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01:18 < ndut7> hi all
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01:29 < mischief> what are the _p variants of libaries in /usr/lib/? PIC? profling?
01:34 < mischief> ah yes, it's profiled variants
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02:01 < ssm_> is this an error? from sh(1): "if the value of IFS is empty, no field splitting is performed" this doesn't seem correct; splitting is still performed across newlines.
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02:02 < ssm_> oh wait no I'm an idiot
02:02 < ssm_> it's correct
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06:01 < rIMpossible> G'morning. Does the TPM Tmux Plugin Manager on OpenBSD a) work b) works with efford c) does not work ?
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06:02 < rIMpossible> s/efford/effort
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07:11 < andrath> it should just work, I use TPM in my OpenBSD config and it works fine
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07:57 < Posterdati> hi
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08:02 < Posterdati> please help, I'd like to start a porting for stm32h7 cpu (Cortex A7), may I use the /usr/src branch on a amd64 machine? Thanks!
08:14 < Emru> stm32h7 has Cortex M7, https://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers-microprocessors/stm32h7-series.html
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08:24 < Foxy_> Posterdati: port to a new architecture is not an easy task, maybe start by trying simpler
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08:30 < Posterdati> Foxy_: the question is, "may I use the /usr/src for an amd64 arch to develop a different arch?"
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08:40 < IcePic> porting to a small 32bit - limited ram arch seems like a waste of time
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08:48 < Posterdati> IcePic: there's a linux distro for it
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09:05 < IcePic> Posterdati: so run that then
09:05 < RobbieAB> That seems a VERY small system... 
09:06 < IcePic> not that I am in any way opposed to people learning things, but setting yourself up to fail deliberately is not going to be very helpful
09:06 < RobbieAB> I doubt that system is ever going to be self-hosting, glancing at the specs.
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09:07 < RobbieAB> I mean, 1MB of RAM should be loads... :s
09:08 < IcePic> RobbieAB: you are underselling it, "It has a high memory scalability and flexibility with 564 Kbytes up to 1.4 Mbytes of SRAM embedded"
09:08 < IcePic> almost 40% off.
09:09 < IcePic> But back to porting to new arches, if one really wanted to dig in to arm-obsd-porting, you could just checkout the src tree, remove armv7 and start porting to rpi2 or something 
09:09 < RobbieAB> I would defo start with an rPi or equivalent.
09:10 < RobbieAB> Unless I actually had experience with bringing up an embedded system, which I don't.
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10:02 < rIMpossible> andrath: do you work with dynamic addons? if yes, does it work?
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10:06 < andrath> rIMpossible: I don't use a lot of plugins, I can upload my tmux.conf somewhere if you want to take a gander at it.
10:07 < andrath> rIMpossible: https://gist.github.com/ekollof/35803a8e5a3e32883902d031d1ca1bc7 
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10:29 < rIMpossible> andrath: thank you a lot. Good education example for me
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10:31 < andrath> no problem
10:35 < Emru> is it even possible to port to Cortex-M7? Does it even have MMU?
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12:07 < luser9> i'm trying to change from bioctl passphrase to a usb key disk, without messing up anything
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12:08 < sibiria> i wonder if that's possible at all
12:08 < IcePic> accidentally practicing backup/restore procedures
12:08 < sibiria> the key disk contains an actual key. not a passphrase that goes through stretching to become a key
12:09 < sibiria> luser9: did you try target both devices with your pass change?
12:09 < luser9> i assume the passphrase unlocks a key on the disk, maybe i can unlock that key and copy to usb
12:09 < sibiria> there's no passphrase when using a key disk
12:09 < luser9> right
12:09 < sibiria> it's meant to boot without interaction
12:09 < luser9> hence the reason for moving to usb key disk
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12:10 < luser9> i assume the passphrase unlocks a key on the (actual) disk, maybe i can unlock that key and copy to usb
12:10 < sibiria> yeah i dunno if you can. i might have misunderstood the difference on fundamental level, but the parts i've dug into tells me that the master key is really only on the key disk only
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12:12 < luser9> ok i might just going the route of backup/restore sequence
12:13 < sibiria> can i ask how you tried to convert from passphrase to keydisk?
