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00:02 < passstab> tvtoon: I'm guessing I shouldn't try to correct that?
00:03 < farhan> dlg: Why is it doing it multiple times in a loop? I'm unclear on that part.
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00:06 < rcf> passstab: does fdisk identify it correctly, at least? 
00:07 < passstab> rcf: yes
00:07 < mischief> farhan: there could (in theory) be multiple rx transfers in flight, but it seems in this case there's only 1 rx buffer.. haha.
00:11 < tvtoon> if you got some Lenovo, Dell, Acer, HP or whatever with Windows, better change everything as soon as you can, however I think changing the partition type will be harmless
00:13 < passstab> tvtoon: This one is a p14s gen 5, the other is a t480.
00:13 < passstab> The disk on here was transfered from a t14 gen 3.
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00:16 < tvtoon> thinkpad?
00:16 < passstab> yes
00:17 < passstab> both
00:18 < rcf> passstab: so, the protective MBR has a GPT with type EE, and the GPTs have an 'EFI Sys'? I think you can check that with fdisk -v
00:20 < passstab> rcf: It has ID EE
00:21 < rcf> So that's standard. 
00:21 < passstab> It also says EFI GPT at the end of the line
00:22 < passstab>  0: EE      0   0   2 - 121601  80  63 [           1:  1953525167 ] EFI GPT
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00:30 < passstab> Another question, I'm trying to set up a machine as a ChromeOS clone with OpenBSD under the hood. What WM would would you all suggest?
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00:33 < rcf> passstab: and you have EFI Sys under the GPT section? Because that should be enough for the disklabel to show it as msdos, at least. 
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00:34 < rcf> As for ChromeOS... I've not used it in a very long time, unfortunately. 
00:35 < passstab> I'm sorry you see that as unfortunate...
00:35 < passstab> What do you mean GPT section?
00:36 < rcf> fdisk -v will give you Primary GPT and Secondary GPT. They should match, and one of the partitions should have type 'EFI Sys'
00:37 < rcf> That's what triggers the disklabel spoofing to describe it as msdos, rather than something unknown. 
00:38 < passstab> I see that they match and say EFI.
00:39 < passstab> Also has "Attributes: (0x8000000000000001) Required MSNoAutoMount"
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00:49 < rcf> As long as it's EFI Sys, it should be working. If it's just EFI, that's rather weird; my reading of the code says it should just list the UUID at that point 
00:51 < passstab> Should I try to remove that attribute?
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01:05 < rcf> passstab: ah, OK. Apparently you'd have to remove the Required attribute to get it to show up in disklabel properly 
01:06 < passstab> I was just looking into that, how do I change it?
01:06 < passstab> rcf: 
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01:09 < rcf> passstab: enter fdisk's command mode (-e), and you can set the attributes with the flag command.
01:11 < rcf> You'd want 0x8000000000000000 (I think that's the right number of zeroes) -- this keeps the MSNoAutoMount (which is usually desirable if you boot Windows), but clears Required. 
01:13 < passstab> sd0*: 1> flag 0 800000000000000
01:13 < passstab> Partition 0 flag value set to 0x2d79883d20000.
01:13 < passstab> Did I just skrew it up?
01:13 < rcf> The 0x is important. 
01:13 < passstab> rcf: 
01:14 < passstab> That looks better
01:14 < rcf> It's a bit field, not a random number. 
01:15 < passstab> I fixed it, and it looks better.
01:16 < rcf> Then write, reboot, and see if you have an msdos device again.
01:17 < passstab> oh, I need to write. I was just wondering why fdisk -v didn't change.
01:19 < passstab> rcf: just repeated that with the write, and no change.
01:20 < passstab> Do I need to reboot before fdisk -v will change?
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01:21 < passstab> oh, wait, no, the ending 1 is gone!
01:22 < rcf> The 1 is Required, so you should be good. Hopefully. 
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01:24 < passstab> sd0i is still unknown as per diskpart
01:24 < rcf> I think you need disklabel -c to have it reread it from disk. 
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01:26 < passstab> rcf: no change
01:29  * rcf checks some things....
