes sense.
01:42 < quinq> You could execute something else, which would be another shell, that would then switch, but that's what you're already doing
01:43 < adonis> yup.. is there a downside to doing that?
01:43 < adonis> not like theres alternatives lol, but just curious..
01:43 < quinq> That you duplicate whatever fish is doing during its initialization
01:44 < quinq> But I wouldn't worry too much about it
01:44 < adonis> ok :). Thanks. Yea the whole reason for this is so I can get emacs TRAMP to work
01:46 < quinq> I hope that TERM=dumb is an example and not litteral dumb
01:46 < quinq> Unless that's actually your local terminal terminfo set
01:46 < adonis> no, its literal
01:47 < adonis> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/tramp/Remote-shell-setup.html
01:47 < quinq> Well then you're breaking the interface contract between whatever application uses terminal feature and the terminal
01:47 < adonis> it can be changed though. but that’s the default
01:47 < adonis> search for 'tramp-terminal-type'
01:48 < quinq> oh my
01:48 < quinq> GNU strikes again
01:52 < quinq> Anyway, good night! :)
01:52 < adonis> yup! Thanks!
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06:16 < dkjds> i updated to 7.7 and now X doesn't work properly
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06:18 < zelest> How so?
06:18 < ssm_> dkjds: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log have to say for itself?
06:18 < ssm_> and /var/log/xenodm.log if it's relevant
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06:20 < dkjds> how can I clear the system logs?
06:20 < zelest> remove them?
06:21 < zelest> and what do you mean by system logs? /var/log/messages is truncated automagically
06:21 < dkjds> it is a small black screen with the pointer, which I cannot activate by keyboatd
06:21 < zelest> ctrl+alt+backspace?
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06:22 < dkjds> it flashes for a moment, then the same black screen
06:22 < dkjds> i need to restart xenodm to switch to the x screen
06:23 < zelest> try ctrl+alt+f1 and login to the console and see
06:26 < dkjds> there is nothing suspicious in xenodm.log
06:30 < dkjds> in xorg: "driver was compiled without kms and 3d support" - ???
06:31 < dkjds> not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) - ????!
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06:32 < dkjds> no errors though
06:33 < zelest> have you ran fw_update and pkg_add -u after the upgrade?
06:33 < dkjds> and the screen is red for some reason
06:34 < dkjds> why would I? X is not a package
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06:36 < zelest> fair enough, just trying to rule out if you start anything else with X :) fw_update though?
06:36 < zelest> enabled aperture?
06:37 < dkjds> fw_update doesn't do anything
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06:37 < zelest> add machdep.allowaperture=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf and restart
06:37 < zelest> if that fails, try 2
06:38 < dkjds> aperture is set to 2
06:38 < zelest> hmms, than I'm out of ideas :/
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06:38 < zelest> did it work fine before the upgrade?
06:38 < dkjds> of course
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07:22 < Posterdati> hi
07:22 < Posterdati> please help
07:22 < Posterdati> dependency lang/python/3,-main:python->=3.11,<3.12:python-3.11.10p0 in lldb-17.0.6p3 does not match any installed package
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07:22 < Posterdati> any hints?
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07:26 < jxl> good morning, eutz! does anyone know if Tomaš Rodr does both the release art and the product setup on the store (iirc, that's on teespring)
07:26 < jxl> or is the store thing done by someone else?
07:28 < prahou> jxl: no, I only drew the poster
07:28 < prahou> afaik the store is managed by job
07:31 < jxl> prahou: first off, thanks for the art! the missus always appreciates it :)
07:32 < jxl> this time she wanted socks with that bit, and as its "pixely", it seems to be doable. i just wanted to find out if that's an option that's available to do in general, along side the shirts and hoodies, or if that's not offered as a print/production option
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07:34 < prahou> jxl: sadly I do not have an answer for you 
07:34 < jxl> that is fine. i'll email. do you have an email? i'm cautious about jumping to the conclusion that it's job@openbsd.org :)
07:34 < prahou> that's the one :)
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07:35 < jxl> boy, i bet he gets job application emails from time to time
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08:03 < jhuhn> I'm trying to export a default route using bgpd, but I can't see anything being exported when I check with the command 'bgpctl sh ip bgp neigh xxx out'. Do you have any idea what might be causing this issue? I've already set 'export default' in my bgpd.conf file.
08:04 < jhuhn> I know ospfd only redistributes a default route if one exists in the fib. But shouldn't bgpd always announce the default route when configured to do so?
