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01:58 < e54> Hello, is there a solution to disable core dump in home directory? Maybe send to /tmp or disable all together. Seeing firefox.core in home bumbs me out :(
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02:00 < mischief> set your core limit to 0?
02:01 < e54> mischief: ulimit
02:03 < e54> was thinking there maybe a rcclt or sysctl option to disable? 
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02:04 < mischief> there is ulimit in ksh.
02:05 < e54> ulimit -sc 0
02:07 < e54> maybe just "ulimit -c 0"
02:07 < thrig> there's a sysctl for suid dumps
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02:10 < e54> thrig: "kern.nosuidcoredump=1" disabled is default
02:11 < mischief> well, i hope you don't run firefox as suid
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02:12 < e54> mischief: Only when I'm feeling adventurous
02:14 < mischief> as they say, 'you made the bed'
02:15 < e54> I was joking. Can't even amagine why someone would.
02:16 < mischief> to disable core dumps? :-)
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02:22 < e54> put "ulimit -c 0" in my .xinitrc = success
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05:17 < ssm_> coredumpsize=0 for default class in login.conf is what I do; with coredumpsize-max=infinity set in classes that I want coredumps for on demand with ulimit -c unlimited.
05:18 < ssm_> s/infinity/unlimited
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05:31 < anelli> can i make dumps go into a specific directory like /tmp/dumps? thx
05:32 < anelli> they get scattered everywhere
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05:33 < quinq> anelli, with -f option?
05:35 < anelli> quinq: for ulimit?
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05:41 < ssm_> anelli: find / -type f -name \*.core
05:41 < ssm_> :3
05:42 < anelli> ssm_: oh yeah i already do that
05:42 < anelli> i thought it'd be a feature like in some linux init system i forgot the name of
05:42 < anelli> was just wondering if i'm not looking hard enough in the docs
05:42 < anelli> it's alright if it's not there
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05:45 < IcePic> anelli: core dumps can hold keys and secrets, so dumping them to /tmp on multiuser systems might be a bad idea
05:49 < anelli> IcePic: fairs. maybe /var/dumps/$USER would be good. idk i'm no expert 
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05:51 < IcePic> I think setuid programs dump under /var/crash or something
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05:52 < quinq> Ahhh, coredumps
05:52 < quinq> Not dumps
05:52 < IcePic> also, as for "scattered everywhere", I'm fairly certain they try to dump in what they had for current dir at start, so making sure programs run from a place where dumps are fine would solve that
05:54 < anelli> oh interestng. thx for the info. it's a lil hard tho because any program can coredump while you're doing operations in some random directory
05:55 < anelli> this reminds me. file(1) dumps core a lot lol
05:56 < quinq> Sir dumpcorealot
05:56 < anelli> lol
05:56 < anelli> > Not dumps
05:56 < IcePic> sounds like something one could work on, making file(1) less crashy
05:56 < anelli> o idk the difference sorry
05:56 < anelli> IcePic: yeah
05:56 < IcePic> quinq: "I like big cores and I cannot gdb"
05:56 < anelli> i'll try to troubleshoot
05:56 < quinq> No prob, I just misunderstood, anelli (dump as in fs dump(8))
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05:57 < IcePic> anelli: if nothing else, posting backtraces might be enought for someone else to help fix it
05:57 < quinq> IcePic ^^
05:57 < anelli> oooh lol got ya
05:57 < anelli> IcePic: got ya
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05:58 < quinq> IcePic, make file less crashy, or add that dump-all-cores-in-dir kernel patch :D
05:58 < anelli> btw about big dumps and gdb. i'm in staff login class so that's enough ulmit for a dump right
05:59 < anelli> and for gdb i just grab the one from ports? the one coming with base seems to be old and not work very well
06:01 < quinq> yep
06:01 < IcePic> lldb might also work
06:01 < quinq> You could try lldb also
06:01 < anelli> lldb is very confusing ToT
06:01 < anelli> it just drops into assembly half the time lol
06:01 < quinq> Like gdb isn't? :D
06:02 < anelli> idk it never did for me
06:02 < anelli> sorry gtg quick
06:02 < IcePic> I thought it was like gdb too
06:02 < quinq> No I meant that gdb is far from being intuitive
06:02 < anelli> thx for help
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06:02 < quinq> Until you learn how it's supposed to work (more or less)
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06:26 < IcePic> setting up a bit of afl-fuzz on file, lets see if we can provoke it to crash
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08:04 < IcePic> fuzzed file(1) for an hours, not even a hang, no crashes
08:04 < IcePic> "an hour" 
08:04 < anelli> damn
08:04 < anelli> maybe my file(1) is weird
08:05 < anelli> thx  for looking into it tho. iirc it does crash itself but seems to coredump through other stuff running it if that makes sense
08:05 < anelli> i didn't trace what ran it tho sorry
08:05 < IcePic> do you have an input file that causes a crash?