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01:30 < passstab> To be specific, that is to say I tried 
01:30 < passstab> doas disklabel -c sd0 
01:30 < passstab> and i is still unknown
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01:35 < mewt> Hi, interested in when the armv7 packages for 7.7 are likely to be done. I guess this says unofficial so it may not be known
01:35 < mewt> They seem to be about the last thing left, and I stupidly upgraded to 7.7 believing the release meant pkgs were ready
01:35 < mewt> last architcture, rather
01:36 < rcf> passstab: ...and yet when I try to reproduce this, having Required set doesn't actually make a difference. I guess https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sys/kern/subr_disk.c#L645 was lying to me this whole time. 
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01:42 < passstab> doas disklabel -c sd0 
01:43 < passstab> sorry, didn't mean to paste that time
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07:28 < ssm_> shithub is going to start rate limiting repo fetches for users without accounts. this seems bad for ports bulk builds.
07:30 < ssm_> multibillion corp can't handle traffic they've successfully handled for decade(s), my <tinfoil> tells me there's something they want from the tracking that comes from account usage
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07:33 < ssm_> the actual blogpost. http fetches are going to be rate limited, but of course you can't do ssh fetches without an account https://github.blog/changelog/2025-05-08-updated-rate-limits-for-unauthenticated-requests/
07:34 < FenderQ> ssm_: I have faith in the OpenBSD devs at adapting to these kind of problems created
07:35 < IcePic> ssm_: you could still use "deploy keys" or something for your scriptet pulls
07:35 < FenderQ> :)
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07:45 < ssm_> IcePic: I was thinking a set of preinstalled keys for ~50 accounts stored in ${PORTSDIR}/infrastructure where a random one (or some other distribution) gets pulled during fetch/dist targets
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07:46 < ssm_> or http fetches over open proxies, we love MITM attacks
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07:49 < anelli> this is sad. microsoft is tryna kill everything slowly
07:49 < ssm_> there's some popular image of an astronaut floating behind another astronaut with a gun for this sort of thing
07:49 < anelli> lmao yeah
07:50 < IcePic> my guess is that scraping bots is hurting gh just as they do for lots of other sites that generate output
07:51 < anelli> add screenshot of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_acquisitions to the meme :b
07:52 < anelli> IcePic: good for them if that's the case. they scrapped code first to feed their pilot thingie
07:52 < ssm_> turd polishing never before seen
07:52 < IcePic> sure, just my view as opposed to "they want to track us" also suggested
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07:55 < IcePic> given that we know lots of sites have had to make measures to stop bots from asking "please list all diffs between v1.23234 and v1.4587457" for all possible versions, it seems likely that gh also are hit by this on all publically reachable repos
07:57 < mischief> > The primary rate limit for unauthenticated requests is 60 requests per hour.
07:57 < mischief> unless git clones somehow count as multiple requests, i highly doubt you will ever hit this building ports
07:58 < mischief> (maybe if you only fetch and dont build?)
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08:01 < ssm_> dpb for large ports can pull in hundreds of packages, many of which come from github. I could see that rate limit being hit very easily, even for some smaller bulk builds
08:02 < IcePic> so I guess if a bot gets to the history of a single file, like https://github.com/openbsd/src/commits/master/Makefile and then "presses" each individual commit to list what it changes, there will be a lot of cpu churn for gh to calculate the differences, and caching it for GH wide will just not be possible
08:02 < ssm_> I'm not educated in webshit enough to know if the blogpost included ratelimiting things like fetches from archived releases
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08:08 < IcePic> perhaps "asset" downloads isnt in the list they say is affected, "These changes will apply to operations like cloning repositories over HTTPS, anonymously interacting with our REST APIs, and downloading files from raw.githubusercontent.com"
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08:08 < IcePic> or does ports often checkout gh and build from that? 
