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10:04 < kake> can anelli pls get op
10:06 < sibiria> absolutely not, br
10:06 < sibiria> o
10:06 < kake> :(
10:07 < prahou> good effort
10:07 < sibiria> this is a dictatorship, not a democracy. op is earned and maintained through careful suppression^Wmoderation
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10:28  * FenderQ studies the social engineering attempt
10:39  * ssm_ drinks the social engibeering event
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11:21 < remiliascarlet> A dictatorship and a democracy are both technically the same, except one of the 2 gives you the illusion of choice, and the other one outright gives you no choice.
11:22 < remiliascarlet> sibiria: Oh, I forgot to tag you for the sentence above.
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11:23 < sibiria> which was the implied message
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17:03 < finkfox> hi. i've installed 7.7 on thinkpad carbon x1 gen 5. when "pkg_add firefox-esr" as root it takes forever to "extract". how can I debug this?
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17:03 < finkfox> ps shows idle processes
17:03 < mischief> download the package tarball and extract it?
17:04 < finkfox> well, I would like to understand what is the bottleneck here. it feels strange.
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17:05 < finkfox> I tested disk write speed which seems to be fine (since I'm using full disk encryption)
17:05 < finkfox> i mean it's been extracing for 1h now
17:05 < finkfox> the machine is not that old and slow.
17:05 < xse> one hour feels slow indeed
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17:08 < mischief> maybe ktrace it
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17:16 < finkfox> the slowness is not specific to firefox-esr, it is pkg_add in general. 
17:16 < finkfox> i wonder how I can test performance/identify performance issues further.
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17:23 < finkfox> looks like there is a BIOS update. will do that first.
17:28 < byteskeptical> kstat
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17:50 < sonya> check free space for /usr/local and try another mirror/cdn..
17:55 < ssm_> finkfox: the (extract) stage is actually downloading I believe
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17:56 < ssm_> I actually asked about this a few days ago, though I away'd so I never saw what people said and forgot to check
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18:35 < finkfox> what should usually be the cpu load when doing "pkg_add"?
18:35 < finkfox> I see the perl script consuming 1%
18:35 < finkfox> max
18:36 < metavoid> finkfox: do you use https://cdn.openbsd.org/ ?
18:36 < metavoid> in /etc/installurl
18:36 < finkfox> metavoid: indeed
18:36 < metavoid> I've had horrible speeds for month, both at home and works
18:36 < metavoid> works really bad, stalls at times too
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18:36 < finkfox> ok will use another
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18:38 < finkfox> but also the "processing" of already installed packages is rather slow. or maybe I'm confused and it just is that slow? really?
18:38 < njn> ive never had any problems
18:39 < metavoid> if its already installed, what is there to process?
18:40 < metavoid> anyhow, try any other mirror first
18:42 < finkfox> metavoid: yes I switched mirror now
18:42 < njn> sounds like a problem of either your connection, or your hardware, not openbsd.
18:44 < ssm_> finkfox: pkg_add is quite slow if you're used to something like apk or xbps, but even a full update shouldn't take more than a few minutes if you have a good mirror
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18:45 < pardis> unless texlive has had an update
18:46 < finkfox> ok on another machine. when I do "doas time pkg_add firefox-esr" I get: 13.68 real         1.07 user         0.17 sys
18:46 < finkfox> where firefox-esr is already installed
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18:48 < finkfox> its the same/similar on the machine in question
18:48 < finkfox> so I guess its all good?
18:49 < finkfox> so maybe it is just a slow network connection. I wished there was a bit more transparency what exactly is taking time with pkg_add
18:50 < sibiria> nothing stopping you from adding -vvv etc.
18:50 < njn> you do realize that the package manager is checking for installed/missing packages right?
18:51 < njn> +already
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18:55 < sonya> xonotic, qemu and rust.. my top-3 of a fat-cats..
18:55 < njn> root@~# time pkg_add firefox-esr \n quirks-7.50 signed on 2025-04-20T09:56:12Z \n 0m33.00s real     0m03.11s user     0m00.30s system
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18:59 < njn> finkfox: i mean it has to query the dependencies, then check on whats already installed
19:00 < sibiria> it's accelerated these days, finally
19:03 < njn> or missing, or depends on other things ...
19:03 < njn> it does take a minute i guess to process.
19:04 < sibiria> or seconds, if your chosen mirror has the metadata file and you don't have hundreds of packages
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19:31 < njn> and like sibiria said, if you really want to know whats going on in the background use -vvvv
19:33 < njn> its prob not going to tell you much other that what ive already said that its doing tho
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21:18 < FenderQ> finkfox: I sometimes encounter that slow install scenario. Using pkg_add with -vvvvv I run systat(1), press '1' to view the network transfer rates, then switch mirrors via installurl(5) until I get one that uses my full network bandwidth, the problem is fixed
21:22 < FenderQ> I once tried doing a pkg_add from a place that throttled the connection, it was so slow I had to do it elsewhere
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21:24 < thrig> yeah CDDA might not fly over coffee shop wifi
21:24 < FenderQ> ^
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