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00:51 < itrsea> dlg: not I
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01:26 < mischief> no yet :S
01:26 < mischief> let me poke it after i fix this linux fit image bullshit for work
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01:29 < mischief> dlg: should i take the diff from your original email, or is there something updated?
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01:55 < phy1729> it landed about a week ago; might be in snapshots by now
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02:04 < mischief> well, i don't really want to upgrade to current on my router, but i suppose i can pull the diff out of the commit history then
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03:11 < mischief> phew, that was a dumb bug
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03:13 < dlg> it's in the tree now
03:13 < dlg> it needs af_frame in the kernel though, so you can't run it on a 7.7 kernel
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03:17 < mischief> ouch
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03:26 < mischief> hm, maybe i can just put -current in a vm and enable link0 on my router's veb to see all the stuff on the other side of it
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03:36 < dlg> sounds like effort
03:38 < mischief> it's not in snap yet ;-;
03:39 < dlg> af_frame should be
03:40 < mischief> i see, fair
03:41 < dlg> you just need to have src and compile and install lldpd and lldp
03:43 < mischief> right, i tried on my router running release, but no af_frame
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03:52 < mischief> hm, i see frames from my linux host but not through my veb on my router
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04:12 < mischief> dlg: link0 _should_ send lldp frames across veb, no?
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04:19 < mischief> oh, i guess it doesn't
04:20 < dlg> link0 handles vlan tags
04:20 < dlg> veb doesnt let you disable the multicast group filtering that'll stop lldp going over the switch
04:21 < mischief> yes, i had to set `configure lldp agent-type nearest-customer-bridge` in lldpd to change the group address
04:22 < mischief> it was nearest-bridge by default before
04:22 < mischief> now i can see it in lldp(8) :-)
04:24 < mischief> quite a rube goldberg machine but it does work: eero <-> gateway veb0+link0 <-> dumb switch <-> linux bridge with modified group_fwd_mask <-> snapshot vm with lldpd(8)
04:24 < dlg> looks plausible?
04:25 < mischief> http://0x0.st/8Jvm.txt
04:25 < mischief> beast is the linux bridge host, and ollama is a container
04:25 < dlg> the -v flag should show more info
04:25 < mischief> no idea why but systemd-networkd does weird things with lldp itself too
04:26 < mischief> http://0x0.st/8JvB.txt
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04:28 < mischief> did you plan to write TX at some point?
04:29 < dlg> yeah
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06:25 < fart_cat> have you guys ever used a headset with output/input combined in 1 audio jack on openbsd?
06:25 < fart_cat> when I try to record the microphone, it tries to record through the ear piece instead
06:28 < fart_cat> https://www.headphonecheck.com/test/sennheiser-cx-80s/
06:30 < fart_cat> do I just need a splitter to microphone and audio?
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06:46 < fart_cat> I don't see trrs (the audio headset hardware jack) in the manual so I guess the splitter it is
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06:54 < mischief> if your machine hardware doesn't have a trrs jack but only trs then you need a splitter
06:54 < mischief> not really an openbsd problem
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06:56 < mischief> lot of laptops have trrs, desktops not so much
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07:05 < fart_cat> I don't understand hw at all :(. Wasn't sure if trrs is audioctl or not. The desktop specification says it is not a trrs and is instead a regular audio jack. It has a picture of a headset on it though, so I thought it was trrs.
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10:58 < Emru> anyone using openbsd under virtualbox?
10:59 < IcePic> I did before, but not any longer.
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11:15 < anelli> hi friends. can openbsd be used to flash an os to a smartphone? i'd like to flash lineage os but it seems all guides are for linux only so i'm not sure. there's adb in ports tho. thx
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11:17 < sibiria> does openbsd's chromium port support webusb? if so then the answer is yes
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11:17 < sibiria> grapheneos, as an example, is easiest installed via webusb in browser
11:18 < anelli> oh alright i'll look into that. thx
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11:34 < vortexx> Emru: it used to work, what is your question?
11:34 < vortexx> (I haven't touched virtualbox since I discovered virt-manager 10+ years ago)
11:35 < vortexx> anelli: adb should work
11:37 < anelli> vortexx: alr i'll give it a try. thxx
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11:44 < vortexx> anelli: you're welcome
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12:00 < Emru> vortexx, same here with virt-manager
12:00 < Emru> I'm running openbsd under virtualbox on my class
12:00 < Emru> it's terrible experiance
12:01 < Emru> like, my students have to change IDE controller to SATA, otherwise kernel panics
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12:01 < Emru> quite often also network autoconf fails during installation
12:01 < Emru> kernel relinking
12:01 < Emru> fw_update
12:01 < Emru> it's 50% chance that something will go wrong
12:04 < carneous> avoiding virtio for some reason?
