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00:25 < waks> Hi. I want to create a publicly accessible ssh console where unauthenticated users can login and information is displayed using a program I've written. I've chrooted the user and changed their shell to my program so I feel well about the security concerns. However, I have a problem with my current method, every new ssh session spawns a new instance of the program, which is taking up a lot of CPU. There's no 
00:25 < waks> problem with each of these ssh sessions connecting to the same visual output of the program.
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00:26 < waks> I'm looking for advice as to how I should go about connecting each user to a singular virtual console which runs my program. I was thinking I could maybe use GNU screen but I'm wondering if there's a nice built-in OpenBSD method I could take.
00:28 < byteskeptical> tmux
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00:30 < byteskeptical> you can do something like `tmux new-session -A -s urprogram -t urprogram` on user login to create or join the existing tmux session hosting one instance of your program
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00:31 < byteskeptical> you would have to figure out the group permissions for the tmux socket so that new users are automatically members of the correct group for access
00:31 < Intrix> Hello byteskeptical
00:31 < Intrix> byteskeptical, Are you okay?
00:31 < byteskeptical> sup int
00:32 < Intrix> byteskeptical, Have you ever used the LXQt desktop on your operating system?
00:33 < byteskeptical> Intrix: what kind of garbage chat model are you running?
00:33 < mischief> how did i know it was a bot xD
00:34 < Intrix> byteskeptical, I didn't understand your question
00:34 < Intrix> I'm not a bot, dude :/
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00:35 < Intrix> mischief, Who told you I'm a bot?
00:35 < byteskeptical> Intrix: yeah the back and forth may work on others
00:36 < byteskeptical> but your either impersonating really well or the obivous
00:36 < oldlaptop> Intrix: Marching into a channel and saying vaguely semi-relevant but seemingly random things to the first nickname that speaks smells a little bot-like.
00:36 < byteskeptical> neither of which is a difference the humans on here
00:36 < Intrix> byteskeptical, What are you talking about?
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00:37 < oldlaptop> If you're not a bot, you might want to avoid that kind of thing. Given all the bot nonsense that floats around these days, people can get kind of paranoid.
00:39 < Intrix> What's with this guy thinking bots are invading IRC? Why would I be a bot? Who knows what kind of stuff goes through his mind every day, seriously, that's wild!
00:41 < Intrix> Alright, since I'm a robot now, Beep boop buup!
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00:42 < byteskeptical> we will see
00:42 < Intrix> oldlaptop, Dude, have you ever used LXQt?
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00:43 < oldlaptop> Sure. If you have some specific question about running lxqt on OpenBSD, you should just ask it.
00:44 < Intrix> byteskeptical, You seem to be hating me for something that no one really takes seriously in the first place
00:45 < Intrix> oldlaptop, Not all drivers work on OpenBSD or FreeBSD, am I correct?
00:45 < oldlaptop> All of OpenBSD's drivers (should) work on OpenBSD. OpenBSD does not have drivers for all concievable hardware, however.
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00:46 < oldlaptop> Or even all conceivable hardware.
00:47 < mischief> inconceivable!
00:47 < Intrix> oldlaptop, When something is incompatible, there's really no way to run the operating system on the machine, is there?
00:47 < oldlaptop> That depends on what the "something" is.
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00:48 < oldlaptop> (Again, if you have a specific question, you should just ask it.)
00:48 < Intrix> oldlaptop, I mean the hardware part, drivers for hardware
00:48 < lolok> https://dontasktoask.com/
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00:49 < oldlaptop> So do I.
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00:49 < byteskeptical> oldlaptop: I don't know what was going on prior to my response to waks but if more than one well known member of this room has the same vibes (pun intended) about this it may be cause for slightly raised concerns. Not telling you what to do or not do but whatever is going on here specifically I and I'm sure you can forsee this kind of thing getting worse. 
00:50 < oldlaptop> A missing driver for (looking over at the other table) the built-in fingerprint reader is probably not a very big deal. A missing driver for the GPU is a much bigger deal (but still doesn't stop you "[running] the operating system on the machine").
