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00:00 < grubles> is lldb not available on ppc64? 
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00:07 < grubles> maybe there's just no package available 
00:11 < anelli> ssm_: i finally managed to get an smtpd worknig :D was wondering about what you ended up using for spam. it seems that greylisting + whitelisting with smtpctl spf walk is the state of the art
00:12 < anelli> in openbsd base at least :b
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00:42 < ssm_> anelli: I can parse TXT/SPF records with spamd.conf's exec command to autogenerate whitelists for google/protonmail/corpo domains that don't work with greytrapping by design, but that's a bit complicated. spamd is likely unnecessary if you're just communicating with corpomail, though you can put spamd with blacklist only mode and only have the default nixspam trapped
00:43 < ssm_> you can set up fcrdns or rdns filters but some consider that gatekeeping, so I don't do it (I haven't gotten any influx of spam as a result)
00:46 < anelli> ssm_: that's fair. i'll checkout nixspam too. and yeah the fcr/rdns situation is sad. i only rented a vps bc of it lol. thx for the info!
00:47 < ssm_> nixspam is already set up in the default spamd.conf file
00:47 < Bradipo> I use spamd in blacklist mode, not grey for now.
00:47 < Bradipo> greylisting is great if you're getting hammered with bots.
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00:48 < ssm_> you just need to divert (divert-to) your egress port smtp or whatever port you recieve mail on into spamd's port, and then pass out on the <spamd-white> table
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00:50 < ssm_> pass in*
00:50 < ssm_> pass in on egress proto tcp to port smtp divert-to localhost port spamd \n  pass in log on egress proto tcp from <spamd-white> to port smtp
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00:50 < ssm_> and pass out on epress proto tcp to port smtp, if you're blocking out by default
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01:00 < ssm_> anelli: read spamd(8), it describes the same rules, and other important stuff
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01:16 < anelli> ssm_: sorry was away. thx for the extra stuff i'll read i too :)
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07:19 < welcome> HELO
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07:21 < welcome> how would I write an  assemebly library / program that shows a pixel or line ina window on X Can anyone direct me to a good link?
07:21 < welcome> How would I...
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07:23 < ssm_> welcome: sir this an openbsd
07:24 < ssm_> try the uhhhhhh bitmap(1) source code
07:25 < ssm_> or maybe even xlogo(1)
07:25 < IcePic> I would use libSDL2 to paint pixels
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07:27 < welcome> re bitmap thankyou ssm_ 
07:27 < IcePic> but I don't see why one would want to code X11 in asm, it's painful enought in C
07:29 < welcome> no th whole daemon
07:29 < welcome> just an app
07:32 < IcePic> corrected -> but I don't see why one would want to code against the X11 libraries in asm, it's painful enought in C
07:32 < anelli> ssm_: sadly seems nixspam is closing soon https://www.heise.de/en/news/Spam-filter-DNS-blacklist-Nixspam-ceases-operation-10248714.html
07:32 < anelli> should stop around july
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07:37 < ssm_> misc@ should be notified before next release
07:37 < anelli> yeah
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07:38 < ssm_> also jeez that webpage has a cancerous cookie banner
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07:39 < ssm_> links recommended
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08:24 < anelli> or links2/links+. has images
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08:28 < ssm_> what I meant, I don't even know why we have an out of date links port (dependencies maybe?)
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08:30 < ssm_> no_x11 flavor for links+ has bzip2, xz, lzma deps which links lacks
08:31 < anelli> seems some ppl miss the old one
08:31 < anelli> http://www.jikos.cz/~mikulas/links/
08:32 < anelli> maybe smaller code?
08:33 < jxl> hmm.. do links, elinks and links+ share the same configuration format?
08:33 < anelli> elinks is something else
08:33 < jxl> isn't it an old fork of links?
08:34 < jxl> i might be confusing it with something else. have to double check that
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08:34 < anelli> idk but it's very diff
08:35 < anelli> does say it's a fork tho
08:37 < ssm_> elinks is links+ but bitchx
08:37 < ssm_> and no graphical mode for some reason
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08:37 < ssm_> I can't find any real usability difference to links1 and links2
08:39 < jxl> dang, links+ with -g looks so... weird.
08:39 < jtt> does anyone know of a bluetooth adapter that'll work on openbsd to connect a headset (speaker + microphone)?