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12:07 < oldlaptop> Emru: My experience has been that virtualbox is not a good choice for running OpenBSD.
12:08 < oldlaptop> Depending on the host system, kvm (linux) or Hyper-V (windows) work far better, as should qemu as a pure emulator.
12:08 < oldlaptop> (or the various friendly-GUI frontends to it)
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12:09 < oldlaptop> I would second the suggestion of virt-manager/libvirt as a friendly-GUI frontend for kvm at the very least.
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12:12 < oldlaptop> (reparsing your one message I guess you don't need us to praise virt-manager)
12:13 < oldlaptop> on Hypver-V specifically see http://man.openbsd.org/hyperv.4 (and note CAVEATS)
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12:15 < oldlaptop> IME (it's been a while since I've fooled with it) performance under Hyper-V fails to set the world on fire, but it otherwise works just fine.
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12:16 < oldlaptop> (I seem to recall it booting pretty slowly even for openbsd)
12:26 < sibiria> the only kludge with openbsd on virtualbox is the choice of SATA controller
12:26 < sibiria> openbsd doesn't want to play ball with virtualbox' default choice
12:27 < sibiria> just switching that setting for the guest solves it
12:27 < sibiria> anecdotally from running openbsd in virtualbox for about 15 years now, it runs great 
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12:30 < sibiria> specifically it's the guest chipset setting. virtualbox defaults to PIIX3 which openbsd doesn't like. switching the guest to ICH9 solves it
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12:32 < sibiria> and it runs with good performance in all of the typical virtualbox hypervisor choices (hyper-v, kvm, minimal paravirt etc.)
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13:04 < jxl> Does anyone here write manuals in mandoc? I'm trying to figure out how to describe a type (an enum), along with it's variants.
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13:05 < jxl> From searching, it doesn't appear that that is a practice in base system manpages. The one I found doing that is from OpenSSL (UI_get_string_type(3)), where it's just a .Bd -literal block
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13:06 < anelli> hihi. is umask 037 or 077 better for preventing other users from reading my home? the user and group for all my files is the same but was wondering if giving r-x permissions to my group even matters. thx
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13:07 < jxl> anelli: depends. if you have things in your home directory that need to be accessible to other users (such as httpd, to serve your public_html equivalent), then yes. other than that, probably not.
13:08 < anelli> jxl: fair. thx
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13:08 < Lucas_> I have my home set to 0700, as I don't share things with any other user
13:08 < Lucas_> it works
13:08 < sibiria> the group perms won't matter unless you have more users in your group. i just chmod to 700
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13:09 < sibiria> exception is like jxl suggests, one or two users i provide a web-home for
13:09 < anelli> alrighty
13:11 < Lucas_> jxl: agentx also uses a .Bd -literal
13:13 < Lucas_> but you probably should use Dv and Vt
13:14 < phy1729> man mdoc is a good reference though I don't know if it covers that case in particular
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13:18 < anelli> btw are there any best practices for when to put stuff in .profile vs .shrc? i currently put aliases/sets/PS in .shrc and PATH/umask in .profile but it seems kinda arbitrary
13:19 < IcePic> .profile is run once per login shell, .*shrc is run for each shell you spawn thereafter
13:19 < anelli> is it only for setting up stuff that you change more often in .shrc?
13:20 < anelli> IcePic: i know this part. it seems only PATH needs to be in .profile
13:20 < IcePic> so .profile could set up PATH by adding to it, but .*shrc should probably not
13:20 < IcePic> so PATH, aliases and so on which you don't expect to change often is done once, other settings that may be more temporary goes to .*shrc
13:21 < jxl> Lucas_: the closest thing I've found to what I want is a .Vt enum ..., followed by a literal {, followed by a .Bl of .It's per variant
13:21 < anelli> IcePic: fair. ig i rarely change .shrc so not feeling it much xD thx tho
13:22 < jxl> oddly enough, none of the _type_s allowed by .Bl make it work, but if I give it an unknown type (so something gets parsed in that position), and provide -offset indent, it works
13:23 < phy1729> aliases aren't inherited by child shells, so shouldn't go in .profile
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13:24 < anelli> oh nice catch. that makes it worth it thx :)
13:24 < anelli> i think PS* too
13:25 < anelli> nah nvm
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13:30 < Emru> oldlaptop, I would also prefer libvirt, but I'm not in liberty to choose software on uni computers :)
13:31 < mischief> huh.. i dont have an rc file. i only use .profile o.O
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13:32 < sibiria> mischief: seems normal. there's after all only a .cshrc in the default etc-skel
13:33 < mischief> i learned early on there is some confusion in debian default bash setups with .profile and .bashrc etc, so now i just delete it all and have my .profile symlinked into my dotfiles git repo
13:33 < mischief> works fine under ksh too
13:39 < jxl> Lucas_: yeah, .Bl of .It Dv's worked the best. at least -Tpdf looks the way it should. 