00:50 < oldlaptop> byteskeptical: Sure.
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00:50 < Intrix> oldlaptop, He's uncomfortable with my presence, I think I'd better leave
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00:51 < oldlaptop> If you have some specific question, just ask it (and prove him wrong!)
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00:52 < Intrix> oldlaptop, It happened that my FreeBSD ran the video driver for my processor’s integrated graphics, but it used a similar driver, not the one specifically made for my processor
00:53 < byteskeptical> nailed it great question
00:53 < oldlaptop> We don't know anything about FreeBSD here. (Or rather anyone who does will be in #freebsd or something too, which is where you should ask questions about it.)
00:55 < Intrix> oldlaptop, I miserably thought that it didn't matter what came before BSD, I thought they were all the same
00:55 < oldlaptop> They're not.
00:56 < oldlaptop> FreeBSD is "the same as" OpenBSD the way a fox is "the same as" an Irish wolfhound.
00:56 < Intrix> oldlaptop, Ok, thanks for clearing that up
00:58 < Intrix> oldlaptop, I gave up on Windows, even though it's used by the majority of the world's population
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01:00 < Intrix> I believe you were a Windows user too, in fact I think we’ve all been Windows users at some point
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03:29 < oldlaptop> OSX/Darwin is arguably a "BSD".
03:29 < oldlaptop> (Really weird one if so)
03:30 < ssm_> devel/adb seems to be borked, or I need extra configuration on my lineageOS device to open a shell on it
03:30 < ssm_> works on macos without any additional configuration
03:31 < oldlaptop> not having touched adb or related things for years, I assume you've made sure the device node permissions are appropriate?
03:31 < ssm_> I'm running adb as root, is that a mistake?
03:31 < oldlaptop> (it should, IIRC, be the same as for any other libusb user)
03:32 < oldlaptop> That sounds like a bad idea to me, but I suppose it would rule out permissions issues.
03:32 < ssm_> device attaches as ugen(4), usbdevs says `addr 04: 18d1:4ee7 Huawei, Nexus 6P \n high speed, power 500 mA, config 1, rev 3.10, iSerial 8XV7N16831000469 \n driver: ugen1`
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03:43 < ssm_> I was able to get connection over tcpip, but not usb. it's something I guess
03:44 < oldlaptop> That suggests permissions again.
03:46 < ssm_> /dev/usb* is all 640, root:wheel. I'm in wheel, so it should be readable. do I need write too?
03:46 < ssm_> if there's docs for this that would be better
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04:02  * oldlaptop would reason that you probably need to send stuff to the cellphone thingy, which would probably involve writing to the device node.
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04:41 < ssm_> If that was the case, adb as root should have worked... I set /dev/usb1 to 660 but I still get the same `error: device not found`, and no request for pairing on the device
04:44 < ssm_> invoking `adb usb` is identical
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06:20 < prahou> hi, can i teach httpd to treat unknown filetypes as plain text?
06:21 < ssm_> prahou: hi openbsd and plan9 release artist, is the `include` entry in httpd.conf(5) of use?
06:22 < ssm_> also see `type` and `default type`
06:22 < ssm_> those are actually more relevant than the former
06:23 < prahou> ah! default type should be it
06:23 < prahou> let me try
06:23 < IcePic> default type text/plain
06:24 < prahou> Wonderful! tysm
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06:45 < mornfall> oh, talking of mime types and httpd… how do i set the default charset to utf-8?
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06:49 < prahou> mornfall: i have an answer for that!
06:50 < prahou> in types {
06:50 < prahou> "text"/"plain; charset=utf-8"   txt
06:51 < mornfall> oh that works? lemme try
06:53 < mornfall> indeed, thanks! (it does look kinda hacky tho)
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06:54 < mornfall> it also somehow parsed even when i missed the initial " (and sent a bogus header)
06:56 < prahou> it is hacky, i guess
06:56 < prahou> i think otherwise you can set it up in relayd
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07:01 < mornfall> i had that idea too, but it sounds a bit too roundabout
07:01 < mornfall> i'm sure the types hack is gonna bite me as soon as i forget about it ;-)
07:01 < mornfall> such is life
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08:13 < rIMpossible> Hello. I have autogroups in .cwmrc . All applications are on the corresponding group screens. Libreoffice is always omnipresent. any idea?