08:06 < anelli> nah like i don't even remember running file today but i have a file.core
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08:06 < anelli> so it seems i'm running something else from $HOME that runs file and crashes it
08:06 < anelli> oh stupid muscle memory i just deleted the core......
08:07 < anelli> next time ig. hmmmm should i recompile file with debug symbols?
08:07 < anelli> so that when it dumps i can get better info
08:07 < IcePic> sure, but also try to figure out which input makes it sad
08:08 < IcePic> even without symbols, a "gdb --core file.core $(which file)" with a "bt full" might be of help
08:08 < anelli> sure thing
08:08 < anelli> will let ya know on next dump
08:08 < anelli> thx
08:09 < anelli> or i'd just put it on the mailing list. no pressure lol
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08:09 < IcePic> file (and tcpdump and some other) programs are often used on "suspicious" data, so getting them correct and stable is extra important
08:10 < anelli> true
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09:56 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20250506044643 some ssh-agent news
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12:17 < jxl> is anyone here literate in X compose sequence-foo?
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12:18 < jxl> I use two layouts, generally, a US ANSI and a US Russian phonetic-WinKeys 
12:19 < jxl> on Windows, the phonetic layout does this thing where inputting two letters that have a separate letter in the alphabet, it replaces that input with the composed letter
12:19 < jxl> for example, the Russian 'j' (й) and 'a' (а) has a letter for it 'ya' (я).
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12:20 < jxl> so on Windows, with that layout, you'd type 'й', it would get printed, and if you hit 'а' right after, it would replace it with a 'я'.
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12:21 < jxl> all I'm finding in X docs is a compose key, which would be something like AltGr usually, that you'd hold down, and hit a sequence of keys, to get the final letter.
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12:21 < jxl> I'm trying to get the behavior that's on Windows, without resorting to a dedicated Compose key for this.
12:21 < jxl> Can someone point me in the direction of some docs that does this, or have any suggestions?
12:22 < jxl> s/that does this/that describe how to do this/
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14:37 < antranigv> what's the best way to use 2FA with OpenSSH these days? on OpenBSD or otherwise.
14:38 < IcePic> antranigv: yubikey?
14:38 < phy1729> best? Use a security key
14:39 < IcePic> https://man.ifconfig.se/login_yubikey.8
14:39 < antranigv> practical? you know, an authenticator. I've heard people use the Google Authenticator PAM plugin?
14:39 < phy1729> I do it on the other end and generate an ed25519-sk
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14:39 < IcePic> or just stash half the ssh privkey in the yubikey and use sk-ssh-ed25519 keys
14:40 < antranigv> that also sounds nice. I have to read the ssh-keygen man page properly today. thanks y'all.
14:41 < phy1729> I'm not going to say don't read the man page, but it's just   ssh-keygen -t ed25519-sk
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15:17 < jxl> antranigv: gpg-agent
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15:37 < RobbieAB> antranigv: The "best" way is going to depend on your requirements for the second factor.
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15:45 < bountyht> antranigv: For the record, I am using a Nitrokey Storage 2
15:46 < sibiria> antranigv: if you're looking for TOTP-based 2FA with some mobile app, you will on openbsd have to use login-oath
15:46 < sibiria> it's perhaps not as tidy as PAM on linux, but at least it's not PAM :P
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16:00 < thrig> I looked at some google PAM code once. It wasn't exactly tidy.
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16:03 < RobbieAB> PAM config is a mess... The idea is ok, the execution in distros tends to be confusing at best.
