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00:04 < Bradipo> When I put a font in ~/.fonts, how do I reload the fonts so they are immediately available to programs rather than logout/login?
00:04 < Bradipo> I've tried: xset fp rehash
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00:04 < Bradipo> That didn't work.
00:06 < seninha> Bradipo, scalable fonts or XLFD fonts?
00:06 < seninha> If the latter, you need to add ~/.fonts to X server's font path
00:07 < seninha> `xset +fp ~/.fonts`
00:07 < seninha> and then `xset fp rehash`
00:07 < Bradipo> TTF font.
00:07 < Bradipo> If I logout/login the font becomes available.
00:08 < ndut7> rehash may be baraq 
00:08 < ndut7> rehash may be Bradipo 
00:08 < Bradipo> I tried rehash, but it didn't work.
00:08 < Bradipo> Let me try again.
00:08 < seninha> and also run `mkfontdir ; mkfontscale` to reindex ~/.fonts
00:08 < Bradipo> Maybe that's what I'm missing.
00:08 < seninha> Bradipo, if TTF. Then that's a fontconfig issue, not xset.
00:09 < Bradipo> Well, I tried fc-cache and it didn't do anything either.
00:10 < Bradipo> "mv File.ttf ~/.fonts" followed by logout/login works.
00:10 < Bradipo> But I shouldn't have to logout/login...
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00:13 < itrsea> How do I join a OpenBSD conference?
00:14 < Bradipo> Ok, well, it looks like mkfontdir and mkfontscale may have done the trick.
00:14 < seninha> Bradipo, fontconfig uses the XDG-conforming "~/.local/share/fonts/" now.
00:15 < Bradipo> lol
00:15 < Bradipo> Ok, always a moving target.
00:15 < seninha> (Except when the program does not)
00:15 < Bradipo> Yeah.
00:16 < Bradipo> So, are you saying that if I just put the .ttf in ~/.local/share/fonts it will automagically work say in Gimp?
00:16 < Bradipo> Without logout/login?  Guess I'll try.
00:17 < seninha> also update fontconfig cache
00:17 < seninha> fc-cache(1)
00:17 < seninha> (or not, fontconfig does that on program initialization)
00:21 < seninha> Bradipo, did it work?
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00:27 < tvtoon> you need to put them on default font path
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00:28 < tvtoon> then use fc-cache
00:28 < Bradipo> Give me a minute, trying a new font now.
00:30 < Bradipo> So, I downloaded a new .ttf and saved it to ~/.local/share/fonts (didn't exist previously).  Then I ran fc-cache.
00:31 < Bradipo> Then I opened gimp and the font is *not* available.
00:31 < tvtoon> use the default system path, fontconfig for some reason never bothered to get "modern"
00:32 < Bradipo> But according to "fc-cache -v" it has my ~/.local/share/fonts
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00:36 < tvtoon> yeah, I don't know if the problem is inside the loader or the cache builder but it has been a long standing issue by now
00:36 < ndut7> brb
00:36 < tvtoon> it only uses the ones inside the default system path
00:37 < tvtoon> "/usr/X11/share/fonts" I believe it is
00:37 < Bradipo> Yeah, I'll just stick with what works... mkfontdir; mkfontscale
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00:52 < Bradipo> Thanks peoples.
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01:05 < itrsea> It seems node requires patching since it does not resolve package dependencies with npm. I am new to both BSD and Node.JS.
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01:44 < byteskeptical> itrsea: are you using the nodejs from pkg_add?
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02:10 < itrsea> byteskeptical: yes, the package is called node.
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02:17 < itrsea> docker is installed as a package, but how do I start the socket daemon?
02:33 < ndut7> service somethjng may be itrsea
02:33 < ndut7> node last time i check is not the latest version
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03:13 < itrsea> I installed webassembly as a user, not a developer. I will check if the install was successful.
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03:19 < itrsea> Qt Creator is broken on my computer. File menues are not responsive neither to clicks nor mouse keys.
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03:36 < A1ice> why openbsd is deeply bind to X11 tools
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03:41 < dkeav> because you touch yourself at night
03:46 < A1ice> lol, i can ____ real human in public, linus & x11 jerks can't do that
03:47 < dkeav> well yea linus and any remaining x11 jerks are in a nursing home, so makes sense
03:47 < dkeav> but to answer your question, its well understood codebase and etc, if you want it to be something else, patches are welcome 
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04:28 < phy1729> dkeav: be civil please
04:28 < dkeav> aye aye
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06:27 < remiliascarlet> X11 "jerks"?
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07:12 < IcePic> remiliascarlet: there were some unfriendly stuff done in the Xfree86 -> xorg times
07:13 < remiliascarlet> What kind of unfriendly stuff?
07:17 < IcePic> relicensing so that it was no longer free enough for obsd to use, for one
07:18 < IcePic> https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/the-xfree86-license-fiasco.567662/
07:22 < remiliascarlet> Aren't most Xorg contributors nowadays OpenBSD developers?