08:39 < jxl> it's like high res sixel and dynamic width fonts...
08:40 < mischief> there's no bluetooth support in openbsd
08:40 < jxl> jtt: any usb bluetooth dongle thing should work, afaik. i used one a long, long time ago, but that's long gone.
08:40 < zelest> I remember when links+/elinks needed root to run -g.. so gentoo shipped it as setuid root :D
08:40 < anelli> links -g is the goat
08:40 < Lucas_> mischief: that means that you can't connect the bluetooth things *directly* to OpenBSD
08:40 < zelest> elinks file:///etc/shadow worked just fine :D
08:40 < jxl> was some cheap thing i picked up at the local store.
08:40 < anelli> running a web browser without images is kind of a crime
08:40 < Lucas_> but you still can if you have an usb dongle that exposes itself correctly
08:41 < jtt> jxl: mic was working too?
08:41 < mischief> eh, good luck
08:41 < Lucas_> jtt: I believe that jcs.org had something
08:41 < anelli> w3m is good too but can't get used to it
08:41 < jxl> yeah, what Lucas_ says. there's no bluetooth stack in OpenBSD, and it's all reliant on USB. 
08:41 < Lucas_> mischief: it works quite alright. I do use a bluetooth mouse.
08:41 < mischief> you could program an esp32 to do it, but finding a pre-existing vendor thing seems like a crapshoot
08:41 < jxl> jtt: yeah, it did.
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08:41 < jtt> Lucas_: will check that out thanks
08:42 < Lucas_> jtt: https://jcs.org/2020/11/18/openbsd_btaudio
08:44 < jxl> it's like... you want a decent bt stack on openbsd, but then you look at the sheer scale of the specs and you get sad again
08:45 < anelli> join spider gang. cables everywhere
08:45 < anelli> who needs wireless :b
08:47 < jxl> Oh dude, I went wireless on my "gaming" pc a few years ago and it's an entirely different thing. Granted, all the devices have their own specialized rx/tx dongle over USB, but it was such a cardinal change, I'm never going back.
08:48 < jxl> No more getting headphones tangled on chair arm rests when spinning around 
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08:48 < jxl> the keyboard is the only BT thing, and I love that thing.
08:48 < anelli> hehe. i went wireless on my mouse once and battery expenses were too much
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08:49 < anelli> i see you like spinny
08:49 < anelli> i need an spinny chair too
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08:50 < jxl> I got the lenovo wireless mouse for my think setup (don't hate), and that's been great, actually. think it's at the office now.
08:51 < jxl> I'm too invested in Think things though. At this point, ThinkVantage would actually be handy.
08:52 < bountyht> jxl: My experience is the opposite, I am not giving cables up ever
08:53 < jxl> anelli: i bought two of those high quality gaming chairs for myself and the missus about 7 or so years ago, and besides the surface material coming off after years of intense use, they're just as good as ever
08:53 < jxl> bountyht: how so?
08:53 < bountyht> When running a videogame orgy, somebody always has trouble pairing his controller, or his battery runs out, or some other nonsense. Wire is ugly but it works without extra steps
08:56 < jxl> yeah, have to agree with that, definitely.
08:56 < anelli> jxl: niceee
08:56 < anelli> bountyht: true
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08:56 < anelli> talking about this. i still haven't found a wlan card for my openbsd gateway so i'm stuck with laptops connected via ethernet cables lol
08:56 < anelli> i'm too lazy to search
08:57 < anelli> my fault for only shopping to physical stores
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08:59 < IcePic> I usually just run an AP in bridge mode, connected to the obsd fw/router
09:01 < Lucas_> I use a mikrotik as dumb AP
09:01 < Lucas_> and the general advice for wireless AP in OpenBSD is "don't"
09:02 < Lucas_> one of the main reason being lack of support for 802.11ac
09:02 < sibiria> or even 802.11n
09:03 < sibiria> pretty much only intel stuff that supports 11n and newer
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09:08 < jxl> can anyone point me to any primers on driver development and infrastructure? and maybe some advise on a sensible setup for testing during development iterations? particularly managing the vms for testing
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09:09 < jxl> at this point i'm p much at the beginning of kernel code, after the first and second boot stages, but i get distracted very easily by all the neat things i find
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09:15 < anelli> > I usually just run an AP in bridge mode, connected to the obsd fw/router
09:15 < Lucas_> jxl: the autoconf framework
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09:16 < anelli> IcePic: thought abt that but i don't like the concept of having like yet another computer in me network
09:16 < anelli> > one of the main reason being lack of support for 802.11ac
09:16 < Lucas_> aka /sys/kern/subr_autoconf.c
09:16 < anelli> Lucas_: not evenyone has gigabit internet. i has 30mbps
09:16 < Lucas_> I don't have gigabit uplink
09:16 < Lucas_> I do dislike having to wait time between my LAN transfers
09:17 < Lucas_> idk why people think that you only need gigabit LAN if you have a gigabit uplink
09:17 < anelli> fairs. i'd just connect an ethernet cable in these cases
09:17 < jxl> Lucas_: awesome! thanks! i had looked at autoconf(4), but that page is criminally sparse on any details, and pretty old (date says May of 2007)
09:17 < jxl> maybe I can add to it, if i'm gonna go this route of exploration
09:17 < Lucas_> jxl: and this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5qhWw07qpU
09:19 < jxl> Oh dang! You found it! I remembered this talk, as I've seen it long ago, but for the life of me couldn't recall any details to find it. Much <3 Lucas_! you're exceptionally helpful!
