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00:00 < OwlWizard> both on the same machine right?
00:00 < Bradipo> Yes.  Use multiple terminals.  Or tmux.
00:00 < OwlWizard> tmux was what i had in mind
00:00 < Bradipo> I didn't know if you were familiar with tmux or not.
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00:03 < OwlWizard> nothing on the tcpdump
00:04 < Bradipo> Which interface did you use with -i ?
00:04 < mischief> you could erase the `icmp` filter and look at all traffic, including TCP. perhaps there is no ICMP error returned.
00:04 < OwlWizard> im using re0
00:05 < Bradipo> Oh, good point, I assumed it would be ICMP since "permission denied" might correspond with ICMP code 9, 10, or 13.
00:05 < Bradipo> But sure, just dump everything without the "icmp" filter.
00:07 < OwlWizard> without the icmp there seems to be something comming through. i just cant see it well since there is alot of noise in there
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00:08 < Bradipo> I wonder what could be producing so much noise...
00:08 < Bradipo> Is it other traffic from other systems on the network?
00:08 < Bradipo> Maybe filter it by your host only or something?  "host ipv4address"
00:08 < OwlWizard> i cant tell since most of the things comming up is just numbers
00:09 < Bradipo> Are you on a hotel network that has a login wall or something? :-)
00:09 < OwlWizard> im on my home network using ethernet. it does have a password but that iirc isnt required with ethernet
00:09 < Bradipo> So you mean the WIFI has a password?
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00:10 < OwlWizard> yes
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00:10 < Bradipo> I doubt that's relevant.
00:10 < OwlWizard> so do i
00:11 < Bradipo> But if you're seeing a lot of noise then that means something is communicating on the network.  Can you filter the tcpdump output using "host ipv4address" where you put in the ipv4 address on re0?
00:11 < OwlWizard> slowly i will have to go to sleep saddly enough.
00:11 < OwlWizard> im sorry for stealing your time.
00:11 < OwlWizard> i wont give up though and try more tommorow
00:12 < Bradipo> Ok, get some rest.
00:12 < OwlWizard> thanks. i hope this wont keep me up lol
00:12 < Bradipo> Also, verify that the IP address that you've assigned in /etc/hostname.re0 is actually correct and has the proper subnet.
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00:13 < OwlWizard> i will keep that in mind
00:13 < OwlWizard> good night and maybe till tomorrow
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00:18 < emmanuelux> upgrade to 7.7, no pb
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00:18 < Bradipo> There's peanut butter in the install?
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00:26 < thrig> or lead free
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00:34 < vortexx> Bradipo: it's inet autoconf in hostname.if now, not dhcp, but I think dhcp still works (for now)
00:34 < cation> it appears that my openbsd router doesn't finish booting if I am not connected to its serial console... I know it begins booting because if I reboot it while disconnected from the console then wait a few minutes and connect to the console, I can see it in the middle of booting (starting the network) and its uptime will be a few minutes long... what might be causing this?
00:35 < vortexx> that seems very odd cation 
00:36 < vortexx> it shouldn't be necessary for you to be connected to it for it to boot
00:36 < vortexx> maybe the network is taking a really long time to come up?
00:36 < cation> this did not happen with the previous machine I used as my openbsd router, but it has been happening witht his one
00:37 < vortexx> what's the new hw?
00:38 < cation> I think I just happen to notice the network coming up when I connect to the console as it's the first boot step for me that takes a while to complete (I run dhcpleasectl with a 60 second timeout in the primary network interface's /etc/hostname file)
00:38 < cation> the new one is a Protectli VP2420
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00:57 < Bradipo> vortexx: dhcp still works for me. :-)
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00:58 < Bradipo> hostname.if(5) says 'The token "dhcp" on its own line without any options is short for "inet autoconf".'
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01:09 < vortexx> yep
01:10 < vortexx> cation: I've no experience with protectli but I believe others here have
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01:32 < vortexx> well this is very strange, ever since I upgraded this vm to 7.7, irssi decided to no longer log
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01:47 < Bradipo> vortexx: Sounds like a good thing. :-)
01:57 < vortexx> not really, I use it logs to keep track of issues. Also irssi wasn't even bumped a version
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02:03 < quinq> vortexx, must be out of storage space
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02:06 < thrig> or ktrace might help?
02:10 < vortexx> I turned it back on and it's working, plenty of storage
02:12 < Bradipo> Using ktrace is one way to fill up storage fast.