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08:32 < dkjds> i updated to 7.7 and now X doesn't work properly
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08:38 < jhuhn> It looks like bgpd doesn't announces default routes on ebgp, is this correct?
08:38 < jhuhn> At least not using 'export default'
08:39 < Posterdati> what is this? -> https://pastebin.com/XpAMTxQp
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09:29 < Lucas_> kodcode: follow Stuart Henderson advise
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09:51 < jxl> Posterdati: im still running a pre-release snapshot, and on that pkg_check goes "lldb-13.0.0p7 has too many dependencies: python-3.12.9"
09:52 < jxl> not sure what "too many" is meant to imply here (is it optional?), but imho a dependency is a dependency and that's kind of that, regardless of how many there are. i'll go skim the ports logs.
09:57 < jxl> Posterdati: you probably want to update llvm/lldb, as 17 was rm'd from the ports tree by tb@ in late February
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10:00 < dkjds> can I revert a single set?
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10:11 < IcePic> dkjds: probably not, why?
10:12 < dkjds> because the upgrade broke things
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10:14 < zelest> the only way forward is forward! bump to -current! :D
10:14 < zelest> and if it's broken, debug it further, fix it, submit patches! ;)
10:14 < IcePic> yeah, failing forward is probably easier
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10:46 < dkjds> I don't have "current" folder on my mirror
10:47 < sibiria> you're free to use any mirror you want
10:48 < dkjds> none of mirrors I check seem to contain it
10:51 < sibiria> the directory is called "snapshots"
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11:00 < kodcode> Lucas_: who is Stuart here? (I sent an email to @ports too)
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11:23 < dkjds> what does red screen mean?
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11:28 < Lucas_> kodcode: there is no Stuart here (as in IRC). Stuart Henderson replied to your email.
11:30 < kodcode> Lucas_: Oh, thanks. I am not subscribed, so thanks for the update.
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11:32 < Lucas_> in those cases, it's good idea to clarify that in the email so people can Cc you. Some people do Cc the senders, some not. Some mailing lists have strict etiquettes against cc'ing the sender. OpenBSD's lists aren't one of thoses.
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12:05 < Posterdati> jxl: how did you resolve it?
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12:41 < vortexx> ssm_: how often does ssh hang?
12:42 < jxl> Posterdati: I didn't. I said "no" (the default) and went to take a nap :))
12:43 < Posterdati> nice choice
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12:47 < vortexx> meh, bind stopped serving a zone, so I just cranked the zonefile serial and removed the zone.db.* stuff and it started working again
12:47 < sonya> Posterdati: that means in 7.7 no python-3.11 and all remains and deps should be deleted and (re)installed
12:47 < vortexx> sonya: why did you want a 3Gb / ?
12:48 < sonya> vortexx: ??
12:48 < oldlaptop> that's not enough to fit a whole DVD as /dev/sda
12:50 < sonya> Posterdati: # pkg_check -Fnvv .. shows the list of 'unmaintained' files (which not belong to base system and ports/packages)
12:50 < vortexx> sonya: wasn't it you that decided the other day to repartition your machine with much larger partitions for / /usr and maybe /usr/local ?
12:50 < sonya> vortexx: yes..
12:51 < sonya> oh.. i left with 3Gb / .. too lazy..
12:51 < sonya> /dev/sd0a      2.9G    2.1G    673M    77%    /
12:52 < sonya> but yes.. i need to increase / up to 5-10Gb..
12:52 < vortexx> 3Gb is huge if you have all the usual ones
12:52 < vortexx> usual partitions that is 
12:53 < zelest> It looks like a single one though
12:53 < zelest> seeing he uses 2.1G :D
12:53 < sonya> i have /var , /usr/local , /usr/src and /tmp as separate labels
12:53 < zelest> he/she
12:54 < sonya> but / contain all of the (rest of) base system, yes
12:54 < lts> Is "Verify that the /usr partition has a size of at least 1.1G" really enough still? Ref. https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade77.html
12:55 < lts> I'm seeing more like 1.6GB being used, with all the standard partitions
12:55 < sonya> 1.9 here
12:56 < vortexx> lts: 2Gb is just about enough I find, probably 2.5-3Gb would be better as amd driver keeps growing
12:56 < vortexx> or /usr/share will have to be it's own partition
12:56 < sonya> 1002M   /usr/share  .. here's at 7.7
12:57 < phy1729> doas du -hscx /usr/    1.6G    /usr/
12:57 < sibiria> my / has so far never taken up more than 200mb. any day now, amd. any day...
