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05:05 < debugbsd> hi, good morning
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07:26 < anelli> hi. is there an equivilent to `git status' in cvs that would show if my local copy is uptodate with CVSROOT? thx
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07:36 < IcePic> anelli: if you "cvs -q up" and it doesn't say U/M on it
07:37 < IcePic> or just "cvs -q diff -u path" and see if there are diffs?
07:38 < anelli> IcePic: oh yeah i was tryna avoid that. cvs up takes ages at least for me lol
07:38 < IcePic> you can run it on a single folder if that is important
07:38 < anthk_> morning, greaet release overall
07:39 < anelli> IcePic: oh alr i'll try that. thx
07:39 < anelli> > "cvs -q diff -u path"
07:39 < anelli> will check that too
07:39 < mischief> cvs takes ages no matter what
07:39 < IcePic> anelli: also, one could keep a local cvs repo from rsync for instance, rsync rsync://anoncvs.eu.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-cvs/
07:39 < IcePic> it would be lots faster if CVSROOT points to a local fs
07:40 < mischief> or just clone the git conversion
07:40  * mischief ducks
07:40 < IcePic> sure, if you want git you can have git
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07:42 < anelli> IcePic: yeah i had that too. it's also slow to sync from my other machine in lan xD
07:42 < anelli> can't wait for got lol
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07:52 < anelli> mischief: good idea but me no like indirection :b
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07:53 < IcePic> anelli: what is the actual goal here?
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07:54 < IcePic> for which "knowing if my checkout has diffs or not" is the solution
07:55 < anelli> IcePic: i was tryna check the latest ports to see if there're updates to browsers
07:56 < anelli> i check other stuff there too from time to time
07:56 < IcePic> so why would running "cvs -q up" in /usr/ports/www/ be a bad solution to that?
07:57 < IcePic> (though I would just go with pkg_add -u to get a new browser, not going to compile those beasts myself anyhow)
07:58 < anelli> IcePic: ig i got a habit of updating the whole thing xD that was faster thx. yea i upgrade everything anyways, it's easier to explore available stuff i don't have installed or new stuff via ports tree
07:59 < anelli> yk make search
08:00 < quinq> ok ok, sysupgrade time
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08:08 < anelli> hav fun
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08:15 < dkjds> what are freebsd requirements for the pcs?
08:15 < dkjds> *minimal system
08:15 < rewtkid> this is not the freebsd channel. 
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08:18 < dkjds42> *openbsd
08:18 < IcePic> something like 1G disk, 128M ram
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08:18 < IcePic> I think it can be made to run in 32M or so, but it will hit limits very very fast
08:19 < dkjds42> the base system is 450MB lzma-compressed
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08:19 < dkjds42> and the installer crashes with 1GB RAM
08:19 < dkjds42> those must be really outdated
08:20 < mischief> which installer?
08:20 < IcePic> I do not belive more than 1G ram being required for the installer
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08:20 < dkjds42> openbsd installer
08:21 < dkjds42> that is the first time a console distro crashes with 1GB btw
08:21 < IcePic> dkjds42: where did it crash?
08:21 < rewtkid> dkjds42: what part does it crash on?
08:22 < dkjds42> after unzipping the sets, I don't remember the exact phase
08:22 < dkjds42> after "making device nodes"
08:22 < IcePic> still, if you have such a limited system, you could still make the install on a real machine and then move the disk
08:23 < dkjds42> 1GB is not a limited system, I played WoW on one
08:23 < rewtkid> so the sets probably were installed fine if you made it to "making device nodes".
08:23 < dkjds42> that's why I said 'after'
08:23 < IcePic> dkjds42: You would be hard pressed to walk into a store that would sell you such a machine today
08:24 < rewtkid> so what leads you to believe that you dont have enough RAM?
08:24 < dkjds42> because when I boosted the RAM to 2GB it did install
08:24 < rewtkid> can you send any relevant errors, dmesg output, etc
08:24 < rewtkid> ok
08:24 < dkjds42> how can I send anything from a text-based application?
08:25 < IcePic> dmesg should be easy to get from the 2G working box
08:25 < rewtkid> if you have internet connection, can upload the text to some filebin using curl. but i think it is irrelevant if you actually were able to install.
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08:35 < mischief> well i managed a vm on 256M and 2G disk
08:35 < mischief> ran out of space relinking the kernel :-)
08:36 < IcePic> yeah, one might want to skip relinkings on small boxes, or it will just swap a lot
08:38 < mischief> at least with a uefi vm under qemu, 128M won't boot
08:38 < mischief> could probably swing it with some work
08:38 < mischief> i'm pretty sure my first openbsd machine was a 90s era compaq deskpro with 128M ram and a 6G disk
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08:42 < Feigr> if I am running OpenBSD as a desktop system, with xenodm, where do I set the XAUTHORITY environment variable if I want to a different location for the .Xauthority file?
08:43 < Feigr> I have tried setting it in the xsession file but no luck there
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08:49 < IcePic> Feigr: can't you just set it to some path and then "xauth merge /home/uid/.Xauthority" into the new auth file?
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10:08 < byteskeptical> w
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10:21 < Feigr> IcePic: I have tried setting the XAUTHORITY variable to a different path than ~/.Xauthority, but when I do that xenodm won't log me in, it just flashes and drops med back to the login screen
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10:24 < byteskeptical> Feigr: This option specifies the name of the authority file to use. By default, xauth will use the file specified by the XAUTHORITY environment variable or .Xauthority in the user's home directory.
