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10:27 < rIMpossible> I did not follow up the recent developments for APU2 firmware. Is anyone using the Dasharo versions of the firmware?
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11:03 < cs_0x6373> Sorry for the stupid question: i want to build sysutils/rsyslog (i want to enable kafka output for example), but this compiles a lot of dependencies (cmake, mariadb, ...) as well which takes a long time.
11:03 < cs_0x6373> I remember (maybe wrongly) that there was a possibility to install dependencies as packages instead of compiling the port.
11:03 < andrath> flavors you mean?
11:04 < sibiria> it usually works - not always, but usually - if you just install those dependencies manually first
11:04 < cs_0x6373> my end goal would be a rsyslog-omkafka flavour
11:04 < anelli> i guess you mean you want to install build dependencies via pkg manager and then use them to make the port right?
11:04 < cs_0x6373> anelli: exactly
11:05 < anelli> yea i'm curious on how to do it too. ig some awk stuff would extract the bdeps
11:05 < IcePic> cd /usr/ports/type/port make FETCH_PACKAGES= install
11:05 < IcePic> will pull in deps as packages
11:05 < anelli> o nice
11:06 < IcePic> and if a certain package is not available, then it will be built, otherwise the ports framework will just pkg_add it and move on to next dep
11:06 < cs_0x6373> IcePic: thanks, i did not find anything online (most certain my fault)
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11:09 < sibiria> oh that's pretty useful, never knew about that makefile target. i always did it manually. IcePic++
11:10 < IcePic> its a bit weird that it is empty, one would think that would be same as unset but it is not
11:10 < IcePic> or need =Yes or so
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11:16 < horsegoosemeth> Hi
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11:17 < horsegoosemeth> Hi how do I initialise wlan internetworking on using during the openbsd installation procedure..?
11:17 < IcePic> depends on if the wifi card is supported or not, and if it needs firmware to work or not
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11:18 < cs_0x6373> IcePic: that works flawlessly, thanks again
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11:18 < IcePic> the slower your favourite arch, the smarter tricks you learn
11:19 < cs_0x6373> time to pull the librdkafka port from the ports mailinglist and try to get it to run
11:20 < cs_0x6373> yesterday i build the zabbix-agent port, modified to compile with GnuTLS to get the PSK functionality back, but i could not get it work with our zabbix proxies using OpenSSL
11:22 < horsegoosemeth> I'd assume it is supported.
11:22 < horsegoosemeth> no iwd, no nm, no ip, disk!
11:22 < horsegoosemeth> Aahh
11:22 < horsegoosemeth> Not disk, meant idk.
11:23 < horsegoosemeth> Which program is available 
11:23 < horsegoosemeth> ..?
11:23 < horsegoosemeth> Plozlx
11:23 < horsegoosemeth> Sorry mobile telephone and yes.
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11:24 < sibiria> "halt -p" is available, it's my favorite. but also if you're dependant on wifi it's usually easier to install from the full install image just to get somewhere
11:25 < horsegoosemeth> Thanks.
11:25 < horsegoosemeth> I would use that but I am not drunk. 
11:26 < IcePic> if not drunk, then "full install image" is a good option, as sibiria says
11:26 < sibiria> well, best get going on that. it's friday
11:26 < horsegoosemeth> I see 
11:26 < horsegoosemeth> True...
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12:23 < cs_0x6373> oh my, librdkafka uses SSL_CTX_set_cert_cb and other callbacks that are not implemented in LibreSSL
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12:25 < andrath> There is an OpenSSL in the ports/packages, you'd have to figure out how to link against that
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12:48 < anthk_> ffsv2 ate a file on a power outage and fs crash
12:48 < anthk_> is there a mount option to grant better relisience even if the speed gets reduced?
12:48 < anthk_> at least for /home
12:48 < sibiria> no
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12:50 < sibiria> if you have async set, remove that
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12:51 < mischief> `sync`? :-)
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12:51 < sibiria> it won't save a file half-through since there's no journal
12:52 < anthk_> no, no async
12:53 < anthk_> how about netbsd's wapbl?
12:53 < anthk_> would it work well if ported?
12:57 < cs_0x6373> andrath: thanks for the hint, yesterday i played around with boringssl and zabbix-agent, but could not compile it
12:57 < cs_0x6373> will take a look at that again.
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13:05 < sibiria> anthk_: if portable, i'm sure it would work better than having no journal :) but a mini-UPS would be a faster solution
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13:10 < anthk_> sibiria: indeed an UPS it's better
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13:14 < cs_0x6373> IcePick: make FETCH_PACKAGE= .. will not work with all ports
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13:15 < cs_0x6373> i found security/sslscan to depend on openssl to be available in /usr/ports/pobj/... which it only is if it was also build as a port...
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13:24 < cs_0x6373> it's been so long since i did some work with ports....
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13:50 < cs_0x6373> So, i could compile librdkafka, but only when i change some file after configure was run.
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13:52 < cs_0x6373> is there a way that i can apply a patch in the post-configure target?
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14:07 < mischief> why not patch the original source?
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14:14 < cs_0x6373> because i have a problem that configure does not setup the LIBS variable correctly (i need -L/usr/local/libs/eopenssl33 in there) and have not found a way to do it with the environment in the Makefile
14:16 < cs_0x6373> so when i do a "make configure" and then change the generated Makefile.config to include the librarypath that i require i can compile it
14:17 < sibiria> having to point various things in the right direction like that is normal
14:17 < sibiria> the autotooled script should pick up CFLAGS, LDFLAGS etc.