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12:58 < vortexx> if you need to extract ports.tar.gz I found with 2Gb I needed to double the number of inodes
12:58 < phy1729> You'll probably need a bit over 1.6 for upgrades though
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12:59 < sibiria> phy1729: you do, yeah. 1.6gb is right at the limit of the userland itself
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13:01 < sonya> doas du -sh /usr/*  ... https://clbin.com/L3BWS
13:01 < lts> Funny that the upgrade77.html says 1.1G if it's not really enough for.. anyone?
13:02 < sibiria> vanilla arm64/7.6 wants 1.6gb for /usr. amd64 something like 1.8 or 1.9
13:02 < sibiria> for a fresh install, before first call to syspatch
13:02 < sibiria> olde documentation is olde
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13:06 < vortexx> it's getting to the point where you might need to format /usr from bsd.rd before doing the upgrade
13:06 < vortexx> I guess lots of systems need repartitioning
13:07 < vortexx> or just delete /usr/share/relink/
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13:08 < sonya> well, that's why i left a couple of labels and now thinking: repartition or just mount another label as /usr and drink a cup of..
13:09 < sonya> but as long as it works i'm not going to do anything :))
13:11 < vortexx> I think some VMs had issues with /usr whilst upgrading but I was able to fix by removing /usr/share/relink and rerunning the upgrade
13:13 < vortexx> my main issue is too many systems have 350Mb for /usr/X11R6 and need to go to 512Mb at a minimum
13:13 < anexit> hi
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13:17 < anthk_> . /usr/X11R6 it's almost 1GB sized in my machine
13:18 < rIMpossible> Hello. How can I reconstruct/check/recover the passwd database. my user is in both, /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd . I have no experience with that, but want to learn (instead of reinstalling the whole sys)
13:18 < rIMpossible> syspatch is not possible, due to same reasons, I guess
13:20 < jxl> rIMpossible: how do you mean recover or check? have you forgotten the password and can't log in?
13:23 < rIMpossible> jxl: No, one of my machines crashed twice and left the system in an obviously unknown state. pwd_mkdb(8) seems to have sth. to do with the pw database
13:24 < rIMpossible> If I would have forgotten the pw, I would login single-user and change it
13:24  * sonya compared the content of /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC.MP/ with ./usr/share/relink/kernel.tgz from base77.tgz.. seems all is fine.. was a bit worried as content of relinking modules is not 'maintained' by 'pkglocate'..
13:28 < sonya> rIMpossible: i'm really afraid to advise 'vipw' as it could easily ruin all things up..
13:29 < vortexx> rIMpossible: vipw to check your user entries and use passwd to reissue user pass? (Or restore from backup :) )
13:32 < jxl> rIMpossible: to keep things terse and not repeat, see `man 5 passwd` followed by `man 8 pwd_mkdb`.
13:33 < jxl> that will tell you about the relation between the password database files, and how they come about.
13:34 < rIMpossible> sonya: vortexx: jxl: thank you, I will read all about
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13:37 < sonya> oh.. ans as we talked about labels and sizes, i remember that years ago check of # du -sh /dev - was a wondrous invention :))
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14:13 < WhyNotHugo> I have a wireguard server and a client connecting to it. I want to connect a second client, and for the server to router traffic between the two. Is net.inet6.ip6.forwarding=1 enough for pakets to get routed? Or do I need some additional setup?
14:16 < IcePic> wg for those three needs to allow it, specifically the clients need to include the other client in the AllowedIPs setting
14:17 < IcePic> (wgaip for hostname.wgX) 
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14:23 < WhyNotHugo> Thanks!
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14:40 < vortexx>  well well well... Dell are doing 
14:41 < vortexx> XPS 13 laptops with the Snapdragon® X Elite X1E-80-100 cpu
14:43 < vortexx> unexpected, makes for an alternative to Macs
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14:45 < johnjaye> is it common to have openbsd on self-build hardware, like if i want to replace my isp router?
14:45 < RobbieAB> vortexx: Does it have a nipple mouse and real buttons? Or is it just a horrible clicky touchpad
14:48 < vortexx> RobbieAB: it's Dell so no. You want Lenovo for that
14:48 < RobbieAB> vortexx: I will stick with my thinkpad so. :) 
14:48 < vortexx> johnjaye: a lot of us do that  
14:48 < RobbieAB> Though I know Dell and HP have done nipples in the past.