09:20 < anelli> > idk why people think that you only need gigabit LAN if you have a gigabit uplink
09:20 < anelli> Lucas_: ig ppl don't do stuff on lan that much
09:20 < anelli> only backups come to mind as high bandwidth stuff
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09:21 < anelli> lots ppl do online/cloud backup
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09:21 < anelli> a plan9 fileserver seems like a lan bandwidth hogger too
09:22 < anelli> idk how they fully work but ig it does stuff over cable with a cpu server thingie so it don't matter? so yeah only leaves backups
09:23 < anelli> oh yeah nfs
09:23 < Lucas_> I currently don't have any cabled device at home (I'm not happy about it ftr).
09:23 < Lucas_> so transfers between laptop and desktop
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09:24 < Lucas_> and even without it, I regularly backup things from my smartphone to my laptop / desktop
09:24 < Lucas_> RAW images are heavy
09:28 < anelli> fair usecase
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10:38 < vortexx> I do all my backups over the lan, so linespeed matters
10:39  * vortexx uses an apu6 as a router for the 10Gbps uplink though :P
10:39 < vortexx> might get an odroid H3 or H4 in the next couple of months 
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10:41 < mornfall> when other people's uplinks are faster than my LAN
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10:42 < anelli> my old hardware is the bottleneck anyways :P
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10:42 < mornfall> what i wouldn't do for a 100/100Mb uplink :p
10:43 < anelli> samee
10:43 < mornfall> well, not that much actually, but you know
10:43 < mornfall> would be nice
10:43 < anelli> wow 10gbps, you can watch a movie in less than a second
10:43 < anelli> nvm a couple of seconds. forgot to divide by 8. if your eyes are fast enough
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10:44 < anelli> mornfall: my monthly quota would run out fist xD
10:44 < anelli> first*
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10:44 < mornfall> anelli: modern people watch movies at different bitrates than you or me :p
10:44 < anelli> lol real
10:45 < mornfall> also, who even has time for movies
10:46 < anelli> i mean every once in a while on weekend is nice. they're too long for my attention span tho
10:46 < mornfall> anyway, would an edgerouter work on 100Mb? it should, right? (it's a pro, not a lite)
10:47 < mornfall> in case someone runs fiber down the street one day
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10:55 < IcePic> mornfall: yes, I think its fine upto 2-300Mbit, depending on if you firewall a lot or just routing
10:55 < mornfall> it does NAT and a bit of IPsec, not many pf rules tho
10:55 < IcePic> haven't benched my ERL3s since 7.7 came out, but it would be interesting to see if it helped there
10:57 < IcePic> mornfall: and ERL3s do some 58Mbit/s ipsec if you ask nicely: https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20180418073437
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11:07 < vortexx> mornfall: lan is gigabit for now, planning to up speed to 2.5Gbps in the near future
11:15 < sibiria> then you have the honor of testing qnap's or netgear's affordable 2.5gbe switches and report back on your findings
11:17 < vortexx> yeah I haven't quite decided on the hw yet
11:18 < vortexx> I do like netgear
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11:19 < renaud_> I am not sure it's worth getting 2.5Gbps
11:20 < renaud_> Is that really that much cheaper than 10Gbps?
