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00:07 < mischief> is something wrong with my terminal? compare the bullet points and quotes on http://man.openbsd.org/getopt_long.3 vs https://0x0.st/8y8a.png (left is vim's :Man, right is plain man(1) in tmux in Xterm)
00:10 < mischief> hmmm pasting • into my tmux under openbsd prints as _, but not linux
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00:17 < wolfdog> mischief: are your LANG/LC_CTYPE variables correctly set?
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00:20 < mischief> fugu$ echo $LANG; echo $LC_CTYPE
00:20 < mischief> en_US.UTF-8
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00:48 < oldlaptop_> re gtrue: the implementation of gfalse is... kind of impressive. https://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=blob;f=src/false.c;h=bc9c703a56da58393674a02d1a54616fc5e609ef;hb=HEAD
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01:16 < mischief> succint :-)
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01:16 < pardis> almost as succinct as when /bin/true was an empty executable file in early unix
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01:17 < oldlaptop> (it's cheating a little, there's some #ifdef crud in true.c to make the --help message come out right)
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05:02 < ssm_> pardis: you're saying true is a lot larger now? big if true
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14:18 < IcePic> oldlaptop: that is why they should rewrite 'false' in Rust!
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14:37 < thrig> so it can't compile on i386?
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15:36 < IcePic> thrig: oh dang, didn't think of that.
15:36 < IcePic> thrig: even my octeons would not get a memory-safe false then
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15:45 < thrig> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=174689561124481&w=2
15:45 < thrig> ("dependencies! ") x 42
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15:46 < sibiria> endeavour throwed error ERUST
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17:43 < gustik> undeadly has ocsp TLS problems?
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17:51 < ivdsangen> i get some error in firefox on openbsd, not with some other browser/os combinations
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17:59 < gustik> Microsoft Edge on Linux here gives an error
17:59 < gustik> Firefox does the same
18:00 < thrig> on the other hand, i386 is busy falling off the support wagon, lacks various security improvements, and is register starved
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18:14 < gustik> well, no one cares about x86_32 any more. the only thing that I have around here is 32bit ARM, which is cool, like ARMv6 and ARMv7
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18:27 < ashley_> greetings. I am trying the new openbsd 7.7 on a newer thinkpad with an intel AX210 wireless card (which wasn't supported on 7.6 due to being an MA device, whatever that is). on the LAN I am getting some very acceptable performance (around 2-3MiB/s, more than enough to stream HD video)
18:28 < ashley_> however, trying to ping an internet server I get abysmal performance
18:28 < ashley_> this appares to be due to some insane packet loss
18:28 < ashley_> however, since the LAN works just fine, this seems to suggest that the problem isn't the wireless hardware, but something to do with a higher layer in the network stack
18:29 < ashley_> yet very mysteriously I don't seem to experience this problem with my ethernet em0
18:29 < ashley_> on iwx0 ping 1.1.1.1 gets me a packet loss upwards of 75%
18:30 < ashley_> but ping 192.168.100.1 doesn't miss a single packet
18:30 < ashley_> this leads TCP connections to take forever to establish and sometimes fail altogether, to the point of unusability
18:31 < ashley_> and when they do establish the TCP stack probably assumes that the network is super congested (due to the brutal packet loss) and starts throttling, leading to very low bandwidth
18:31 < ashley_> how would I go about troubleshooting such an issue?
18:32 < ashley_> s/would/should/ I suppose
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18:45 < thrig> tcpdump
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18:49 < ashley_> well it timed me out
18:53 < mischief> broken block ack?
18:54 < mischief> would probably need to get a capture of the frames over the air with a different monitoring device to see...
18:54 < mischief> op2: tmux show-environment|grep -E '(LANG|LC)' is empty so maybe that's it..
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19:05 < ashley_> mischief: hmm, I don't think I have an easy way to do that
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19:07 < mischief> 3MiB/s seems pretty bad to me
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19:08 < mischief> my (linux) work laptop which as a qualcomm chipset sometimes gets into a really awful mode after suspend/hibernate where i get like 100Kb/s. reassociating the AP seems to fix it, but IIRC my coworker told me it was broken block ack, probably in the firmware
19:12 < ashley_> mischief: I do get worse speeds than with the linux driver
19:12 < ashley_> but multiple MiB/s is more than enough for my purposes
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19:13 < ashley_> 20kbps with 80% packet loss however is not
19:14 < ashley_> mischief: and yeah wireless hardware does all sorts of mysterious things like that, reassociating often fixes it
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19:20 < mischief> weird, i made a new ssh connection and then a new tmux session and the rendering of the middle dot is fine
19:20 < mischief> didnt change anything
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19:30 < systemdsucks> mischief: tmux -u ?
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19:35 < mischief> i know that exists, but i don't seem to need it. it's only my old session that appears to have the problem, not new ones
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20:42 < mischief> odd, got MOZILLA_PKIX_ERROR_OCSP_RESPONSE_FOR_CERT_MISSING error from https://undeadly.org
20:43 < zelest> seen multiple people get that.. on different sites and different OSes
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20:46 < sibiria> this is why i disable ocsp. because i don't need mozilla to know the domains i surf to
20:47 < sibiria> maybe someone is throwing replay attacks at mozilla's ocsp thingy
20:52 < quinq> webkitgtk says Some error occurred validating the certificate.
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20:58 < mischief> sibiria: ocsp is not the same as ocsp _stapling_ though
21:00 < sibiria> no but it requires support from the host
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21:01 < sibiria> it firefox had an option to *not* fall back to third-party ocsp that would be nice
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22:57 < anelli> > this is why i disable ocsp. because i don't need mozilla to know the domains i surf to
22:57 < anelli> sibiria: personally i use a tor browser with profile that has tor turned off. works like a hardened firefox
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22:58 < anelli> after the new privacy policy it seems they'll get worse and might collect more data and stuff
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23:01 < anelli> sadly seems there're some connections still but to check for updates for the tor browser https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/tbb
23:04 < anelli> it seems to net be in the about:networking tab on latest version tho? (14.5.1) so that's cool ig
23:11 < anelli> nvm it's there. only when connecting via tor tho. weird stuff
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