08:15 < rIMpossible> I checked output of xprop for the libreoffice-writer and WM_CLASS(STRING) = "libreoffice", "libreoffice-writer" and that's what I have in autogoup 4.
08:15 < rIMpossible> s/autogoup/autogroup
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08:20 < anelli> rIMpossible: can you try a cwm reload? there should be a config key for it. sometimes it fixes windows that are bugging for me
08:22 < rIMpossible> anelli: thank you, but did apparently not help, even relogin did not work
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08:23 < rIMpossible> Have there been major changes in 7.6 and 7.7 in cwm, so that there is additional care necessary?
08:23 < anelli> rIMpossible: hm weird. do you have `sticky yes'?
08:23 < anelli> in your .cwmrc
08:23 < rIMpossible> anelli: no
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08:24 < anelli> rIMpossible i think it's needed to get "multiple desktops"
08:24 < anelli> like virtual desktops or tags
08:25 < anelli> but as for 7.6->7.7 nah all the same here
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08:26 < rIMpossible> anelli: my last change in the .cwmrc config was with 7.4, so I have this config untouched since 3-4 versions
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08:27 < anelli> rIMpossible:
08:27 < anelli> it's still good to check everything. can you upload it?
08:27 < rIMpossible> yes, wait
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08:28 < anelli> paste.debian.net is gud
08:30 < Posterdati> hi
08:30 < Posterdati> please is there anyone experienced xfce4 desktop freezes on amd apu?
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08:35 < Posterdati> :(
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08:35 < rIMpossible> anelli: there is my .cwmrc https://pastebin.com/P5QAqkft
08:36 < rIMpossible> where is the pastebin on bsd.ac gone?
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08:39 < rIMpossible> ok, seems to be back in service :)
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08:47 < Posterdati> no errors in logs
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08:53 < anelli> rIMpossible: not sure tbh
08:54 < anelli> i say backup this .cwmrc and start a new with a simple one to rule out config errors
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08:56 < anelli> i'm gathering that you want dwm-like behavior so here's a good config to start with https://nein.triapul.cz/openbsd/cwm/
08:56 < anelli> then gradually add autogroups and test it out
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09:50 < rIMpossible> anelli: thank you a lot. I will coldstart with your config to analyze
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10:45 < anelli> rIMpossible: it's not mine :b but yeah goodluck!
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11:21 < rIMpossible> Thx 
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12:06 < mo8> I think my Laptop has some hardware issues as I have crashed on NixOS and OpenBSD (display freeze,caps lock unresponsive, and I don't remember if this happened on OpenBSD or only NixOS but the last second of sound would loop). My question is where can I find logs to find what causes it. Also I installed my new wifi card and ran fw_update to install iwx, but in GNOME the settings menu doesn't show a
12:07 < mo8> place for wi-fi, like it does on NixOS, is this expected and I just have to use CLI to add wi-fi or is something wrong with my GNOME install.
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12:11  * FenderQ would run memtest86 on suspect hardware
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12:16 < megaTherion> just get a non-broken device :)
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12:18 < mo8> I don't want to buy a new laptop I love my ThinkPad
12:19 < mo8> Did I get disconnected?
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12:19 < megaTherion> *lol*
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12:20 < megaTherion> mo8: then live with broken hw
12:20 < mo8> Wi-Fi works though I disconnected my Ethernet cable
12:21 < mo8> Now to look into memtest86, thanks for the reccomendation
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12:24 < RobbieAB> random crashes and lockups could be dodgy memory, but... Did you have these problems before you installed the new wifi card?
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12:24 < RobbieAB> I mean, a messed up PCIe device is a great way to take out a system. 