14:19 < sibiria> ./configure CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include --some-stuff
14:19 < cs_0x6373> sibiria: that is what i'm trying, but no luck till now
14:19 < sibiria> occasionally you'll need to provide paths specifically for this or that dependency. in that case they'll have their own environment variables. the help section of the script will point those out
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14:21 < sibiria> cs_0x6373: did you try specifying the environment as arguments to the configure script?
14:22 < sibiria> "BLAH=xxx ./configure" is different than "./configure BLAH=xxx"
14:22 < sibiria> the latter is preferred
14:25 < cs_0x6373> oh my, i got it compiling... i use LIBS +=, LDFLAGS += and  use "--LDFLAGS=..." in CONFIGURE_ARGS in the port Makefile
14:27 < cs_0x6373> i also got ryslogd to compile the omkafka plugin as well
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14:28 < cs_0x6373> i have to cleanup the ports (i think i need to define some dependencies and stuff) after i tested it a little bit
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14:34 < andrath> nice work
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14:43 < cs_0x6373> is someone else interested in have a kafka output available in rsyslogd?
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14:44 < RobbieAB> I thought kafka could do it's own messaging?
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14:46 < cs_0x6373> yes, but i want to feed syslog data and logfiles into kafka
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15:42 < vortexx> cs_0x6373:  man bsd.port.mk gives you all the options when building ports
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15:43 < cs_0x6373> vortexx: i know, but it is a lot to digest.. :)
15:43 < vortexx> indeed
15:46 < cs_0x6373> I still have the problem with the download of a release from github, the v2.10.0 release does not contain the projects name, so its only v2.10.0.tar.gz
15:46 < cs_0x6373> Will have to try something like "DISTFILES = minetest-{minetest/archive/}${V}${EXTRACT_SUFX}" from bsd.ports.mk
15:47 < andrath> cs_0x6373: if you are interested in working on new ports, you could get involved with the openbsd-wip guys. 
15:48 < andrath> they maintain quite a few here: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip
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16:04 < cs_0x6373> if this works and the project is going smoothly, then i will submit a diff to openbsd-ports to get it upstream
16:05 < cs_0x6373> i lost interest in using github for code when they started requiring mfa
16:05 < thrig> I dropped github when windows (it was rumored) was squirting ads into the start menu
16:06 < cs_0x6373> and they also dump all github activity/data into their ai training as well probably
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16:10 < andrath> I don't really care about that, that's just where the project is at. I don't use github a lot either, I prefer my personal gitea
16:12 < andrath> All I really care about is being able to get at the code. :)
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16:15 < cs_0x6373> andrath: exactly
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16:25 < sonya> vortexx: ++ , thanks..
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16:49 < oldlaptop> <cs_0x6373> and they also dump all github activity/data into their ai training as well probably
16:49 < oldlaptop> As far as the actual code is concerned, if it's public, it's public, whether on github or $trendy_alternative or your own server or whatever.
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16:51 < oldlaptop> (Of course github is a little more than that, but the same principle really applies to bug reports, forum posts, and similar things too, to a large degree. They presumably have a little more metadata to mine than they expose publicly, but really all of the "value" is there to be scraped from wherever you're hosting it.)
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16:52 < cs_0x6373> oldlaptop: of course the code is public (and the issues etc), but AI trained on this does not really care about giving credit to the original author or licenses etc...
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16:52 < rcf> The bigger issue is that they use residential proxies to DDoS smaller providers. 
16:53 < oldlaptop> That's a separate problem. Whether the code's publicly hosted on Github or anywhere else makes very little practical difference as to whether they can obtain it for such purposes, because it's publicly hosted.
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16:53 < rcf> They're getting it, whether you want them to or not, if it's visible on the public Internet. And they don't care how they do it. 
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16:54 < andrath> yep, it really doesn't matter if it's on github, codeberg, gitlab or anywhere else. It's not those service's fault. Public is indeed public.
16:55 < oldlaptop> rcf: They don't even seem to care whether they're getting it in a particularly easy or sensible way for *them* (see cvsweb.openbsd.org's scraping problems - in which whoever's screwing up the web gateway for everyone doesn't realize the entire history is available in, you know, version control)
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16:58 < oldlaptop> Option a: spend, what, five minutes cloning the github mirror? Option b: follow the expressly documented and supported procedure for mirroring the actual cvs repository. Option c: spend who knows how many weeks trying to scrape cvsweb, including trying to get around nick@'s attempts to keep the thing from being flattened by your scraperbot army
16:59 < oldlaptop> Option c is apparently mysteriously alluring.
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17:02 < oldlaptop> I would interpret github's measures (closing down the "code search" stuff for non-logged-in users) as a sign they have similar problems. (a bit less mysterious in that case)
17:04 < rcf> The assumption is usually that the AI will do the processing from the website, so that they don't have to understand how something like version control or a database works beyond what they've cobbled together through vibe coding. 
17:05 < rcf> After all, you wouldn't notice the people who really know what they are doing.
17:07 < oldlaptop> Yeah.
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20:06 < typicat> cd Code
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21:08 < mischief> is there no good modestly licensed C http server library?
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21:09 < mischief> ports is .. difficult .. to search. there's libmicrohttpd but i was hoping to avoid LGPL. there's evhttp from libeventextra, but it's a little more bare than i'd hoped
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21:18 < tvtoon> minihttpd? lighttpd?
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21:22 < eea> how about openhttpd?
21:22 < eea> in base, afaik...
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21:25 < tvtoon> openhttpd :O
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21:28 < mischief> um, they aren't libraries.
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22:17 < vortexx> sonya: yw
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22:24 < vortexx> mischief: libcurl?
22:24 < vortexx> https://curl.se/docs/copyright.html
22:25 < mischief> vortexx: it's not a server library.
22:26 < vortexx> ah
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22:30 < mischief> i'm going to give evhttp a shot tomorrow
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