12:13 < sibiria> i'm a bit curious because i've had the same scenario in my head a few times before, before deciding on migrating to key disk
12:14 < luser9> i didnt try anything yet, except read a bunch
12:15 < sibiria> if your data is backed-up and safe, i suppose no harm in experimenting a bit
12:17 < sibiria> the documentation is a bit unclear at times. for example the case of whether some of these functions want you to specify the "hard" device or the unencrypted "soft" pseudo device that bioctl unlocks
12:18 < luser9> in LUKS i think the pass unlocks a small master key that is not exposed, that is the real key that the disk is encrypted with (like proxy). but not sure. i think bioctl key disk is the real thing so it cant be changed
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12:20 < luser9> i think it should be possible. "The master key, which the data on disk is encrypted with, is masked with your
12:20 < luser9> password. The master key never changes. But if you change your password, the
12:20 < luser9> mask changes. The master key is not recoverable with the old password."  https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144804540015952&w=2
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12:22 < luser9> (if that was multiple messages, woops)
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12:24 < sibiria> that's how it works with a passphrase on openbsd as well. what's less clear is the case of a key disk - whether the disk has the real raw key, or also a mask
12:25 < sibiria> the key disk contains an actual 256 bit (or 512 i forgot) value
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12:37 < IcePic> I would guess it still is some kind of key-making-key
12:37 < IcePic> but without checking that is, of course
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12:56 < luser9> Would be cool if i can just dd the 32 byte password hash onto the usb disk
12:58 < mischief> added spamhaus DROP list to pf, still not enough x.x
12:58 < sibiria> luser9: any success when specifying both passphrase change and keydisk options for bioctl?
12:59 < sibiria> keep in mind what i mentioned earlier, bioctl isn't entirely clear on when it wants the source device or the derivated pseudodevice as last argument
13:00 < sibiria> derived*
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13:01 < sibiria> presuming you have hard device sd0, unlocked pseudodevice sd1, and a USB memory on sd2, i'd try something like...   bioctl -k sd2 -P sd1
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13:06 < luser9> sibiria: not quite ready to try things, need to finish backing up stuff and unplug big RAID1 before getting funky
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16:56 < anthk_> hello, is there any way to raise the 200 members per group limit?
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17:28 < gnucode> anthk_: I'm just wondering how you managed to reach that limit...
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17:31 < thrig> a pubnix could end up with a lot of accounts
17:33 < vortexx> 200 is an odd number for a limit
17:35 < Bradipo> Maybe that's octal(200) which in decimal is 128.
17:36 < mischief> doesn't even agree with what getconf says for NGROUPS_MAX
17:37 < mischief> (also the read-only sysctl kern.ngroups)
17:38 < luser9> is the limit is per-line in /etc/group file? or actual limit
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17:39 < thrig> per-line can be worked around by having multiple group entries
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17:39 < thrig> (or maybe, check your group parser for details)
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17:41 < Bradipo> Well, if we assume 200 is a base 3 number, that's 18 in decimal, that's close to 16. :-)
17:41 < Bradipo> But not quite, so it's still confused.
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17:43 < mischief> looks like somebody had a bad time trying to change it nearly 10 years ago https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=146902816125381&w=2
17:43 < mischief> and not the technical kind of bad time
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18:59 < sibiria> mischief: that looks more like a case of a user being a member of >16 groups. i interpreted anthk_ as asking about a single group holding >200 users
18:59 < mischief> woops, you are right
18:59  * mischief needs sleep
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19:01 < sibiria> the latter seems like a very low limit for, well, a lot of typical cases
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19:22 < oldlaptop> >200 human users on one machine is (perhaps alas?) not a very typical use case in the 21st century
19:23 < oldlaptop> 200 nonhuman members of daemon or something still seems a little weird
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19:33 < sibiria> shared webhost offering sftp access, easily >200 users. shared db for WP (or similar host) using UNIX auth over ssh, easily >200
19:35 < sibiria> it's not a big number as soon as the context is "production environment"
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19:41 < RobbieAB> And that is ignoring "corporate directory" type set-ups
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19:46 < mischief> at work i'm a member of 129 groups in ldap :S
19:46 < sibiria> yp/ldap returning a 3kb long list of employees would indeed fit in the same realm
19:46 < mischief> (and yes, those show up in the id command)
19:47 < sibiria> as they should!
19:48 < sibiria> and getent(1) etc.
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20:13 < thrig> having to restart daemons on RHEL because some fancy daemon dropped the ball on LDAP group listings was fun
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