10:24 < byteskeptical> man xauth
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10:24 < byteskeptical> I promise the man pages are that good
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10:43 < Feigr> byteskeptical: the man page doesn't tell me which file to put the declaration in for xenodm. I have tried putting this in my .xsession file: XAUTHORITY=/usr/local/share/xorg/.Xauthority; export XAUTHORITY
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10:43 < Feigr> and then moved the .Xauthority file there
10:43 < Feigr> but xenodm will not log me in when I do that
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10:45 < Feigr> .xsession-errors says: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
10:53 < anelli> anyone else still having webkit browsers crash randomly on some websites, especially protonmail?
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10:57 < IcePic> Feigr: I'm quite sure xenodm picks the .Xauthority file location by code when starting up your env
10:58 < IcePic> when you say "I have set the env to another place", it is probably done too late so that it already was written to .Xauthority at login-time
10:59 < IcePic> also, what is the end goal here, for which moving the auth file is a solution?
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11:05 < Feigr> IcePic: the end goal was really just to see if it could be done tbh, and to see if I can move every single file out of ~/ and still have everything work. Xauthority was the last file left
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11:10 < IcePic> Feigr: if you place it at /usr/local/x/y/z then you have to un-assume unix is a multiuser system, so while you could recompile all the relevant X11 libs to look elsewhere by default, you can not have a person on the console and some other uid log in with "ssh -X" because they would step on eachother
11:11 < IcePic> that is the main reason for having it in a persons home dir
11:11 < IcePic> using /usr/local/share/xorg/.Xauthority seems like a rather bad idea in that case
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11:11 < IcePic> apart from having to make this dir user-writeable
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11:23 < Feigr> IcePic: this is more experimentation and learning than anything, so the choice of directory is not great I know :)
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11:39 < MonsoonSecrecy> anyone has the same issue that keyboard and mouse do not work anymore in swaywm? see some error like seatd permission denied. i3wm works still fine.
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17:39 < emmatebibyte> Rust was removed from OpenBSD i386 ports recently. does anyone know if this change is permanent? if so, can anyone help me to install an older version of the package so i can at least use that for the time being?
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17:42 < emmatebibyte> i am actually downloading the rust package from 7.5 ports right now, so i shouldnt need assistance with that any more. i would still like to find out if this removal is permanent
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17:45 < emmatebibyte> 7.6* ports
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19:06 < phy1729> "mark i386 broken (fail to build due to ENOMEM)."
19:06 < avemestr> Yep, two commits from semarie on October 26.
19:06 < avemestr> "lang/rust: remove i386 patches and support, and adjust SUPDISTFILES"
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19:24 < emmatebibyte> damn
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19:29 < quinq> People still use rust?
19:30 < emmatebibyte> quinq: i feel that your question may be in bad faith
19:30 < thrig> sure, Weathering steel
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19:34 < quinq> emmatebibyte, I don't deal in faith, contrary to rust evangelists ;)
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19:44 < treefrob> what is a good size for swap on a system with 8GB RAM?
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19:45 < treefrob> quinq, nothing willful misunderstanding, eh?
19:46 < emmatebibyte> quinq: i guess im lucky i dont have much interest in evangelizing. nice bait though, better luck next time :)
19:47 < quinq> Hummm, it wasn't about you, was it?
19:47 < emmatebibyte> clearly
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19:58 < emmatebibyte> treefrob: the swapfile needs to be able to hold at least the total contents of RAM. i see doubling the size of RAM to calculate the swapfile size pretty often
20:00 < emmatebibyte> i see it recommended*
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20:16 < treefrob> emmatebibyte, thanks
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21:19 < Bradipo> When using a value of 100 for max-src-states in pf.conf what happens when a client that has maxed out the 100 makes a 101th attempt to connect?
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21:30 < sonya> Bradipo: man pf.conf : When one of these limits is reached, further packets that would create state are dropped until existing states time out.
21:32 < sonya> Bradipo: and may be "max-src-conn number" is a better option..
21:34 < Bradipo> Ahh, I had to also read past max-src-conn-rate to get that nugget.
21:39 < Bradipo> sonya: So, with max-src-conn, that will be full 3-way handshake connections, whereas max-src-states will allow fewer ESTABLISHED connections as the others will have timeouts to contend with (e.g. TIME_WAIT, etc.).
21:39 < Bradipo> In addition to max-src-states I'm also using: tcp.established 3600, tcp.finwait 15
21:40 < Bradipo> Just to keep things "moving along".
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21:40 < Bradipo> Thanks for pointing out the max-src-conn... I may look into that.
21:42  * zelest prefers a higher established and then use adaptive timeout
21:42 < Bradipo> Well, in this case, I really don't want the session to go longer than that, period.
21:43 < Bradipo> I wonder though how it would be different with "adaptive".
21:44 < Bradipo> But maybe you're saying that with "adaptive" an ESTABLISHED session would time out earlier if there were some way to detect that it's inactive?
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21:46 < zelest> Bradipo, With adaptive, the timeouts get lowered based on the number of states.. and I don't want established connections, e.g, legit connections, to get purged. :)
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21:47 < zelest> If it's spoofed or junk traffic, I don't mind purging those states faster.. but if the 3-way-handshake is complete, i know the traffic isn't spoofed.
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21:48 < Bradipo> Ok, for a "production" environment, that kind of makes sense.
21:49 < Bradipo> Also, legitimate connections shouldn't ever last more than 3600 in this lab, so that's why I thought to set it there.
21:52 < zelest> Ah :)
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22:15 < thrig> just make sure you aren't killing your own ssh connections
22:16 < Bradipo> Yeah, I have a different rule for those who are excluded. :-)
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23:50 < armin> yea holy shit, I'm having a hard time diving into pf, it slowly but surely all starts to make sense but still, difficult to grasp all the concepts for me, still, here I am, running an OpenBSD router/firewall on some thinclient I found on the trash.
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