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11:21 < renaud_> 1Gbps -> 10Gbps is quite an increase, while 1Gbps -> 2.5Gbps isn't that obvious of a gain for the price
11:21 < sibiria> it's still a lot cheaper
11:21 < renaud_> but a lot slower too
11:22 < sibiria> yes. but who has such transfer needs at home?
11:22 < sibiria> pretty much all products with 10g on the primary ports are in the "managed switch" category, which constitutes a price hike just for the sake of being "enterprise"
11:22 < renaud_> exactly, that's why I stay at 1Gbps until 10Gbps is at a correct price
11:22 < renaud_> I have managed switches at 1Gbps atm
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11:24 < IcePic> renaud_: 2.5Gbps covers the speed you get from decent spindrives or slow ssds on a good day
11:24 < renaud_> yes, but if you already have 1Gbps, I am not sure it's worth paying for 2.5Gbps, then again for 10Gbps later on
11:24 < IcePic> if you move data over gig at "only" 100MB/s, the disk is not often the bottleneck, so if 2.5gbit costs about the same as 1ge, it might be an alternative
11:24 < rcf> renaud_: you might not pay for 10 later on. 
11:25 < sibiria> i think 2.5gbe is a great sweetspot
11:25 < rcf> You're content with 1G for now, when 10 is available; someone else might well be content with 2.5 much longer than that. 
11:25 < rcf> Also we need to recognize that 10G ethernet is just not going to be a consumer technology. 
11:25 < rcf> It's not coming down in price. 
11:27 < vortexx> renaud_: you mean for lan or uplink?
11:27 < renaud_> If you need to purchase a new switch because the old one is dead or so, it makes sense to get 2.5Gbps now. But if it's just for the sake of going from 1Gbps to 2.5Gbps, I am not sure it's worth it
11:27 < renaud_> lan
11:28 < sibiria> 2.5gbe maxes out at about 290 mb/sec for tcp. it's pretty decent considering that 2.5 gbe is ubiquitous at this point
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11:28 < renaud_> my ISP proposes 8Gbps in fiber (but you need to have the fiber to the home where you are, which is not the case now)
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11:28 < IcePic> kind of odd value
11:28 < IcePic> but cool anyhow
11:29 < IcePic> I can't get more than 1GE from my isp it seems
11:29 < IcePic> but that suffices for me without hesitation
11:29 < vortexx> I use managed switches at 1Gbps so I can do trunking & stuff
11:29  * rcf has 2, so 2.5G makes perfect sense.
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11:30 < vortexx> homelab uses LACP and it does help a bit
11:30 < vortexx> renaud_: hopefully you'll get it soon
11:31 < renaud_> vortexx: then did put the fiber in the pavement a few weeks ago. Damaging my car at the same time.
11:31 < vortexx> vdsl is alright but I really prefer ftth
11:31 < renaud_> but house is not yet connected to that new backbone
11:31 < vortexx> ugh car damage :/
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11:32 < vortexx> right, getting to the airport, bbl
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11:56 < anelli> any opensmtpd-filter-spfgreylist users? it seems like a good solution for the spf greylist problem. it says it's not ready for production but it's been 1.0.0. for more than 8months so wondering if anyone used it with success
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12:02 < CosmicDJ> anelli: if you're using rspamd already you don't need it, right? https://www.rspamd.com/doc/modules/spf.html
12:04 < anelli> CosmicDJ: ik about rspamd. i'm tryna do spam with regular spamd
12:04 < anelli> if it don't suffice i'll move to rspamd
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12:10 < sibiria> isn't graylisting just useless and annoying these days? it's not the early 2000s anymore. spammers can afford to resend a hundred times to get email to you
12:10 < sibiria> all it does is delay legitimate e-mail for no good reason at all
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12:11 < IcePic> sibiria: all legitimate email come from one of three senders, so you setup GL, it learns those three in a week, and you never see delays again
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12:11 < anelli> i mean it's a one time thing
12:11 < sibiria> except when you only mail once every few months, and you always get delayed 45-60 minutes
12:11 < anelli> and can be reduced
12:11 < IcePic> (in theory, your mileage may wary)
12:11 < sibiria> as is my case with for example the openbsd mailing lists
12:11 < CosmicDJ> yes I stopped using spamd because legit mailers try to resend mails from dozens of IP addresses... :( just look at the insane amout if IPs -> echo outlook.com | smtpctl spf walk
12:12 < sibiria> graylisting was a great protection scheme 25 years ago. not anymore
12:12 < anelli> CosmicDJ: yea that's what spfwalk and spfgreylist try to solve
12:12 < sibiria> these days they really do listen to 4xx responses and simply wait, and wait, and wait...
