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00:07 < farhan> I like OpenBSD but there are a few significant things that sadly keep me away. 
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00:08 < mischief> that's unfortunate
00:08 < farhan> I love the code a ton
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00:10 < farhan> (I don't mean that as a put down)
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00:11 < anelli> wats bad abt it
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00:13 < farhan> Not bad, just some missing things...hopefully the work on the FreeBSD side helps the collective community
00:16 < anelli> alr
00:17 < fro> what
00:18 < anelli> what
00:18 < fro> i don't know
00:20 < anelli> same
00:20 < fro> i want to know what "the work on the freebsd side" means
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00:30 < farhan> We BSDs share a lot with each other. I'm actually referring to driver and ACPI work, which I want to get/am getting more involved with.
00:31 < farhan> I really like how Open and Net organize their drivers, with drivers in /usr/src/sys/dev/{pci,usb} and the shared bits in /usr/src/sys/dev/ic.
00:32 < farhan> And there's a lot less redundancy in macros and libraries across the entire bade
00:32 < farhan> Base*
00:32 < emmanuelux> hello i have "66d86ac6d64fe8e2.a / ffs rw 1 1"   in my /etc/fstab , how to get 66d86ac6d64fe8e2 with command line, i'd like to get the id number of a second disk 
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00:38 < emmanuelux> found sysctl -a | grep -i disk
00:40 < anelli> farhan: you might like 9front too. they say they has the smallest drivers
00:40 < anelli> i should get into osdev soon lol
00:41 < farhan> Not familiar with 9front? Is that plan9-based?
00:41 < anelli> yeah it's a plan9 fork
00:41 < anelli> most active one
00:42 < farhan> Ohh, I'm not that versed in plan9, but I met someone writing a git client for it at a BSD conference years ago.
00:42 < anelli> nice
00:43 < mischief> ori is quite active still in the project, and on irc
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00:43 < mischief> he wrote the qcow driver for VMD, btw
00:43 < farhan> At my stage in life, sadly I need something like a chromebook :/
00:44 < mischief> how do you intend to get involved in driver and acpi work with a chromebook?
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00:50 < farhan> So, I'm currently on my phone, coding while my kids play around me :) but I ssh into a VM on a personal server.
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00:51 < TommyC> How the hell do you code on a phone. Screen's so small (touchpad takes up space too), I would only do that if I was desperate.
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00:56 < anelli> TommyC: attach keyboard. attach mouse, attach 4k moniter /j
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01:01 < fro> k so
01:01 < fro> that didn't really answer my question at all
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01:22 < farhan> I use an ssh client and vim
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01:40 < emmanuelux> can i use a swap file in place of a partition as in linux ?
01:43 < pardis> it's a shame swapon doesn't have a man page
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01:59 < ssm_> do swapfiles work with hibernation?
02:01 < mischief> jesus that took a while
02:03 < ssm_> mischief: I'm not the emmanuelux, I just thought of this when I read their question
02:03 < mischief> unrelated
02:03 < ssm_> okay then :>:>:>:>
02:03 < mischief> https://0x0.st/84Ex.bin running on http://status.offblast.org/. a lua module running under luajit wrapping kcgi (https://kristaps.bsd.lv/kcgi/)
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02:13 < TommyC> emmanuelux: yes
02:13 < TommyC> oh wait, nvm wrong channel
02:16 < ssm_> any obvious reasons why accessing and/or modifying a tcp nfs mount from a vps over wg(4) is magnitudes slower than doing the same thing over ssh?
02:17 < ssm_> files in the nfs mount*, not the mount itself
02:19 < ssm_> mountopts are rw,noatime,nodev,nosuid,-b,tcp,soft,intr
02:22 < mischief> what is the same thing over ssh? mounting nfs or something else?
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02:36 < ssm_> specifically, sshing in, and performing the same operations on the directory that is mounted to my local machine via nfs and wg
02:40 < mischief> well that's a lot different
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03:08 < emmanuelux> yes I managed to boot with a single partition but swap with a file in fstab seems to not working
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03:09 < emmanuelux> no it is ok swapctl return the file
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03:10 < emmanuelux> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html is good but miss some details
03:11 < emmanuelux> installboot -v -r /mnt/newfs sd1 : make 1 hour of test before use -r cause no boot
03:13 < pardis> the FAQ isn't supposed to contain all the detail you could want
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03:13 < pardis> you are supposed to read its terse examples and then go read the man pages for more detail
03:14 < emmanuelux> i have learned new things it is not bad
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03:22 < emmanuelux> I need to copy all commands usefull, all google stuff is outdated or false for what I needed first, change small filesystem to a bigger one with if possible a single partition
03:22 < emmanuelux> the faq and manual of openbsd is good as usual but not for beginners ou lazy people
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04:06 < emmanuelux> i have tested swap file with a python scrip created by copilot, all is ok
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04:24 < pardis> why use OpenBSD if you aren't actually going to learn the system?