12:25 < mo8> No, I am worried I plugged in the main and aux wires the wrong way around, and now on my new intel one I also have them plugged the same way, no crashes yet this is my first boot using the intel one
12:26 < megaTherion> thats not a problem how they are plugged in
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12:38 < oldlaptop> mo8: The reasons a broken PCIe device could cause problems don't have anything to do with which antenna wire you connected to which socket. (Those little antenna sockets *are* a likely point for ESD damage, though.)
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12:40 < sibiria> if the different antennas are of different significant lengths (for different optical wavelengths) you'll at best experience a bit of signal attenuation, at worst impedence mismatch which can stress transceiver amplifier
12:40 < oldlaptop> What you're describing sounds like it could be an 'interrupt storm', which would fit pretty well with RobbieAB's idea. (If that's what's going on you might see evidence in dmesg.)
12:41 < oldlaptop> or perhaps I should say on the console (openbsd) or in syslog (openbsd or linux) - going to be hard to run dmesg(8) after the system's down.
12:44 < oldlaptop> ...and he's gone anyway. :( dammit
12:44 < megaTherion> thats how it is with broken HW :D
12:45 < oldlaptop> :|
12:45 < RobbieAB> And sometimes even broken software...
12:45 < sibiria> sell it and buy a bicycle
12:45 < megaTherion> buy a mac
12:45 < megaTherion> but bicycle is good for health :)
12:45 < RobbieAB> I was one of the independent discoverers of a PCIe bus set-up bug in the Linux kernel.
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12:45 < megaTherion> Linux 
12:46 < megaTherion> *ugh*
12:46 < RobbieAB> Didn't impact amd64 (or ARM, IIRC)
12:46 < RobbieAB> But did hurt the powerpc systems. For me, the trigger was audio, the other trigger identified was video.
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12:48 < RobbieAB> megaTherion: I run both. I can't go openBSD on a handful of my personal systems as I need to run a proprietary binary. Plus I get paid to be good at Linux
12:48 < remiliascarlet> megaTherion: Proper nutrition is good for health, nothing else matters.
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12:50 < megaTherion> RobbieAB: payment is a good excuse for Linux :)
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12:52 < RobbieAB> Exactly. Work want Linux, I want money.
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12:56 < horsegoosemeth> Hi I see acpitiz (or something) messages on stdout following a clean/fresh installation of this OS on a Lenovo Ideapad laptop which has an Qualcomm Snapdragon X Plus processor. Which is ARM64... The messages write, temperature is 0C system powering off... How may I halt these messages and remedy the issue preventing me from using this laptop..?
12:56 < horsegoosemeth> :-(
12:56 < horsegoosemeth> Please let me know...
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12:56 < horsegoosemeth> Which text file should I edit..?
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12:57 < horsegoosemeth> To stop these acpi messages and the false identification of overheating CPU causing the system to power off, before I am able to even login to it..?
12:58 < horsegoosemeth> The messages are displayed almost immediately on powering on the system and bring the system to power down upon completing the boot process...
12:59 < sibiria> with openbsd, you cannot
13:00 < sibiria> there is no support yet for CPU idling on Arm
13:00 < sibiria> always runs at 100% clock frequency
13:02 < horsegoosemeth> Oh no...
13:02 < horsegoosemeth> Wow.
13:02 < horsegoosemeth> Jeez...
13:02 < horsegoosemeth> Okay thank you.
13:03 < sibiria> what do you get from: sysctl hw.setperf
13:03 < sibiria> should say "not supported"
13:05 < horsegoosemeth> I've not checked what that software says...
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13:05 < horsegoosemeth> I may then try armbian ...
13:05 < horsegoosemeth> But why then is there a release of OpenBSD for ARM64..?
13:06 < horsegoosemeth> :-|
13:06 < sibiria> because it's useful in tons of scenarios despite not being complete....
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13:10 < IcePic> even if one machine overheats, there are still hundreds or thousands of other arm64 platforms where thermal shutdown isnt an issue or even exist
13:13 < horsegoosemeth> I see...