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14:01 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20250508122430
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14:02 < oldlaptop> Emru: If you do have hyper-v (assuming "uni computers" are windows? (blecch)) that'd probably be best. (Maybe not likely on institutional droneboxes, especially if microsoft charges extra money (?) at that scale)
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14:06 < Emru> today I have optiplexes 7010 with windows
14:06 < Emru> maybe I'll try with that hyperv next time
14:07 < Emru> I have "Operating Systems" class and I've decided to show different system every week
14:07 < sibiria> it works fine. always has. just switch the guest's chipset from PIIX3 to ICH9
14:08 < mischief> how many weeks in the class? that's a lot of operating systems :P
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14:09 < Emru> 10
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14:10 < Emru> well, first 5 were just bash scripting
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14:16 < mischief> heh, maybe amoeba or plan 9 would be too much
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14:18 < IcePic> "first debian, then ubuntu, then mint, then .." ;)
14:18 < anelli> Emru: imo only show em windows, openbsd, and plan9
14:19 < anelli> maybe debian too
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14:35 < Emru> for now it was void linux, openbsd, debian
14:35 < Emru> I'm thinking about freebsd with ZFS and maybe 9front
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14:37 < Emru> damn virtualbox
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14:37 < Emru> installation hangs at [reboot]
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14:45 < sibiria> Emru: you have forgotten to provide acpi/io-apic for your vm
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14:48 < vortexx> I'm fairly certain the PIIX3 driver broke around 5.6, my 2001 vaio lost it's usb support with that upgrade (I reverted to 5.5 after testing like 15 releases >5.5)
14:49 < vortexx> but by 5.6 this was ancient equipment
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17:39 < fan> hello
17:39 < fan> tell me please 
17:41 < fan> which number has sistem function "exit"
17:41 < IcePic> looking
17:41 < IcePic> 1
17:41 < IcePic> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/kern/syscalls.master?rev=1.269&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
17:43 < IcePic> perhaps easier to read the generated file: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/kern/syscalls.c?rev=1.284&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
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17:45 < fan> Weird
17:46 < fan> IcePic: but "1" do not working
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17:50 < IcePic> why is that weird?
17:50 < fan> mov rax, 1
17:50 < fan> syscall
17:50 < IcePic> In case you missed it, obsd requires syscall locations to be pre-registered
17:50 < IcePic> easiest is to call via libc which does all for you
17:52 < thrig> linux needs stable syscall numbers on account of the severe split-brain between kernel and userland; other OS are different
17:53 < IcePic> thrig: linux doesn't have stable calls between arhces even
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18:02 < fan> IcePic: how do make syscall locations to be pre-registered?
18:03 < IcePic> https://man.openbsd.org/pinsyscalls.2
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18:06 < IcePic> fan: https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/dude-where-are-your-syscalls
18:07 < IcePic> and the link at the bottom of that page
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18:18 < sbr> *facepalm*
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19:03 < gnucode> We have a new pope! 
19:05 < systemdsucks> puffardo the first
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19:14 < phy1729> gnucode: Not really an OpenBSD thing
19:15 < passstab> Does anyone here know Oxbar? I've just installed in on BSPWM, and now windows are overlapping with it.
19:16 < passstab> I know it is meant for CWM, but I was tired of configuring Lemonbar, and I like that Oxbar was made for OpenBSD.
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19:22 < passstab> Is there a way I can make BSPWM register it as a window the same way it does for Lemonbar? Or do I just need to manually put a boarder at the top of the screen in BSPWM.
19:24 < passstab> Or does anyone have another statusbar recommendation? I almost went to Polybar, but it seemed to have weird dependancies?
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19:39 < gnucode> systemdsucks:  puffardo is hilarious!  Great title!
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19:42 < gnucode> passstab: I personally use i3.  It is the most intuitive window manager that I know.  Admittedly, I've been using sway for several years. 
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21:40 < tux0r> x
21:41 < tux0r> re:pope: not my pope!
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