04:25 < pardis> the documentation is perfectly adequate for beginners, just not lazy people, as you observed
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07:32 < ssm_> <why use OpenBSD if you aren't actually going to learn the system?> pufferfish
07:35 < anelli> valid
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07:36 < anelli> jammin tunes too
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11:11 < emmanuelux> hello, "savecore: /dev/sd0b: Device not configured" : is savecore important and how to configure in a single partition ? thx
11:20 < emmanuelux> i see "savecore $savecore_flags /var/crash" in /etc/rc
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11:21 < IcePic> its just a way to help keep a packed copy of the kernel memory in case of a crash, by writing it on top of the swap partition. If you have one, and a crash image is there, it will be moved to /var/crash, otherwise not
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11:29 < emmanuelux> ok is it similar of the dump file in windows when windows crashed (often before win2000)
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15:44 < mischief> hm. valgrind broken on 7.7?
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16:16 < Posterdati> hi
16:17 < Posterdati> nice 7.7 Xorg freezes on once working machine (7.6) :(
16:20 < Posterdati> it freezes on resume from dpms off
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16:26 < Posterdati> cannot switch between consoles, but can ssh and kill xfce4-session or xenodm and login again
16:26 < Posterdati> no messages in logs
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16:27 < byteskeptical> Posterdati: there were some updates to some underlying X libs xfce might need a rebuild linking to these new files
16:27 < Posterdati> mmh
16:28 < Posterdati> Failed to create /var/empty/.cache for shader cache (Permission denied)---disabling.
16:28 < Posterdati> in xenodm.log
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16:32 < Posterdati> byteskeptical: updates? Where?
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16:39 < ivdsangen> that shader cache message is in my xenodm.log too, may be nothing to worry about
16:39 < Posterdati> seems so
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16:43 < Posterdati> there's no errors in .xsession-errors too
16:43 < Posterdati> so this freeze remains a mistery
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16:49 < Posterdati> ok
16:49 < Posterdati> the error I wrote before can be avoided with
16:50 < Posterdati> mkdir /va/empty/.cache
16:50 < Posterdati> mkdir /var/empty/.cache
16:50 < Posterdati> chown -R _x11:_x11 /var/empty/.cache
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16:52 < Posterdati> it wrote mesa_shader_cache
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17:39 < thrig> making an empty directory not empty seems stupid (yes, some Linux vendor do this stupid)
17:41 < Posterdati> thrig: are you referring to /var/empty/.cache ???
17:42 < mischief> why would you do that
17:42 < Posterdati> ?
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17:51 < ivdsangen> sshd(8) mentions /var/empty, that it should not contain any files
17:51 < quinq> They're just pulling a leg
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17:52 < quinq> /var/empty is just the $HOME of the user running the process, it doesn't know it's supposed to be invalid
17:54 < Posterdati> anyway seems that xenodm writes into it
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17:56 < quinq> I doubt that's from xenodm directly
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18:03 < quinq> xenocara/lib/mesa/docs/envvars.rst says
18:04 < quinq> .. envvar:: MESA_SHADER_CACHE_DISABLE
18:04 < quinq> if set to ``true``, disables the on-disk shader cache.
18:04 < quinq> And .. envvar:: MESA_SHADER_CACHE_DIR
18:04 < quinq> If this variable is not set, then the cache will be stored in ``$XDG_CACHE_HOME/mesa_shader_cache`` (if that variable is set), or else within ``.cache/mesa_shader_cache`` within the user's home directory.
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18:06 < Posterdati> writing occurs when xenodm starts
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18:11 < Posterdati> quinq: where should be set? /etc/X11/xinit ???
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18:24 < quinq> Posterdati, not sure, maybe rather in the login.conf of xenodm
18:24 < quinq> but
18:24 < quinq> Feels a bit weird that you're the first one reporting this
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18:25 < Posterdati> anyway, no more freezes
18:25 < thrig> pretty sure it's come up on one of the mailing lists, and they got lol'd at for making the empty directory not-empty
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19:27 < jfsimon> Hi, i'm working on the specs for a PI, what's your feeling about this if some are interested to check it :
19:27 < jfsimon> https://jean-francois-simon.fr/uploads/pi/cPI_Berry_short_specs.pdf
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19:48 < fan> hello
19:48 < fan> tell me please
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19:48 < sibiria> jfsimon: it looks interesting. would be cool to see openbsd actually run on it
19:49 < fan> i install package xsane and gimp
19:50 < fan> then
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19:50 < fan> pkg_delete xsane gimp
19:50 < fan> then 
19:50 < fan> pkg_add xsane
19:51 < fan>  pkg_add xsane                                                             
19:51 < fan> Trace/BPT trap (core dumped)
19:52 < mischief> jfsimon: feels a little anemic for the cost. how do you plan to compete with eg milkv duo?