14:49 < johnjaye> vortexx: i've always wanted to do it but never had time
14:49 < RobbieAB> johnjaye: Depends on what you mean by self-build hardware.
14:49 < RobbieAB> I have openbsd on an Alix, which may or may not count as self-built, and on a very old AMD E350 system which was definitely self-assembled.
14:50 < vortexx> RobbieAB: I don't click I tap on my touchpad (XPS 13). Including for double or triple click
14:50 < vortexx> Though I know Dell and HP have done nipples in the past. <--- are we talking 25+ years ago?
14:51 < miah> RobbieAB: me too! (AMD E-350) powers my mpd / music nas
14:51 < avemestr> johnjaye: Any old PC could work as a router with OpenBSD installed - and at least two network interfaces.
14:51 < RobbieAB> I was thinking 15 years...
14:51 < RobbieAB> miah: Mine is actually serving as a switch/git server/VPN endpoint
14:51 < avemestr> johnjaye: Obviously, a new computer could do it as well.
14:51 < miah> my bios date is 2011 =)
14:52 < RobbieAB> I got it to serve as a media center, it never actually got run into that role.
14:52 < RobbieAB> For MPD, I would have to go with the Alix
14:52 < IcePic> johnjaye: I think it can be fairly common, like have a small (preferably silent) pc for router, then add an AP in bridge-mode for wifi and control it lots more easily by having PF on the router than whatever crap the vendor tries to have you run
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14:53 < RobbieAB> Though I wonder if I can get a battery pack to run the Alix for a couple of hours, in which case, portable music player time...
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14:53 < IcePic> johnjaye: it depends a bit on how you get internet delivered. For triple-play things (cable-tv, phone and internet) it could get tricky to get it all working, but for internet only it should be doable
14:53 < miah> i have a equally weird nas for my media (plex) (it runs linux :(. AMD Turion II, its a HP Microserver
14:53 < miah> probably also from ~2011
14:53 < sonya> X Elite X1E-80-100 .. expensive stuff.. n305 is my current favorite cpu :))
14:54 < RobbieAB> miah: I am really sad the display cable on my HP Mini 2133 has died, I wanted to turn it into an openbsd netbook.
14:54 < miah> love those old 'low power' systems. they're weird. not very powerful. but they have been really solid pieces of kit
14:54 < miah> awwww
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14:55 < RobbieAB> Nicest keyboard in the size category ever, cool if weird touchpad, and really awesome speaker. All wrapped in a nice brush alu shell.
14:55 < RobbieAB> Pity the actual computer parts were a bit pants.
14:55 < miah> looks like a really cute lappy
14:55 < RobbieAB> It was. I am tempted to see if one of the cheap laptop repair places can replace the display cable which I think is the failed component.
14:56 < miah> you can probably order a new cable on ebay and repair it yourself
14:56 < miah> anyways.. almost 11. time for pottery.
14:56 < RobbieAB> I know how that project would turn out...
14:56 < miah> have a nice one folks
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14:56 < johnjaye> IcePic: i believe i am internet only yes
14:57 < johnjaye> and by self build i mean like i saw a guide where someone was buying hardware and assembling it into a box and then basically used it to connect their ISP
14:57 < sibiria> which is a pretty standard thing to do, really
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14:58 < sibiria> but if you want something of your own *only* to route internet traffic for you, you can get away a lot easier and cheaper than a whole PC
14:58 < johnjaye> that's what i mean yes.
14:59 < RobbieAB> If you have never done a self-build project before, I would probably suggest starting with a low-end PC though.
14:59 < johnjaye> it was a small cheap setup. i.e. you could hold it in your hand
14:59 < sibiria> various integrated small-board computers along the lines of Raspberry Pi are pretty popular for this purpose
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14:59 < RobbieAB> Not sure they count as self-build personally. Buying a board and sticking it in a case...
14:59 < IcePic> sibiria will be glad to talk about Odroids for this
14:59 < IcePic> I rant about edgerouters
15:00 < RobbieAB> But agreed, they are probably a better option for a pure home router system.