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02:15 < thrig> but then we would know there's a disk issue
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02:17 < vortexx> the upgrade did happen when the raid array was missing a disk
02:18 < vortexx> it could be linked to that
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02:18 < vortexx> drive arrived last Friday and array is back to normal
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02:20 < vortexx> going back through the Freenode logs, cation nacelle is a protecli user
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04:43 < Feigr> Is there a way to get xenodm to store the .Xauthority file in a different location than home?
04:46 < Feigr> XAUTHORITY exists as en environment variable, but I am having little luck with trying to use that to change the path for .Xauthority
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04:57 < thrig> modify HOME somehow prior or more likely modify the code
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04:59 < Posterdati> hi
04:59 < Posterdati> please help, how can I force to install 7.7 on the whole disk? Auto Layout during installation configures only 400 GB of disk space. Thanks! 
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05:02 < mischief> edit the partition layout?
05:02 < Posterdati> can't use automatic?
05:03 < mischief> you said it yourself :-)
05:03 < Posterdati> but is there no way to do so?
05:03 < IcePic> is it fdisk or disklabel that says to only use 400?
05:04 < Posterdati> the install tools on the instal77.img I think it is disklabel
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05:06 < mischief> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sbin/disklabel/editor.c#L91
05:07 < mischief> > Anything beyond this leave for the user to decide
05:07 < Posterdati> ok
05:11 < Posterdati> what about the install77.img seems that dd if=install77.img of=/dev/sdX bs=1M resulting in non working installing usb key. Thanks!
05:12 < Posterdati> (writing it from linux)
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05:13 < mischief> did you sync/eject the disk
05:13 < Posterdati> yes
05:14 < mischief> cccccbldhcnftighejriijhecffecidchdubidhteifu
05:14 < IcePic> mispaste.. =)
05:15 < mischief> failed ejection of my yubikey from my dock to test Posterdati's assertion that install77.img doesn't work on a usb stick
05:15 < Posterdati> I downloaded it from cdn
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05:16 < Posterdati> rewriting it
05:16 < mischief> i use one of these lenovo docks on my desktop instead of a laptop, since it's nice to have on my desk instead of reaching to the back of my desktop https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/accessories-and-software/docking/docking-usb-docks/40ay0090us
05:17 < mischief> expensive as hell though
05:17 < Posterdati> performed sync
05:17 < Posterdati> performed eject /dev/sdf
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05:22 < mischief> works fine here
05:22 < mischief> (thinkpad A485)
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05:25 < avemestr> Posterdati: A (very manual!) tip for setting up the partitions: Take a photo of the layout suggested with your phone so you know the letters assigned. Then select the option to start from scratch.
05:27 < avemestr> Posterdati: In the disklabel editor you then do "a a" to add a partition a. It asks for offset and you can just press enter and accept the suggested (goes for all partitions you create). It asks for size and you enter "1G" for 1 gigabyte. It asks for filetype and you can press enter for default (goes for all partitions you create). Enter the mount point looking at the photo you took (goes for all
05:27 < avemestr> the partitions you create).
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05:28 < avemestr> Posterdati: Also, I like to bump the /var partition to something bigger than 4GB. 4GB is A LOT for logs etc, but if the machine in question does server duties like www or database or whatever, you'll probably like more space there.
05:29 < avemestr> Posterdati: Final tip: The last partition to be added is mounted at /home. It automatically suggest to use all remaining space. So your /home will be whatever size is left after creating the other ones.
05:30 < anelli> avemestr: there's an R option for interactive resizing iirc
05:31 < anelli> so no need to recreate from scratch. you can just tune it
05:31 < avemestr> Also, note that when you do "a b" it knows that the type is swap. It should be the only one of this type. Also, skip c and i letters :-)
05:32 < avemestr> anelli: True - but then you'd have to delete a bunch of the partitions to e.g. increase the size of /var because it is placed earlier than many others on the disk.
05:33 < IcePic> avemestr: there is no need to skip i
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05:33 < IcePic> that is just where the first non-bsd fs on the disk ends up, it would use j,k,l if not available I think
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05:35 < zelest> "non-bsd fs? hah! jk lol!"
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05:40 < avemestr> IcePic: TIL :-)
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05:43 < anelli> avemestr: nah i just tried it in a VM
05:43 < anelli> you can do `R k', reduce /home by 1G, then `R e' and increase /var by 1G
05:43 < anelli> no need to delete or shuffle partitions
05:44 < anelli> you only need to make free space after a partition if you're resizing post-install
05:45 < avemestr> anelli: Nice! Thanks for info.