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13:15  * oldlaptop wouldn't just assume the thermal sensors and so on are working correctly/supported either
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13:16 < oldlaptop> in particular I'd accuse any system that invariably overheats if it's run without frequently scaling for a minute or two of having plainly inadequate cooling
13:16 < oldlaptop> (and I'd kind of suspect that this particular machine will exhibit the same symptoms if run in a freezer, or whatever)
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13:17 < IcePic> yes, and at least once on a hp laptop, the sensor needed scaling down like 100:1, it would report the cpu being 5000 degress and then do thermal shutdown
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13:17 < IcePic> degrees*
13:18 < oldlaptop> That would bring a whole new meaning to 'thermal shutdown'
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13:25 < horsegoosemeth> Lol yes, another member told to me at a time that frequency scaling is not supported on ARM64 whatsoever.
13:25 < anexit> is there a way to tell if someone pushes a power button on openbsd?
13:25 < horsegoosemeth> And that this was the reason behind this unprecedented thermal shutdown.
13:26 < IcePic> anexit: https://man.ifconfig.se/acpibtn.4
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13:34 < anexit> so setting this to zero would basically disable that button;
13:34 < anexit> hw.allowpowerdown=0
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13:46 < anexit> IcePic: thanks.. still keeps rebooting so maybe it's something else.
13:51 < anexit> anyway to debug this?
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13:52 < anexit> ddb.panic=1
13:52 < anexit> ddb.console=0
13:52 < anexit> ddb.log=1
13:53 < IcePic> anexit: depending on your securelevel, changing that sysctl might not take effect unless its done during boot
13:53 < IcePic> https://man.ifconfig.se/securelevel.7 <- mentioned there at level 1
13:53 < anexit> it's up for about 10 minutes and reboots
13:55 < anexit> where does ddb log too?
13:56 < oldlaptop> ...You probably need to explain in detail what's actually going on if you want useful help from random IRC people.
13:56 < anexit> Router just reboots every 10 minutes. This just started.
13:56 < anexit> Nothing was changed, Openbsd 7.6
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14:00  * oldlaptop would not expect the power button to be involved with this at all
14:00 < anexit> acpibtn was triggered but now I don't see that in dmesg.
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14:01 < anexit> https://paste.fuckingjuniper.com/?8a4acfbaeaedf323#NoBIxPDgih8vkQR9SordOMqZgqzVPBN8QFRI3o5XJ78=
14:02  * oldlaptop categorically refuses to turn on javascript for "private" pastebins - there certainly is no longer any privacy given that you just pasted the private key for 700+ nicks
14:02 < oldlaptop> I'd wonder about the power supply.
14:02 < anexit> yeah
14:03 < anexit> might be hardware related.
14:03 < anexit> yay...
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14:15 < mischief> seems there's no lcov or gcovr in packages :-(
14:15 < mischief> how do people do code coverage
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14:49 < Intrix> Hello oldlaptop
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15:48 < mischief> i was able to install gcovr with pipx. i wonder why there's no port
15:49 < mischief> Lucas_: any thoughts? :-)
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16:07 < Intrix> mischief, Hi
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17:40 < passstab> I was just trying to update my snapshot and it says that / is full.
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17:43 < oldlaptop> passstab: Investigating from null assumptions, you could try mounting only / from bsd.rd or something, and running a du on it. (would imply mounting /usr under another mount point, if du isn't in bsd.rd's crunchgenned toolset)
17:43 < oldlaptop> From experience, make sure you haven't accidentally created a large regular file under /dev.
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17:46 < passstab>  du -h /dev/
17:46 < passstab> gives 848M in /dev/
17:46 < oldlaptop> Sure sounds like you accidentally created a large regular file under /dev.
17:47 < RobbieAB> oldlaptop: Or any other mount point, I assume?
17:47 < oldlaptop> RobbieAB: ...I don't understand the question.
