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01:55 < remiliascarlet> sibiria: Devuan is better than Debian, because it's still what Debian used to be, and Devuan even publicly said that they don't care who you are, as long as you can contribute anything of worth, you're welcome. Very different from Debian that has seemingly shifted to the far left politically (which typically means they hate anyone who doesn't subscribe to the same politics).
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02:08 < systemdsucks> far left? maybe for trump
02:10 < phy1729> remiliascarlet, systemdsucks: not here
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05:44 < mischief> humorous find of the day
05:44 < mischief> /usr/src/sys/net/if_types.h:177:#define IFT_COFFEE                 0x84 /* coffee pot */
05:48 < anelli> http 418's sibling :b
05:49 < IcePic> should be some kind of stream device that pours coffee into developers in a steady flow
05:53 < dlg> tell me more
05:54 < njn> and who says people that run nix have no sense of humor?
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05:55 < quinq> Nobody ever
05:58 < mischief> dlg: perhaps this can be your next network driver :-)
05:59 < dlg> i already get enough grief about the number of network drivers ive made
05:59 < IcePic> dlg: you seem to invent a lot of odd "two-wire-pretend-bridge-except-not-real" devices. ;)
06:00 < dlg> and what is more real than coffee?
06:00 < ssm_> not exactly funny, but `src/share/mk/sys.mk:11:unix=               We run OpenBSD.` is a strange one
06:00 < IcePic> nothing, its the black gold that runs the world
06:01 < mischief> i was poking around and wondering why pppac(4)'s iftype is IFT_L3IPVLAN: /* Layer 3 Virtual LAN - IP Protocol */
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06:01 < mischief> and not maybe, IFT_PPPMULTILINKBUNDLE, /* PPP Multilink Bundle */
06:04 < mischief> nothing in the source tree actually seems to care about the iftype in particular, except for one unused macro in npppd. just an oddity i guess *shrug*
06:05 < dlg> lldpd cares
06:05 < dlg> but yeah, not a lot
06:08 < mischief> i meant, about IFT_L3IPVLAN in particular
06:08 < dlg> oh
06:09 < mischief> strangely, gre(4) is also IFT_L3IPVLAN
06:09 < dlg> ppp multilink is where you combine multiple physical links into a single logical ppp connection
06:09 < dlg> it's like of like what aggr does for ethernet interfaces
06:09 < dlg> pppac is a point to multipoint thing though
06:10 < dlg> it's a hub with a bunch of spokes hanging off it
06:10 < dlg> which isnt the same as what multi link ppp is supposed to be
06:10 < dlg> as for gre
06:10 < dlg> if_gre.c is a single driver that provides 5 or 6 interfaces now
06:11 < dlg> it's mgre(4) that uses IFT_L3IPVLAN
06:11 < dlg> gre is IFT_TUNNEL
06:11 < IcePic> I remember mho@ doing mppp towards the uni where we worked since he had dual links to his home
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06:14 < dlg> mgre is the same, it's a hub that can talk to spokes
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08:22 < cs_0x6373> strange, when i disable syslogd and enable rsyslog with the default configuration, it apparently is not picking up any logs and i get no entries in /var/log/authlog for example...
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08:23 < cs_0x6373> is anyone here running rsyslog?
08:23 < cs_0x6373> This is on a 7.7 stable system
08:23  * zelest is very happy with regular syslogd. :)
08:25 < cs_0x6373> i'm happy with it too privatly, but on the work boxes we need to forward those logs
08:25 < cs_0x6373> we currently send them off to a kafka queue to forward it to some Grafana Enterprise backend, so i would like to reuse that for OpenBSD as well
08:26 < cs_0x6373> even running "logger -p auth.info something" does not write anything to /var/log/authlog
08:30 < CosmicDJ> cs_0x6373: did you look at the sample rsyslog.conf? maybe you're missing some config settings
08:30 < cs_0x6373> No, i just used the default which is the same as the example provided
08:31 < cs_0x6373> but i just read the sendsyslog(2) manpage where it states the following: This registration is done by opening
08:31 < cs_0x6373>      the /dev/klog device and passing one file descriptor of the socket pair
08:31 < cs_0x6373>      as argument to ioctl(2) LIOCSFD invoked on the klog file descriptor."
08:31 < cs_0x6373> grepping for LIOCSFD in the rsyslog sources yields nothing...
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08:33 < cs_0x6373> do i need to create a new input plugin for openbsd
08:33 < cs_0x6373> ?
08:39 < IcePic> perhaps rsyslog (and other external sysloggers) only pick up stuff that gets sent to a socket or /dev/log, whereas obsd-syslogd (by doing that LIOCSFD thing) also can pick up logs created via the syscall for daemons that do not want to be able to reach device files or sockets
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08:42 < cs_0x6373> in the sample configuration it is mentioned that the imklog plugin does not pickup messages on OpenBSD and is thus not enabled by default.
08:42 < cs_0x6373> i would have thought that the default rsyslog configuration could act as a replacement for syslogd, but this does not look like it is.