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08:51 < anelli> IcePic: just tried a port and it fetched https://github.com/s-macke/SAM/archive/a7b36efac730957b59471a42a45fd779f94d77dd.tar.gz this is for a commit tho. it generates it ig
08:51 < anelli> i think it does different things dependning on if it's a version
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08:54 < anelli> the other method is SITES=https://github.com/acct/project/releases/download/relname/
08:56 < anelli> so it hits /archive/ for commits or tags, or /releases/ for releases from https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/guide.html#PortsChecklist
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09:01 < IcePic> yeah, I guess sometimes a port must use a commit instead of a release, even if it is technically worse for the checksumming to be stable and so on
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09:20 < anelli> IcePic: idk it still gets sha256 summed in distinfo like normal
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09:26 < IcePic> anelli: yes, but if GH changes anything in how they export from the git repo into a downloadable .tgz then the checksum will change even if the code does not
09:26 < IcePic> like if "tar" or "gzip" changes something
09:27 < anelli> fair. it's necessitiy anyways bc the SAM thing ddoesn't have releases or tags
09:27 < mewt> hrm, maybe one extra time since more people are here: how long do the armv7 packages usually take to build after a new release? Been 15d and no sign of them, which prevents me from using my beaglebone black properly on 7.7
09:32 < IcePic> in 7.6 it looks like arm pkgs were added a month later than the fast arches
09:32 < IcePic> packages are release before, so its not totally correct
09:33 < Lucas_> mewt: armv7 is a very slow arch
09:34 < IcePic> looking at 7.5 and 7.6, it seems that the prediction "30 days after the fast arches" is somewhat close, but this would imply any-day-now since the fast 7.7 packages were done Arp-11
09:34 < IcePic> Apr*
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09:40 < IcePic> seems like no report on armv7 bulk builds since Feb-1
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09:41 < IcePic> and that started dec-26 and took 1M7D or so
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09:54 < mischief> the generated tarballs used to very unstable but i guess they improved on that
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10:13 < IcePic> mischief: sure, but its only one bug in tar/zlib away from changing again, doesn't have to be very malicious or anything
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11:01 < jgh> wups, sorry
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16:42 < echelon> what do i need to do if i didn't enable xenodom at install and want to enable it?
16:42 < echelon> just rcctl enable xenodm?
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16:43 < echelon> when i do rcctl start xenodm, i get failed
16:44 < echelon> oh shoot.. i forgot to install the X sets
16:45 < mischief> a simple tar away
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16:54 < echelon> done
16:54 < echelon> i don't have a /etc/X11/xenodm/Xsession
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16:55 < echelon> am i missing anything else?
16:55 < echelon> i untarred xbase77.tgz, xfont77.tgz, xserv77.tgz and xshare77.tgz
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16:57 < echelon> could someone paste the contents of their /etc/X11/xenodm/Xsession
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17:00 < vortexx> if you're missing a file you're better off booting bsd.rd and running upgrade. xetc77.tgz is probably in base77.tgz
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17:01 < vortexx> then again it's in xbase77.tgz
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17:09 < echelon> vortexx: xbase77 has the /etc/X11/xenodm directory, but there's no Xsession file
17:12 < vortexx> just run the upgrade it'll solve it
17:13 < echelon> from usb?
17:13 < vortexx> or over http
17:13 < echelon> ok, thanks
17:13 < vortexx> yw
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17:13 < echelon> is upgrade able to handle encrypted disks?
17:15 < lts> Yes
17:15 < vortexx> yes if you boot the bsd.rd on disk you'll unlock the disks when you boot
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17:20 < echelon> oh, i just booted from the usb installer, and selected upgrade, but it says Available disks are: none
17:20 < sonya> xetc77:/etc/X11/xenodm/Xsession
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17:21 < echelon> sonya: there's no xetc77.tgz https://cloudflare.cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/amd64/
17:23 < echelon> is there any reason bsd.rd wouldn't recognize my usb kb/mouse?
17:25 < sonya> $ tar tvzf /home/ftp/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/amd64/xbase77.tgz      | grep tgz
17:25 < sonya> xetc is inside
17:26 < sonya> check your fs if you've already untarred xbase
17:26 < sonya> ./var/sysmerge/xetc.tgz
17:30 < echelon> awesome!
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17:57 < echelon> i created a w95 fat32 (lba) partition on linux on a thumb drive, but in openbsd it shows up as an unused partition
17:57 < echelon> what's the deal
17:59 < echelon> i formatted it with mkfs.vfat in linux, and i can see the contents of the flash drive in linux.. is there something I need that's special for openbsd?
17:59 < mischief> is it not just sdXi in openbsd?
18:00 < mischief> or did you not put a partition table on it?