16:03 < WhyNotHugo> PAM? tidy?
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16:10 < antranigv> WhyNotHugo LOL
16:10 < antranigv> I usually do UsePAM no, even on FreeBSD :D 
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16:56 < Bradipo> Does anyone ever use skey(1)?
16:57 < Bradipo> Can skey(1) also be used with httpd(8) as an HTTP AUTH mechanism?  That would be cool.
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17:01 < Bradipo> Maybe not so cool though because HTTP AUTH is per request, which means a lot of OTP going on.
17:01 < mischief> probaby, if you wrote a handler for it
17:01 < Bradipo> Yeah, but it would be a pain.
17:02 < Bradipo> Though, writing a handler might be an interesting thing to do.
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17:11 < Bradipo> What would be even better is if httpd(8) had a "handler api" where it just fork()/exec() a proc that handles the data and returns success/fail.
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17:13 < Lucas_> are you talking about cgi?
17:14 < mischief> there is the authenticate(3) api, but i'm not sure why you would do that in httpd sans cgi
17:16 < Bradipo> Lucas_: Well, I don't think I'm talking CGI.
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17:16 < Bradipo> I'm talking about the statement: [no] authenticate [realm] with htpasswd
17:16 < Bradipo> It would be cool if there were an "authenticate with exec /usr/local/bin/thingy"
17:17 < Bradipo> I have written custom things that integrate with /etc/login.conf's "approve" capability.
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17:19 < Bradipo> Or maybe: authenticate with socket /auth-sock
17:20 < Bradipo> Since in a chroot environment it might not be ideal to have the process in the chroot.
17:20 < mischief> what would you be authing in httpd that wasn't part of a cgi already
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17:21 < Bradipo> A custom skey integration.
17:21 < mischief> no, like what content
17:22 < Bradipo> Oh, well, in some cases it might just be a static site.
17:22 < Bradipo> Other cases a CGI.
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17:31 < vortexx> I'm surprised to read that skey hasn't had it's ciphers updated since 1998 (md5, RIPE160 & sha1)
17:31 < vortexx> not that I've ever had a use for it
17:31 < mischief> also
17:31 < mischief> TRADEMARKS AND PATENTS
17:31 < mischief>      S/Key is a Trademark of Bellcore.
17:31 < mischief> what a throwback :-)
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17:32 < sibiria> md5 and sha1 are ok for OTP with a short lifetime
17:33 < sibiria> it's a situation similar to protecting poor passwords with absurd key stretching, vs a good password policy coupled with just a single round of sha256 with a salt
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17:34 < sibiria> the vast majority of TOTP 2FA happens with sha1
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17:40 < Bradipo> It raises the question... what is the attack vector?
17:41 < Bradipo> The skey database must necessarily be unencrypted somewhere, right?  Whereas the password database has salted and hashed passwords.
17:42 < Bradipo> Because both parties must be able to generate the same OTP.
17:43 < sibiria> TOTP, as an example, is by itself not encryptable. but if you couple it with a password to create an actual 2FA scheme you can do stuff like symmetric encryption of the OTP passphrase with the provided plaintext password
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17:44 < Bradipo> You mean client-side encryption of the OTP passphrase?
17:44 < sibiria> server-side encryption of the OTP passphrase
17:45 < Bradipo> Hmm, interesting.
17:45 < sibiria> plaintext input from client decrypts OTP, but stored password is hashed so it can't be used to attack the OTP if the database leaks
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17:46 < Bradipo> I'm confused how a plaintext input from the client to the server makes it secure?
17:46 < sibiria> https?
17:47 < Bradipo> I see.
17:48 < Bradipo> But, if someone has access to the stored password database (which is hashed) then they likely also have access to the process reading the plaintext password, lol.
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17:48 < sibiria> if the server is owned, yes. but there are so many ways a database can be leaked
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17:49 < Bradipo> Yeah, backups.
17:49 < sibiria> but if you can't trust the https link then there's really no point to outdated habit of client-side hashing of passwords. any challenge issued by the server will be readable
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17:51 < Bradipo> Not necessarily.  I can imagine an authenticated site that is "public" so anyone is able to read it, but modifications can only be made by "authenticated" requests, not necessarily requiring HTTPS, right?