12:13 < sibiria> long gone are the days when spammers only had resources for fire-and-forget attempts
12:14 < anelli> email was rigged from the start :b
12:14 < anelli> ig i'll go with a blacklist
12:15 < CosmicDJ> anelli: I'm not quite sure how you want to use smtpd filters with spamd?!
12:16 < anelli> afaik spfgreylist replaces spamd greylisting
12:16 < CosmicDJ> rspamd does graylisting, too...
12:17 < anelli> IcePic: wats a gl btw
12:17 < anelli> CosmicDJ: told ya i know
12:17 < IcePic> greylist
12:17 < anelli> ooo yea thx
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12:18 < IcePic> I wonder when greylisting was best. In the very early days, "real" sites had non-conforming mail servers and this would make mails not get forward, and I have no idea which was faster between spammers learning to defeat greylisting or sucky-mailserver-fixing-their-4xx-handling
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12:22 < CosmicDJ> I'd still run spamd on non-MX hosts, just for giggles...
12:26 < vortexx> re
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12:49 < renaud_> vortexx: yes, they dug a hole in front of my parking and put some stones and a plate over it, but my car fell in the hole because the plate did bend. It seems I was quite lucky and that the car was on its plastic jack support, so that's the only part that seems to have been damaged.
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12:51 < renaud_> luckily, I had just installed a new camera and did not configure the zone detection yet, so everything was recorded.
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13:05 < vortexx> renaud_: that at least, coul vortexx: yes, they dug a hole in front of my parking and put some stones and a plate over it, but my car fell in the hole because the plate did bend. It seems I was quite  │ b100w11
13:05 < vortexx> rg
13:06 < vortexx> please disregard, keyboard error + accidental copypaste
13:06 < vortexx> could have been a lot worse renaud_ 
13:07 < vortexx> at least they've laid the local line, now to get the home connected
13:07 < vortexx> they had plenty of trouble doing my building
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13:40 < rIMpossible> For programming the Espressif ESP32-C6-DevKitC-1 I have installed the avrdude and arduino package. There are xtensa packages which show ESP32/ESP32-s2/ESP32-s3 packages. Do I need one of them for my dev board ?
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13:43 < rIMpossible> Seems only for cross compiling. makesparduino and arduino-esp32 should be the ones I need
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13:55 < mischief> rIMpossible: that one's risc-v
13:55 < mischief> you need the toolchain from espressif probably, but i think arduino gui only serves binary toolchains. doubt it has openbsd ones
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13:58 < rIMpossible> mischief: I am fine now, thank you
13:58 < mischief> yea? how did you get it to work
13:59 < mischief> i have about 10 different esp32 here but i only program them in linux
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14:07 < jhuhn> Hi, is it a good idea to make rad listening on a carp device? I just found https://www.mail-archive.com/tech@openbsd.org/msg53321.html but I'm not sure if I really want to do that.
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14:41 < IcePic> jhuhn: I dont think so, usually dhcpd and I guess rad would be listening on the physical device
14:43 < IcePic> as the thread says, the passive carps will not be able to send, since they are not "up" until they become master of the carp group
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16:50 < rIMpossible> mischief: Ok, I got teached better, 2.0.4 of the arduino-esp32 is to old to cover the C6 board :(
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17:00 < mischief> rIMpossible: aha :-)
17:00 < plasma> hi
17:01 < mischief> rIMpossible: i just ordered a ESP32-C5 a few days ago, which has 5ghz wifi. should be exciting
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17:15 < rIMpossible> mischief: and 240 MHz. Techdata look good, but has no 802.15.4 (C6). C5 seems to be a good performer.
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17:15 < mischief> well, i think the 'standard' setup for espressif is to pair two modules with a uart or such for inter-processor communication
17:16 < mischief> this is what they did for their thread border router dev kit, pairing ESP32-H and ESP32-S3 or such like
17:17 < mischief> i do wish the tooling was better for openbsd, like platformio, but alas.