15:00 < sibiria> the odroid is indeed one of many lords and saviors
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15:01 < sibiria> raspberry pi with a USB ethernet dongle... ghetto setup but it gets the job done
15:01 < vortexx> I tried to replace the keyboard in my XPS 13 9310 last night only to discover to my horror the kbd assembly is glued to the palmrest block. And of course Swiss version is no longer available in 2025...
15:02 < vortexx> (5 years on )
15:02 < RobbieAB> It's a consumer notebook class... Not surprised.
15:04 < vortexx> sibiria: till the USB driver / stack has a moment
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15:05 < vortexx> RobbieAB: XPS is top of the line
15:05 < vortexx> not consumer
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15:05 < vortexx> but it is an ultrabook
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15:12 < johnjaye> RobbieAB: buying a board and sticking it in a case meets the threshold of "self-built" in my book
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15:20 < rIMpossible> vortexx: jxl: sonya: FEEDBACK. It seems, the two panics during system upgrade corrupted the pwd database(s). Solution: move /etc/master.passwd to /etc/somename and rebuild with pwd_mkdb -p /etc/somename (full path expected!)
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15:21 < rIMpossible> Thank you for pointing me there, interesting experience with high blood level ;-) and a big time save
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15:23 < jxl> rIMpossible: awesome! I'm glad it all worked out for you. :)
15:25 < rIMpossible> jxl: man, I would hug you, if I could. 2 days saved
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15:41 < vortexx> yw rIMpossible 
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15:47 < rIMpossible> vortexx: vipw(8) did not help. Sorry, no hug for you and sonya this time :p
15:50 < rIMpossible> group file seems also to be corrupted. 
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15:59 < rIMpossible> ok, now fully functional
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16:28 < Bradipo> I know that OpenSSH supports CA certificates for user keys...
16:28 < Bradipo> Does it also do the same for host keys?
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16:57 < sonya> rIMpossible: congrats!
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17:32 < sonya> Bradipo: https://serverfault.com/questions/242434/docs-for-openssh-ca-based-certificate-based-authentication
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17:40 < Lucas_> Bradipo: yes, it does. ssh-keygen(8) for details.
17:42 < Lucas_> pff, OpenSSH certs are around since 5.4? TIL
17:43 < Bradipo> Ahh, I was looking at the wrong man pages... I read through ssh_config and sshd_config, but didn't think to look at ssh-keygen.
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18:29 < sibiria> what's the correct procedure for populating /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC after switching an install made on MP kernel over to SP?
18:30 < sibiria> is it just a matter of moving things over and removing the MULTIPROCESSOR macro?
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18:34 < sonya> sibiria: just a guess: stop relink, reboot with bsd.sp as bsd (rename/move), delete GENERIC.MP , extract GENERIC from ./usr/share/relink/kernel.tgz ( base**.tgz ) , enable relink if needed, reboot - check..
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18:35 < sibiria> oh right, the object files are provided from the base... d'oh
18:35 < sibiria> thanks for the reminder
18:36 < sonya> but what'll be with syspatch - i dunno, sorry
18:40 < sibiria> it probably checks the correct running kernel with sysctl, like the kernel reordering script
18:40 < sonya> o'k.. thanks..
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18:51 < Feigr> I wanted to compile ytree from the downloaded source, because I am changing some stuff in the code. In the Makefile there is a section that you uncomment specifically for OpenBSD, but make gives me the error: "ld: error: unable to find library -lcompat"
18:52 < Feigr> the line in the Makefile looks like this: "LDFLAGS    = -lcurses -lcompat -ledit"
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18:56 < mischief> did you try linking without it
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18:58 < johnjaye> what does this command tell you? pkg_info | grep '^lib'
18:58 < johnjaye> do you see edit and ncurses in it?
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19:04 < Feigr> johnjaye: I do not no
19:05 < Feigr> mischief: I get another error then: "ld: error: undefined symbol: re_comp"
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19:13 < johnjaye> Feigr: ld --verbose | grep SEARCH should show the search dir for the linker
19:13 < johnjaye> so you'd have to check each one to see what you have
19:13 < johnjaye> and if you don't have compat but have curses then install the lib for compat from pkg
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19:16 < sonya> Feigr: i think that libcompat (-lcompat) is absent in OpenBSD (not ported or other reasons could be).. so, try to delete -lcompat from LDFLAGS, make distclean, configure and gmake/make again .. and! as johnjaye said: add "--allow-shlib-undefined -v" instead of "-lcompat" to Makefile's LDFLAGS..