17:47 < zelest> 42.0K    /dev
17:47 < zelest> :D
17:47 < zelest> cd /dev && du -sh * | sort -h
17:48 < RobbieAB> oldlaptop: Fun ways to have du and df not match: Files under the mount points
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17:48 < pardis> or ls -lhrS /dev
17:49 < thrig> du has a -x flag for some reason
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17:49 < oldlaptop> That's why I would suggest doing that from bsd.rd or something - you'd mount the running system's / under /mnt, and (if necessary) its /usr under /mnt2
17:49 < passstab> hmm, this comes from ls -l /dev/
17:49 < passstab> -rw-r--r--  1 root      wheel     888553472 May 20 12:56 sd1
17:49 < oldlaptop> Or du -x. That makes a lot more sense.
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17:50 < passstab> Maybe I missused dd and and copied the external drive to the disk?
17:50 < RobbieAB> does du -x descend into the directories mounted over?
17:50 < oldlaptop> passstab: Generally speaking this happens because you did something like `dd if=my-favorite.iso of=/dev/sd1`, instead of `dd if=my-favorite.iso of=/dev/sd1c`
17:50 < pardis> the discussion about mount points isn't really relevant here since neither /dev nor anything under it is a mount point on a normal OpenBSD system
17:51 < oldlaptop> There is no such device node as /dev/sd1 (not created by MAKEDEV anyway), so that would create a regular file named /dev/sd1.
17:51 < oldlaptop> There is not very much room under / for such regular files.
17:51 < passstab> ok, so I should just remove it?
17:51 < pardis> yes
17:51 < oldlaptop> Unless you're worried it's your only copy of your-favorite.iso or something.
17:52 < oldlaptop> (It doesn't belong in /dev in any case.)
17:52 < pardis> even in that situation, if / is full it is likely a truncated file
17:52 < oldlaptop> Yeah.
17:52 < passstab> Thank you
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17:57 < mischief> another satisfied customer
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18:05 < RobbieAB> thrig: And I was right, if you mount a filesystem on a mount point that already contains a large file, du -x won't show the large file (though it will prevent du from looking into the mounted filesystem)
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20:50 < echelon> hi, is there a way to specify what user i want a daemon to run as in an rc script?
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20:52 < RobbieAB> echelon: There is... 
20:52 < thrig> grep -r user /etc/rc.d
20:52 < sibiria> daemon_user/group iirc
20:52 < echelon> thanks!
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20:53 < RobbieAB> I have daemon_user in my minecraft server file, not 100% certain how that propagates to the daemon
20:53 < RobbieAB> But I also haven't bothered reading the functions yet.
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21:03 < echelon> so if daemon_user is not set, it defaults to root?
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21:24 < echelon> are hyphens not allowed in rc scripts? "invalid rc.d script name"
21:27 < FenderQ> echelon: rc.subr(8)
21:29 < echelon> ah, thanks
21:29 < FenderQ> :)
21:31 < echelon> are daemon processes supposed to background themselves?
21:32 < echelon> i get a timeout
21:32 < jgh_> people have argued over that for decades
21:32 < echelon> when i run rcctl start _srvc
21:33 < echelon> ok
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21:53 < Bradipo> echelon: It depends on how services are managed.
21:53 < echelon> it grabs the terminal session
21:53 < Bradipo> I tend to prefer using a supervisor for daemons, in which case they should *not* "background themselves".
21:56 < echelon> i tried doing this rc_start() { ${rcexec} "${daemon} ${daemon_flags} 2>&1 | logger -t srvc &" } ..but it just says ok, and i don't see the process
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22:06 < pardis> it's probably better to read rc.subr(8) than to reinvent it
22:11 < echelon> rc_bg!!
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22:13 < echelon> pardis: let's say i want to do some additional operations like setting the ownership of some sock files, wouldn't that need to be defined in rc_start()?
22:15 < echelon> there's only a rc_pre and rc_post, rc_pre is for before rc_start, rc_post is after rc_stop
22:15 < echelon> there's no rc_poststart -_-
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22:19 < echelon> huh, for some reason i can't chown from inside an rc script
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22:21 < echelon> nvm.. needed to put in a sleep
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22:25 < pardis> if you want to do that *correctly*, it should be done in the daemon itself
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22:26 < pardis> otherwise you have the race condition you just observed
22:26 < pardis> sleep only makes it less likely to happen
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22:33 < echelon> parai: yeah, that's what i was thinking as well.. thanks!