05:46 < anelli> np
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05:46 < IcePic> zelest: yeah, you and me NEVER saw those, but I've heard of them
05:47 < Posterdati> avemestr: thanks, I created partitions as default scheme scaling them to the disk size proportionally
05:47 < Posterdati> anyway installer isn't able to find installation files on the usb key
05:49 < anelli> make sure you're giving it the right drive number like sd0 sd1, etc
05:49 < Posterdati> it is 'disk'
05:49 < anelli> i think it should give you options to choose from after that
05:50 < Posterdati> ah find
05:50 < Posterdati> that there's an sd2 too :)
05:50 < anelli> nice
05:50 < Posterdati> working
05:51 < anelli> it'll tell you it's not verified, continue anyways
05:51 < Posterdati> avemestr: thanks
05:51 < Posterdati> anelli: I know
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05:51 < anelli> alrighty
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05:58 < Posterdati> fresh install mmmmmh what a perfume :)
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06:01 < anelli> idk it smells like plastic :b
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06:05 < mischief> dang, new A485 docks are $21 on amazon
06:05 < mischief> too bad it's such an old machine ;-;
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06:12 < avemestr> mischief: It is almost like the price is somehow influenced by the demand...
06:13 < mischief> i feel like that's not the case for a lot of tech things xD
06:13 < mischief> especially hardware
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07:33 < kodcode> Lucas_: Followed that advice and resolved. Thank you.
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09:58 < polarian> The artwork for 7.7 is cool
09:58 < polarian> when is there going to be a new song though :c
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10:32 < MelMalik> when you write one? (this is a joke)
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11:01 < avemestr> polarian: Diffs welcome :D
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11:05 < polarian> welp I cant write music to save my life, maybe I could convince a friend :P
11:06 < MelMalik> grab a dictaphone and clunk down on the record button, and start whistling
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11:21 < Posterdati> avemestr: thank you for the help
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11:22 < Posterdati> avemestr: I have partitioned using default partitions sizes and scaling them to the new disk size
11:22 < Posterdati> avemestr: should work, I hope :)
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11:26 < Posterdati> the second question is, I wrote a small ksh script to perform dump over ssh, but to access the local disk partitions I had to use root, so I used doas ... how can I use the ssh credentials of the calling user (not the root ones)? Thanks !
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11:27 < Posterdati> doas dump -0u -a -f - ${mp} | ssh user@host "cat >/backup/dir/dumpfile.dmp"
11:28 < Posterdati> ssh will use the config in /root/.ssh/config
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11:36 < avemestr> Posterdati: Perhaps the keepenv option in doas.conf might be helpful.
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11:41 < avemestr> Posterdati: I'd probably use (open)rsync and then only set it up to backup actual user data that change and not everything with crontab. The system conf files can be backed up on an adhoc basis when they're changed.
11:41 < avemestr> But then again, I don't use magnetic tape for backup so I've never considered using dump :D
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11:48 < IcePic> if you are not root, running "doas dump <flags> | ssh" should not use roots config for ssh, the command after the pipe should certainly be run by you
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13:18 < clemens3> hi, the signify public keys on the home page for 7.7, are there other channels to get to the same keys to double check them? thank you.
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13:31 < phy1729> I suppose they're in the github mirror too, but that just syncs off the cvs source. 77-base.pub is  RWSbCCUoGpcxVRmNb/XFYBbthxWMK7G6fNbJhb993Ohuh29WFaT9vhe2
13:31 < renaud_> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/openbsd-77-base.pub
13:32 < phy1729> That's just synced from the ftp site
13:33 < renaud_> it's not in the email announcement, that would maybe be an idea for future releases
13:34 < phy1729> It's really only an issue for your first install. After that the release has the key for the next release
13:35 < renaud_> so he can purchase the latest CD release and upgrade from there?
13:35 < renaud_> just kidding :)
13:36 < renaud_> that said, I also have RWSbCCUoGpcxVRmNb/XFYBbthxWMK7G6fNbJhb993Ohuh29WFaT9vhe2
13:37 < renaud_> but it could be nice to send it within the release email, so it's also stored by mail archives
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13:40 < clemens3> phy1729: git is a good idea
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13:50 < clemens3> and also thanks for confirmation/reposting here
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15:06 < morpho> "installboot: open: Device not configured" "failed to install bootblocks"
15:09 < morpho> Just at the end of installing 77
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15:59 < morpho> Uefi was blocked in bios
16:00 < morpho> Changing that seems to get further 
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16:21 < gnucode> sorry
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16:35 < Posterdati> IcePic: yes, it works, but the script cycles over the partitions in the disk, so every doas asks for password
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18:56 < anelli> hi everyone. is there a way to specify a default directory fore cordumps so they aren't scattered around the system? thx
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19:05 < jxl> what is an equivalent mechanic to newgrp to log into a group in an active session of a user?