19:53 < sibiria> renesas SoCs are expensive!
19:53 < sibiria> even the older Arm stuff
19:53 < sibiria> it's a far cry from Rockchip's state-sponsored stuff
19:58 < mischief> but.. $80 expensive?
20:00 < sibiria> dunno what their risc-v costs. but for example typical mid-tier rockchip stuff costs $7-8 a piece before discounts. renesas arm stuff easily $35 a piece
20:00 < mischief> for the actual soc?
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20:01 < sibiria> for just the SoC
20:02 < mischief> that's silly
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20:36 < jfsimon> Thinking of it it can probably go below 50
20:37 < jfsimon> and i want a RTC provision and backup battery too,i think it would be great to have it recall reat time and fail back to shutoff sequence if main power's lost, like similar to a ups backup just barely enough to get properly off.
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20:38 < jfsimon> mischief, well, design it, i'm not bad with kicad, so integrate the renesas core and populate peripherals and all parts, crystal, ram flash ...
20:39 < jfsimon> the mcu itself it about $10, rather cheap. It should be quite competing with a Beagle black, supposed to be slightly better than it, but tests will show.
20:40 < jfsimon> Complete board of course for the price, including all the peripherals, flash ram and all. but below 50 might be doable.
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20:41 < mischief> is this an openbsd-first sort of thing or no
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20:44 < jfsimon> What do you mean
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20:46 < mischief> jfsimon: well on that paper you linked openbsd is the first piece of software in the list
20:46 < jfsimon> Cause i love it
20:46 < mischief> most of these sort of tiny dev boards just stop at linux
20:47  * mischief pets his milk-v megrez
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20:47 < jfsimon> right i'll try port openbsd for sure, i've never ported it before so i hope can make it allright
20:47 < jfsimon> the hardware will support these os
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20:48 < quinq> milk-v mergez
20:49 < jfsimon> the RV ports are rather sparse in there
20:49 < Posterdati> freezed again :(
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20:50 < oldlaptop> If you propose to design and sell your own SBC... good luck, I guess?
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20:50 < Posterdati> it become unusable :(
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20:50 < jfsimon> Man is 2500 pages, i don't know if all drivers are non existent (Eth at least).
20:51 < oldlaptop> Posterdati: I suppose you know there's nothing at all anyone can do to help you, based solely on that problem statement.
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20:51 < jfsimon> It supports 1G speed 2 ports, but i don't know if the HW will  be allright with that speed.
20:52 < Posterdati> oldlaptop: and the system won't help me too, since there's no errors in logs
20:52 < jfsimon> Good night all
20:57 < Posterdati> killing xfce4-session allow me to login again
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21:00 < phy1729> Posterdati: I have seen in the past screen savers running and blocking all input while not blanking the screen
21:01 < oldlaptop> there's at least one (memscroller) in the xscreensaver that invariably segfaults in the first second or two by default, as a consequence of its own inherent stupidity
21:01 < oldlaptop> *xscreensaver collection
21:01 < oldlaptop> (I seem to recall seeing the words "screensaver" and "segfault" close to each other in here relatively recently.)
21:02 < Posterdati> phy1729: it could be as well my case, since I disable xfce screen saver, but there's still a gnome screensaver active :)
21:04 < Posterdati> oldlaptop: yes, lot of them are not working, especially on amd old apu
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21:05 < vortexx> quinq: :) mergez
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21:10 < Posterdati> ok, all screensavers seems disabled, no freeze at all
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21:46 < quinq> (vortexx, lire merguez)
21:50 < mischief> i must have missed the joke
21:50 < oldlaptop> que?
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21:57 < jab> hello friends!
21:58 < quinq> Hi jab 
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21:59 < jab> quinq: what are you up to?
22:00 < quinq> up to getting into bed
22:00 < jab> zzz zzz zzz
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22:02 < vortexx> quinq: I know
22:06 < quinq> :)
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22:14 < jab> right now I am trying to install haunt
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22:14 < jab> the static site generator written in scheme.  I should really try to package it for OpenBSD.  I think it only depends on texinfo, and some guile libraries.
22:14 < thrig> haunt the wumpus
22:15 < jab> thrig:   "the wumpus"  ?  
22:15 < oldlaptop> https://man.openbsd.org/wump
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22:17 < jab> interesting.
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