22:34 < echelon> oops pardis *
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23:05 < echelon> Bradipo: you mentioned a while back that you have a preferred supervisor service, what was it?
23:06 < Bradipo> Oh, I usually use daemontools.
23:06 < echelon> also, can it call actions/scripts if it fails to bring the service back up?
23:06 < echelon> Bradipo: ah, that was it, thanks
23:06 < Bradipo> The sky is the limit---whatever you can script you can do with it.
23:06 < echelon> awesome
23:06 < Bradipo> But it will just keep trying to bring the service up.  If your "run" script has a notification each time it starts you'll get plenty of notifications.
23:07 < Bradipo> You can add in whatever "checks" you want too.
23:07 < echelon> does it track how often it's had to do restarts within a period of time?
23:08 < pardis> you can easily do that yourself
23:08 < echelon> ok
23:08 < pardis> just append the current time to a file every time it starts
23:08 < Bradipo> Any "tracking" would be your own device.
23:08 < echelon> got it
23:08 < Bradipo> It is designed to keep the service running, that's it.
23:08 < Bradipo> If the service crashes, it will restart it immediately.
23:08 < Bradipo> If it keeps crashing, it will keep restarting it.
23:09 < pardis> I prefer runit (you can think of it as daemontools with a few more bells and whistles, but not many)
23:09 < Bradipo> That will go on indefinitely unless you have some kind of logic built into the "run" script which detects this condition.
23:09 < Bradipo> Yes, runit is another contender in this space.
23:09 < Bradipo> Behaves similarly.  I don't know what the bells and whistles are so I cannot comment on them.
23:10 < pardis> one that I've used before is that it has an optional "finish" script that runs after "run" exits
23:10 < echelon> well, if it keeps crashing i want it to assume there is something wrong with the host so that it can carp failover to another host
23:11 < riceandbeans> Is there a syscall I can invoke to return the osname and osversion?
23:11 < pardis> sysctl(2)
23:11 < riceandbeans> I'm writing a thing that I'm trying to make cross platform and I have code that works on dragonfly bsd, freebsd, and every linux distro I've tried
23:12 < riceandbeans> But, openbsd doesn't have an /etc/os-release so I need an alternative means to gather certain data
23:12 < pardis> but you probably don't want to use sysctl(2) directly when uname(3) exists
23:12 < riceandbeans> I'm not going to shell out, it's compiled
23:12 < pardis> shelling out to uname(3) would be quite challenging
23:12 < phy1729> hence (3) https://man.openbsd.org/uname.3
23:13 < riceandbeans> I'm sorry I was thinking man 1 uname
23:14 < pardis> note that there is a slight difference in semantics between /etc/os-release and uname(3)
23:14 < pardis> /etc/os-release (on platforms where it exists) generally shows userland version, uname(3) will always show kernel version
23:14 < pardis> these may differ slightly in case you are in a chroot or something
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23:15 < riceandbeans> https://github.com/nix-rust/nix/blob/master/src/sys/utsname.rs   this may save me some heart ache
23:15 < riceandbeans> I can likely use this on all unix likes and ditch the whole os-release thing in general
23:17 < pardis> that will probably fail on Linux unless you really do want the kernel version and not, say, the Debian version or Fedora version
23:17 < riceandbeans> :\ I do want the latter
23:18 < pardis> the approach I would take is to call uname(3), then check if sysname == "Linux" and have special handling in that situation
23:18 < riceandbeans> Well, I could be slightly lasier
23:18 < riceandbeans> lazier rather
23:19 < thrig> lazy can be bad here, like if you detect Windows with /win/ which then starts matching Darwin
23:19 < riceandbeans> I could just include different code for linux with conditional compilation that does os-release and for BSDs use uname(3)
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23:19 < riceandbeans> I can match the OS with build targets for conditional code
23:20 < riceandbeans> Although, this will be security software, and there's no point building something like that for Windows in the first place, so I'm never going to target it. Pretty much any other OS though.
23:24 < riceandbeans> Thank you for the help
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