17:52 < Bradipo> Where the server and the client have some pre-shared secret (like a password).
17:56 < Bradipo> Of course the protocol would need to protect against replay.
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17:56 < sibiria> in terms of REST i could imagine it 15 years ago, too. these days the only obvious case is for example SIP trunk providers, where SIPS is on the whole uncommon
17:57 < sibiria> the salt (the challenge) can leak, and everything hinges on a solid password policy
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18:31 < Bradipo> sibiria: The Fossil sync protocol uses client-hashes: https://fossil-scm.org/home/file?udc=1&ln=51-92&ci=trunk&name=src%2Fhttp.c
18:32 < Bradipo> Actually, the entire method is: https://fossil-scm.org/home/file?udc=1&ln=51-127&ci=trunk&name=src%2Fhttp.c
18:34 < sibiria> APOP over unencrypted POP3 is also around, too. but i wouldn't recommend it over plain-text auth in TLS!
18:34 < Bradipo> Well, there's a difference between email and public code.
18:35 < Bradipo> But sure, layer the security.
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18:37 < Bradipo> But client hashes with nonce are hardly "plain text".
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18:39 < sibiria> they are not plain-text, no
18:40 < sibiria> and if the client hashes its password the server cannot protect its stored OTP
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18:41 < Bradipo> That's true.
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20:14 < anelli> IcePic: oi i got a rogue /tmp/file.core
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20:14 < anelli> lemme upload "bt full". it says         fdpass = Cannot access memory at address 0xffffffffffffffff
20:14 < anelli> tho
20:14 < anelli> should i run gdb as root?
20:14 < anelli> or just put the thing in a pastebin as is
20:15 < anelli> hopefully nothing embarrassing is in that coredump ToT
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20:26 < pardis> use egdb from packages instead of base gdb
20:26 < pardis> I don't know if it will help in this specific case, but it often works better
20:27 < anelli> o i'll try it thx
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20:27 < anelli> the sys gdb works for this case
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20:45 < Bradipo> I've noticed that I have a lot more "rogue" core files scattered all over the place with recent releases of OpenBSD.
20:45 < Bradipo> Things one wouldn't normally expect to dump core.
20:46 < sibiria> you too, huh. i had a weird "event" two days ago, with strange coredumps out of nowhere
20:46 < sibiria> two processes from different users crashed/dumped at the exact same time
20:47 < Bradipo> ksh.core is common.
20:47 < sibiria> sh (ksh) was mine
20:47 < sibiria> irssi was another
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20:48 < Bradipo> I know that ksh does have some bugs when using certain sets of UTF-8 characters but I haven't figured out a good reproduction.
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20:53 < anelli> Bradipo: lol same i'm reporting on it now xD
20:53 < anelli> Bradipo: should i run gdb with root or normal ?
20:53 < Bradipo> Not sure why you would need root.
20:53 < sibiria> i don't know how to dig into it on my end. irssi threw SIGTRAP in some function belonging to glib. sh/ksh is without debug symbols so without dusting off my x86 assembly skills i'm at a loss there
20:54 < anelli> Bradipo: me neither i'm a noob at gdb
20:54 < anelli> lol
20:54 < anelli> alr not using root
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21:39 < ssm_> I have read dpb(1) and bsd.port.mk(5) many times. is WRKOBJDIR_MFS and setting -M in dpb enough to build in mfs, or do I also need to set memory=thr in a hosts file?
21:41 < ssm_> I tested a build but it doesn't seem to be working...? setting USE_MFS manually seems incorrect, and testing that just causes my mfs partition to overflow
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22:30 < sibiria> i'm running vanilla. nothing activated
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23:07 < Bradipo> Does anyone know why XOR with a known value for i_key_pad and o_key_pad in HMAC construction is not necessarily a bad thing or how those values were chosen? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAC
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23:19 < phy1729> Might try asking #security
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23:37 < Bradipo> Heh, more like #crypto.  I tried #cypherpunks but nobody is there.
23:38 < Bradipo> I notice that /usr/src/usr.bin/ssh/hmac.c does the same.
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