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17:27 < rIMpossible> mischief: I ruined one of my systems with the naive override of "--break-system-packages"
17:27 < rIMpossible> for platformio
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17:35 < rIMpossible> mischief: have you installed platformio in a pve ?
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17:38 < jxl> re: the chat about tui browsers we had earlier - am i missing something, or does elinks not have an action to copy the current page url to clipboard?
17:38 < jxl> i'm not finding anything relevant in elinkskeys(5)
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17:44 < mischief> rIMpossible: pve?
17:45 < mischief> virtualenv?
17:45 < rIMpossible> mischief: yes
17:45 < mischief> right, you normally want to use something like pipx or uv for this
17:45 < rIMpossible> its running
17:45 < mischief> not straight pip
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17:46 < rIMpossible> mischief: I created a python virtual env and installed with pip, started pio and it opened firefox with the platformio
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17:51 < nedko> jxl: if you run elinks in tmux, tmux can do the copy-paste function. HTH
17:53 < mischief> rIMpossible: uh, dunno about firefox. i normally just use pio run to build something.
17:53 < mischief> the problem is that toolchains/other tooling in platformio is in binary form AFAIK, and it probably only supports linux/macos/maybe windows.
17:53 < mischief> so.. probably SOL on openbsd
17:54 < mischief> maybe esp-idf would work? though no arduino conveniences there
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17:56 < rIMpossible> mischief: I have installed IDF 5.4.1 (Arduino Rel 3.2.0) 
17:56 < rIMpossible> I will give it a try
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18:02 < jxl> nedko: yeah, i am. i was just expecting... you know, that the thing would let you yank the link to $clipboard and done. I'm prepping the source for that patch now.
18:04 < nedko> :)
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18:52 < rIMpossible> mischief: https://pastebin.com/sSf0EeR8
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18:55 < mischief> i dont use this 'home' feature, but this is what i expected to happen: `UnknownPackageError: Could not find the package with 'platformio/toolchain-riscv32-esp @ 14.2.0+20241119' requirements for your system 'openbsd_amd64'`. :-/
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18:56 < rIMpossible> yes
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19:00 < mornfall> can tcpbench run in reverse? i can't see the option
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19:01 < quinq> mornfall, have you tried hcnebpct
19:01  * mornfall squints
19:02 < mornfall> i can only run over ipsec on my 'fast' direction, it seems
19:03 < mornfall> turns out the thing i have is ER4 (according to the text on the box anyway… hw.product says ubnt_e300)
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19:06 < mornfall> wait something is wrong
19:06 < mischief> i tend to use iperf3
19:07 < mornfall> or maybe not, the speed variation is pretty big… in the direction i can do both, peak ipsec is about the same as peak ip, which is still less than 6Mb
19:08 < mornfall> the ipsec-only direction gives 17Mb peak… what even is this network connection that i have
19:09 < mornfall> ugh i need to update, cdn.openbsd.org is pretty aggressive about removing old releases
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19:12 < mornfall> well variation is much larger than the difference between ip in ipsec, with iperf3 -R
19:13 < mornfall> ip and ipsec*
19:15 < mornfall> in other words, my connection is garbage
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19:22 < rIMpossible> mischief: one can install openssl and force a recompile for urllib3 against openssl (from ports)
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19:28 < mischief> i don't really think that is a big problem :-)
19:30 < rIMpossible> mischief: No, luckily there are still options to try ;-)
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21:01 < megaTherion> On pkg_add -vui
21:01 < megaTherion> https://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/packages-stable/amd64/: ftp: connect: Permission denied
21:01 < megaTherion> https://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/packages/amd64/: ftp: connect: Permission denied
21:01 < megaTherion> https://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/packages/amd64/: empty
21:01 < megaTherion> how to fix?
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21:02 < systemdsucks> switch mirror
21:02 < sibiria> change to ftp.eu.openbsd.org
21:03 < quinq> megaTherion, worksforme™
21:03 < megaTherion> works also on another machine :|
21:03 < megaTherion> this is on a box I just migrated via sysupgrade to 7.7 
21:04 < sibiria> forgot to su to root first? :p
21:04 < megaTherion> nope :)
21:04 < sibiria> though that is a network error, actually, now that i look closer
21:04 < sibiria> just wait it out
21:04 < megaTherion> ok :)
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