18:01 < vortexx> echelon: because you didn't boot the disk the install is on, you have to manually decrypt the drive with bioctl. Just reboot and boot bsd.rd on your disk 
18:02 < vortexx> that'll handle the decryption and the bsd.rd can do the upgrade via http or the usb
18:02 < echelon> vortexx: i was able to just install xetc77.tgZ, thanks!
18:03 < vortexx> great! It's for the next time this happens
18:03 < echelon> mischief: i did put a partition table on jt
18:04 < echelon> it
18:05 < uwharrie> what do you mean by "shows up as an unused partition"? what's the output of fdisk and disklabel on the drive?
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18:09 < echelon> uwharrie: https://paste.ee/r/XXbnOXUU
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18:12 < echelon> uwharrie: https://paste.ee/r/z6ewoeYL
18:13 < echelon> why is disklabel and fdisk's output different?
18:13 < uwharrie> because they're reporting different things
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18:20 < uwharrie> fdisk is for the MBR/GPT partition table, disklabel is for the disk slices within one of or all of those partitions https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html
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18:28 < uwharrie> trying to verify this is still the case, but I recall that openbsd only auto-allocates a single slice for the first foreign filesystem and you have to manually add additional ones
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18:43 < uwharrie> appears to be the case for partitions created and formatted outside of OpenBSD
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18:58 < mo8> if fw-update doesn't install anything after I switch m.2 wi-fi card does that mean I can't get wi-fi (wi-fi is bloat anyways I totally didn't want it anyways). Currently I have a MediaTek MT7921 and previously I had a (Broadcom?) BCM94360NG which also didn't install anything when I did fw-update.
19:00 < uwharrie> depends on whether the chip is both supported and requires firmware
19:01 < lts> mo8: Quick internet search says looks like that card does not work. Go ahead and enjoy life without it (and consider a 15EUR/USD AX200/201/210/211 m.2 replacement if you want wifi)
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19:02 < echelon> uwharrie: so how does one manually allocate a foreign fs?
19:02 < mo8> Damn the Intel Ax200 is only 15eur? I think my Broadcom cost me 20 or 25 and was allegedly the correct one for hackintosh support but it wasn't only up to Ventura (13) and 15 Sonoma was the latest not sure if 16 is out yet I don't really like Mac OS and the Intel AX200 is the right one... I messed up for sure
19:02 < mischief> mo8: i have a pretty similar chip in my desktop (MT7922), also doesn't work on openbsd. have an ethernet cable? :-)
19:02 < mo8> Yup typing this from firefox on my OpenBSD laptop
19:03 < uwharrie> echelon: you'd add an entry to the disklabel with the correct offset and size
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19:07 < uwharrie> https://man.openbsd.org/disklabel#E
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19:32 < echelon> is there any reason why firefox would alert this on video streams? No compatible source was found for this media
19:33 < echelon> do i need to install codecs?
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19:33 < mischief> DRM?
19:34 < echelon> no
19:34 < echelon> html5/hls/m3u8
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19:35 < echelon> /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/firefox indicates i need ffmpeg
19:36 < Bradipo> Yeah, I make it a routine to install ffmpeg.
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21:13 < vortexx> maybe ffmpeg should be made a dependency for firefox?
21:15 < Bradipo> No, it's not really.
21:15 < Bradipo> It's a "nice to have".
21:15 < sibiria> it's a very nice to have, but should be just libavcodec. not the ffmpeg package as it stands now. for firefox it's some 5mb of useful library, 145mb of useless baggage
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21:21 < vortexx> are we really that short of space in /usr/local? (I know, 5Gb isn't enough for most desktop stuff)
21:22 < sibiria> no. it's just... a lot of packages and a lot of surface
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21:23 < Bradipo> If libavcodec does a better job, it would make sense.  Why isn't it being used?  Licensing?
21:24 < sibiria> libavcodec is the core component of ffmpeg that does all the lifting
21:24 < sibiria> maintainer (or anyone else) just hasn't bothered making a flavor with only the necessary parts for decoding video
21:25 < sibiria> ffmpeg package = the full monty with extra bells and whistles, to cover everyone's desires
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21:26 < Bradipo> I see.
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