08:42 < cs_0x6373> i will try to add the LIOCSFD to the imklog module and see if this is enough
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08:47 < cs_0x6373> will probably not be that easy, i will require a socket pair where one of the sockets needs to be registered with /dev/klog and then the messages can be read via the other socket....
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10:54 < anelli> hi gin cvs is off but still has a valid shell and alternate access files in home di
10:54 < anelli> rectory are still readable.
10:54 < anelli> damn bad clipboard
10:54 < anelli> sorry. but yeah i get this output from security even tho login works fine via su - cvs
10:55 < anelli> the account just doesn't have a password. is that why?
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10:56 < anelli> here's the whole thing "Login cvs is off but still has a valid shell and alternate access files in home directory are still readable."
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11:01 < IcePic> so one might ssh into it, or something using ssh keys for auth, even if pw is set to "disabled"
11:01 < anelli> yeah that's the case. sorry for not elaborting. it's a cvs mirror in lan that i cvs sync to my workstation
11:02 < anelli> so i need ssh for it
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11:03 < anelli> i su - and ssh into it but there's no use for logging in as that user. i don't get why it's a security issue
11:03 < sibiria> anelli: is it 7.6? it's an old known "nag", which should be solved in 7.7
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11:04 < anelli> sibiria: it's a snapshot so should be upgraded. hmmm how can i check when i last sysupgraded that thing
11:04 < IcePic> anelli: its telling you that you disabled one but not all methods of logging in as that user
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11:04 < sibiria> it's always been slightly misguided, because many cases of typical service accounts fall in its crosshairs
11:05 < anelli> IcePic: i mean i just didn't add a password for it because password login isn't needed. i get what you mean though and it kinda makes sense
11:06 < anelli> snapshot was upgraded 9th may so yeah 7.7
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11:09 < anelli> wow i need to keep it up to date. mayb on weekend
11:10 < anelli> i guess i'll add a big password to that user to make security(8) shutup lol
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12:19 < megaTherion> *ugh*
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12:23 < IcePic> anelli: "man 5 passwd" says "use 13 asterisks" to signal your type of account. Preferably, the security scripts would pick up on that
12:26 < anelli> IcePic: oh that's handy thx a lot
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12:28 < IcePic> anelli: perhaps the nightly scripts are stupid and misses it, but then at least you are allowed to complain for doing exactly how the docs tell you to
12:29 < anelli> yeah
12:29 < anelli> i'm giving it a try
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12:29 < sibiria> no that's a working method, i've had to resort to it myself. it'll respect that change
12:30 < anelli> works!
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17:01 < megaTherion> f: retrieving information on mounted file systems: Bad address
17:01 < megaTherion> Exit status 256 from /bin/df -- /etc/rc.d/isc_named
17:01 < megaTherion> what could that be?
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17:05 < sibiria> some mount point that's broken, perhaps
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17:10 < megaTherion> sibiria: not really, thats why I wondered
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17:20 < mischief> why does isc_named call df
17:21 < megaTherion> I wonder that too, but a normal df -h was fine and also a restart of isc_named afterwards
17:21 < megaTherion> its kind of memory constraint device... but not sure it only has 512M ram (VPS) but everything seems to be fine
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17:25 < usagi_mimi> Greetings, if the idiot that moderates the OpenBSD sub reddit around here?
17:26 < usagi_mimi> I want to ask him why I earned a site wide shadow ban because I replied to a thread about CPU backdoors and why mine was the only comment shadow banned within the thread. I also want to know why the next day the account was shadow banned site wide despite not using it for anything else
17:26 < megaTherion> who cares about reddit :D
17:27 < usagi_mimi> I care when it's the only way to get support for my ISP since they no longer employ real humans.
17:27 < lts> Subreddit mods cannot shadowban site-wide. I cannot fathom from your output why that would happen to you
17:27 < usagi_mimi> Do you think I'm some idiot that wouldn't notice and is unable to change my IP address at will along with knowing how to dump the 38 cookies that were set in an attempt to track me? :)
17:27 < usagi_mimi> They can request admins to do it though
17:28 < usagi_mimi> I guess in the future I'll just reframe from posting public information when it's information certain states dislike being talked about. Thanks for letting me know an agent of the state is lurking that board I guess.
17:28 < usagi_mimi> You should be ashamed of yourself. 
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17:38 < lolok> yea... doesnt it make more sense that its the other way around? like maybe you said something that triggered a site wide filter bot script whatever and it has nothing to do with the sub other than thats where you were sending the post that triggered it? idk, seems more likely to me
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19:33 < vortexx> cs_0x6373: syslogd can speak tls if that's what's making you use rsyslog
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20:54 < echelon> can relayd be used for just tcp load balancing, non-http traffic?
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21:22 < usagi_mimi> the sub-thread was purged (I wasn't the OP) a few hours after I initially replied to it. I know because I checked from another machine on a different network. I had a nice discussion with the OP despite it being shadow banned then when I checked a few days later he'd deleted his account so I'm guessing the same thing happened to him to
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21:25 < systemdsucks> echelon: yes
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21:26 < echelon> thanks!
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21:28 < echelon> systemdsucks: can it alter source IP on layer 3?
21:30 < systemdsucks> I think that's pf's job
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