19:05 < jxl> i.e. the user has been added to a supplementary group and they're already in, and need to have that group applied to a session or at least a process
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19:06 < mischief> perhaps su - $user or login $user
19:08 < jxl> ...why the hell did i blank on that?
19:09 < jxl> i don't reach for su too often, but i drew a complete blank this time. probably need a nap.
19:09 < jxl> thanks, mischief.
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19:32 < jxl> okay, so, i'll bring up a q that i've posted here repeatedly over time, but i want to try and resolve it once and for all
19:33 < jxl> can someone point me to how to diagnose this: https://pastebin.com/k4wbE5D8 ?
19:34 < jxl> it's not xbacklight itself that is hanging for that time, it's X. at one point, I managed to actually find the bit of code that was responsible for that, and it was a literal call to sleep(3), with a hardcoded time of 5 seconds.
19:34 < jxl> i don't remember how I did that, but it may have been via ltrace or some such. this was over 2 years ago at this point, and I'm not sure at all.
19:40 < mischief> you could ktrace it
19:40 < jxl> o7
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19:41 < Lucas_> you could `grep -r sleep` too
19:41 < Lucas_> idk if sleep comes up in ktrace
19:41 < Lucas_> oh, yes, it should, as nanosleep or smth like that
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19:45 < jxl> Lucas_: I did, for usleep as well, and even though there are some candidates, I'm not entirely sure that's the code that's actually getting executed, so I wanted to make sure.
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19:50 < jxl> is there a way to timestamp the individual traces? can't tell what it's hanging up on
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19:58 < Lucas_> printf in the code
19:59 < Lucas_> it'll show up as a write in ktrace
19:59 < Lucas_> and kdump -R
20:00 < Lucas_> s/and/or/
20:00 < Lucas_> or -T
20:00 < Lucas_> actually, read kdump manpage
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20:03 < jxl> Lucas_: you're right. for some reason, I thought it was decided when ktrace.out gets written, not when read/displayed. 
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20:10 < jxl> okay, so, it's a call to poll(2) somewhere that spends 3 seconds waiting for a response from a call to what seems to be libxcb
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20:20 < ssm_> does spamd.alloweddomains override whitelists, or is it the other way around?
20:20 < ssm_> manpage does not clarify
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20:25 < mischief> jxl: maybe just write to the list, and cc Matthieu Herrb? he seems to be the eXpert ... :-)
20:33 < vortexx> I've been digging through the mailing lists to find out why ppp got tedu'd as a userland command in 5.6, looks like it was old and npppd was collecting much of any functionality pppd didn't have already, plus pppd works better with hostname.if. There isn't much justification directly given though
20:34 < vortexx> https://gekk.info/articles/ppp.html also this page is a great explanation of how ppp works
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20:44 < jxl> mischief: yeah, i've been thinking that
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20:57 < sonya> jxl: https://github.com/openbsd/xenocara/blob/master/app/xbacklight/xbacklight.c:338-349  .. seems like there's step-by-step (from current to desired) changes of backlight with usleep at the end of each iteration.. part of the time is here.. or i'm too dumb, sorry..
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21:07 < Lucas_> jxl: send a dmesg when you do, too. xbacklight works instantly for me, so it might be hardware related.
21:07 < Lucas_> btw, in kdump output, what are the arguments for the sleeps?
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21:09 < jxl> Lucas_: it's not a sleep. it's a poll(2) with a timeout param of INFTIM (-1)
21:10 < Lucas_> is it triggered by xcb_flush?
21:10 < Lucas_> *by the xcb_flush call
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21:52 < sonya> jxl: https://termbin.com/bvyu
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22:55 < cation> https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-7.7/cua.4 says "a process like getty(8) will wait on a dial-in device until a connection is established" - might this cause boot to hang if I have `set tty com0` in /etc/boot.conf and `tty00   "/usr/libexec/getty std.115200" vt220    on secure` in /etc/ttys, and boot with nothing connected to the serial port?
22:56 < Bradipo> It shouldn't.  I boot one of my headless systems without a serial cable attached all the time.
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