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19:19 < Feigr> johnjaye: that gives me: "ld: error: no input files"
19:19 < sonya> Feigr: in general, man ld - search 'undefined'.. there're some tricks, like --undefined=symbol if things are screwed up..
19:20 < sonya> and yes, this is a really BAD advice, sorry..
19:20  * sonya is gone fishing..
19:21 < Feigr> sonya: make distclean gives: "make: don't know how to make distclean"
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19:28 < Lucas_> Feigr: use the flags that the port use, which do get ytree built
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19:28 < Feigr> Lucas_: yeah, what's the simplest way to check that, that isn't downloading the ports tree :)
19:29 < Lucas_> https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/misc/ytree/Makefile
19:30 < Lucas_> also mind the patches
19:30 < Feigr> ah thanks
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19:42 < johnjaye> does anybody know a good youtube channel about building custom hardware?
19:42 < johnjaye> even if it's just, take board and case and put openbsd on the result
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19:42 < johnjaye> (re my previous question about a router)
19:42 < thrig> for openbsd the trick is getting devices that work well with the os
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19:52 < fan> it does not trick, it is Severe reality
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20:03 < mischief> libedit and curses are in base
20:03 < mischief> so.. no pkg
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20:04 < sibiria> does the Makefile take /usr/local into account? not an uncommon oversight
20:04 < sibiria> ah, base, no need
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20:08 < mischief> johnjaye: maybe you'd like an odroid-h4
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20:32 < johnjaye> hmm. i may have that.
20:32 < johnjaye> it was some kind of odroid
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20:39 < mischief> my current openbsd gateway is an odroid-h2+ with net card
20:39 < johnjaye> mischief: what do you use it for? just as a gateway?
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20:51 < mischief> firewall and gateway
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20:53 < mischief> runs various things for my network. relayd frontend w/ tls, dhcp/v6 pd, smtp forwarder, caching dns, time server, tftp, etc
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20:55 < johnjaye> i don't even know what half those things do.
20:56 < johnjaye> sounds very impressive though
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21:48 < fan> tell me please
21:49 < fan> I created directory of user
21:49 < fan> mount /dev/.. /my directory
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21:51 < fan> my directory is root wheel
21:51 < fan> why?
21:52 < Bradipo> What filesystem is on /my ?
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21:54 < fan> Bradipo: ntfs
21:54 < sonya> fan: because you mounted as root and omitted mount options.. man mount - search uid/gid options..
21:56 < fan> how to open a file for reading and recording?
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21:57 < thrig> what does recording mean
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21:57 < sonya> fan: for ntfs, it's ro, if not force ntfs3g to rw.. man 8 mount.ntfs-3g (and pkg_add ntfs_3g), but now a lot of folks not recommend to use ntfs with ntfs3g as rw..
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21:59 < fan> thrig: write
22:00 < fan> sonya: why?
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22:02 < sonya> they say it's unstable and could corrupt somehow.. i don't know, because only use ntfs as ro (read-only) for dualboot and as rw with samba (i have some windows pc's here and there)..
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22:06 < sonya> fan: i mean i have no experience with current ntfs-3g.. some times ago i used it, fixed ntfs partition a couple of times after sudden power disconnect (had no ips), afair..
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22:10 < fan> sonya: I have hdd with FS NTFS. There many files. I should their edit
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22:12 < fan> ntfs-3g changes user user -> root wheel
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22:13 < fan> i do not open file for edit. only read
22:14 < sonya> fan: then pkg_add ntfs_3g , man 8 mount.ntfs-3g (please, read it) and good luck.. or use windows.. 
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23:20 < OwlWizard> hi im having a rather weird networking issue and wanted to see wether someone here could help me.
23:20 < OwlWizard> i have just reinstalled openbsd7.7 on a machine that before ran 7.6 and now even after trying to set up the network card the same way as before it seems not to work.
23:20 < OwlWizard> i can ping websites like openbsd.org but as soon as i try to use something like curl or even pkg it never works with different reasons given by each program.
23:20 < OwlWizard> i hope this is enough info and if not im willing to provide more
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23:22 < Bradipo> Sounds a lot like PMTU discovery problems.
23:22 < Bradipo> What are the reasons given?
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23:23 < OwlWizard> curl tells me that it could not connect to the server. pkg says it cannot find a route
23:25 < OwlWizard> ive also tried a different network card which did not change anything
23:25 < Bradipo> Do you have a default gateway?
23:25 < OwlWizard> not that i know
23:25 < OwlWizard> oh
23:26 < OwlWizard> it is directly connected to the router though
23:26 < Bradipo> Can you pastebin the output of: route -n show
23:28 < thrig> ping -s 65467 openbsd.org
23:28 < OwlWizard> i just remembered something. when installing i skipped the networking steps (saying none or done) since the last time i had a few issues with it.
23:28 < OwlWizard> is there a way i can redo those? i do know how to pull up a and configure a network interface 
23:29 < Bradipo> You can just learn how to configure the interface at this point.
23:29 < Bradipo> man hostname.if
23:30 < Bradipo> To "pull up and configure" you just type "vi /etc/hostname.if" where "if" is the name represented by the NIC.
23:30 < Bradipo> You can type: ifconfig
23:30 < Bradipo> To see a list of network interfaces (or look through dmesg output).
23:30 < OwlWizard> i know how the hostname files work on a basic level since i got it working before but maybe i am missing something
23:30 < Bradipo> Well, it's usually pretty simple.
23:31 < Bradipo> If you're using DHCP it's a simple word "dhcp" in the file.
23:31 < OwlWizard> currently it just contains a line "inet ipv4address" the address is obviously substituted by the address i want
23:31 < Bradipo> Well, that's fine.
23:31 < Bradipo> If ipv4address is the correct address then at least you have that.
23:32 < OwlWizard> it is
23:32 < Bradipo> Does "route -n show | grep default" have any output?
23:32 < OwlWizard> yes it does
23:32 < Bradipo> Ok, then can you ping the gateway?
23:33 < OwlWizard> wait
23:33 < OwlWizard> yup
23:34 < Bradipo> Can you ping something beyond it like 8.8.8.8 ?
23:34 < OwlWizard> also yes
23:34 < Bradipo> Can you ping cdn.openbsd.org ?
23:35 < OwlWizard> very much so
23:35 < Bradipo> Can you "ftp https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.6/amd64/INSTALL.amd64" ?
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23:41 < OwlWizard> "ftp: connect: no route to host"
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23:44 < Bradipo> What about: telnet cdn.openbsd.org 443
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23:45 < Bradipo> If that fails, what about: telnet anoncvs.spacehopper.org 22
23:45 < OwlWizard> also no route. it also tells me that it cant assign the requested address
23:46 < OwlWizard> also no luck with spacehopper
23:46 < Bradipo> What error?
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23:46 < OwlWizard> same as with openbsd
23:46 < Bradipo> Sounds like you have a network problem beyond your router.
23:47 < Bradipo> Can you connect to your router's IP on any port?  e.g. telnet <routerip> 443
23:50 < OwlWizard> it denies the request
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23:51 < mischief> i like mtr for this
23:52 < Bradipo> mtrace?
23:52 < mischief> no, mtr.
23:52 < Bradipo> mtr is not in the manual or the PATH.
23:53 < mischief> you have to install it, silly goose
23:53 < Bradipo> Haha.
23:53 < mischief> a bit difficult when your network is broken, though :-)
23:53 < OwlWizard> was just about to say
23:53 < OwlWizard> ngl i am tempted to try a reinstall tommorow
23:53 < Bradipo> OwlWizard: When you say "denies the request", what do you mean?
23:54 < Bradipo> I fail to see how a reinstall will fix anything if you've correctly configured the network.
23:54 < mischief> you could run a tcpdump and see what's going on
23:54 < OwlWizard> "telnet: connect to address 'my router address' permission denied"
23:55 < Bradipo> So yeah, maybe tcpdump would show something.
23:55 < mischief> or a big hammer might be to just lower your mtu
23:55 < OwlWizard> i just dont know wether i configured it correctly
23:55 < Bradipo> Is that an ICMP network prohibited error?
23:56 < mischief> show your hostname.if
23:56 < Bradipo> tcpdump will help here.
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23:56 < Bradipo> MTU only causes slowness, not "permission denied".
23:56 < Bradipo> MTU causes communication to hang, not to be rejected.
23:56 < Bradipo> Run tcpdump and see what ICMP is coming back when you try to telnet to something.
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23:57 < OwlWizard> how do i tell you what tcp dump produces when i cant really get the data out of it
23:58 < mischief> tcpdump -s 1024 -n -tt -v -e -i <your interface name> icmp
23:59 < mischief> then run say ftp or curl.
23:59 < Bradipo> Try that ftp command above for example.
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