07:24 < IcePic> the list is long, but at least deraadt, Matthieu Heerb, Todd Miller appears in it. https://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/RELNOTES6.html
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10:53 < anthk_> a pity libquicktime got slashed down, lqtplay was useful to play old QTVR panoramas
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11:03 < sibiria> doesn't libavcodec open those? playable with e.g. mpv if built with correct features
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11:12 < anthk_> qtvr are stereographic images, kinda like what street view does
11:13 < anthk_> you look them projected inside a cylinder
11:13 < anthk_> and you can turn around and such
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11:13 < anthk_> a MOV file can be either an Apple QT movie, or JPG? frames set with some headers to projet them
11:14 < anthk_> some scenes I have they use 6 or 7 images per view 
11:14 < anthk_> here there are a few examples: http://museohc.com/retroweb/caceres-en.html
11:15 < anthk_> old libquicktime can be fetched from the ports via cvsweb
11:15 < anthk_> and maybe with cvs(1) with some flags
11:15 < anthk_> movies in that web are set as an <embed> tag, so a browser might show up them as a link
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11:17 < sibiria> not sure what different things can be tucked into the .mov container, but i gather more than regular video
11:18 < sibiria> i remember having .qt files with just text documents in them. actual text, that is
11:21 < anthk_> oh, how?
11:22 < anthk_> did Apple used them for something else? Such as with their own suite?
11:24 < anthk_> ah, btw, now that I'm here... dosbox-x should be recompiled with the dynamic core support, /usr/local it's already wxallowed
11:25 < sibiria> i don't know, maybe it was subtitles or something
11:25 < sibiria> it was a help document for the game Myst, which is "programmed in quicktime" sort of
11:26 < sibiria> hypertalk + quicktime
11:28 < anthk_> which  was the port flag to enable WXALLOWED? I can't remmeber
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11:46 < FenderQ> anthk_: I believe it is USE_WXNEEDED = Yes
11:49 < anthk_> thanks
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11:50 < anthk_>  I will rebuild dosbox-x now
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11:57 < anthk_> how can I remount /home as wxallowed without rebooting?
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12:24 < anelli> anthk_ i think you can log off all users under /home then login as root. umount /home and then mount it
12:24 < anelli> there's a `-o wxallowed' in mount(8)
12:25 < anelli> if you gotta add the rest of the options in your /etc/fstab for home to your mount command (rw,nodev,nosuid,noatime in my case)
12:25 < anelli> s/if/i guess/
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12:51 < anthk_> now compiling it with dynamic core..
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13:46 < sonya> urxvt-everything has no transparency control for backgroung.. am i missing smth or it's just like planned?
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14:15 < TommyC> sonya: Did you set its transparency option in ~/.Xresources?
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14:34 < sonya> TommyC: no, directly by $ urxvt  -depth 32 -bg "[20]#000000"
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14:40 < sonya> TommyC: https://termbin.com/uqk2  - results of $ xrdb -query | grep -i rxvt
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14:50 < anthk_> does it need a compositor?
14:50 < anthk_> I think not
14:50 < anthk_> ?
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14:58 < sonya> anthk_: thanks! .. it appears that urxvt do needs xcompmgr to control transparency.. what a..
14:59 < pardis> a compositor is always required to support transparency
15:00 < pardis> otherwise urxvt would need to scrape the contents of the window "behind" it from the X server and then re-render that in its own window
15:01 < sonya> guess not.. like for vte - it requires smth like jit or else.. here's gtk2-vte has transparency without any extra..
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15:01 < sonya> yes, it's pseudo-transparent and no control for the degree level, but anyway - it works..
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15:08 < pardis> gtk2?
15:08 < pardis> are you running OpenBSD 6.8?
15:10 < sonya> 7.7 and build for local use.. i'd try eterm (which is able for preudo-trans also), but it conflicts with ksh93 (my main shell)..
15:10 < sonya> may be aterm is an option.. need to try..
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15:13 < sonya> mlterm is also great, but smth forced to remove it.. can't remember..
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15:16 < anthk_> eterm and the rest copied the root window into the terminal background
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15:17 < anthk_> the rest of terms could use it without compositing I think, with XRender?
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15:19 < anthk_> ah they can't
15:19 < anthk_> the compositor will itself use XRender
15:19 < anthk_> or GLX
15:19 < anthk_> it depends
15:20 < anthk_> but didn't KDE3 achieve that too back in the day without no compositor?
15:20 < anthk_> or kwin did that by itself?
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15:22 < sonya> aterm (and assume eterm) is great if you need pseudo-transparency.. just build - it works.. but no utf-8 support and it sucks.. :)
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15:31 < brutex> vortexx: hi
15:32 < brutex> vortexx: because amnesiac i have do it openbsd but i don't have an internet i can't bring it up what can i do, i have ftp.freebsd.org/pub, etc. amd64 in /etc/installerurl
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15:34 < brutex> dhcp lease or what
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15:34 < brutex> sometimes before of installations i have it ping on some sites works
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15:35 < sonya> i'm an idiot... $ urxvt -tr -sh 10 .. all i wanted.. thanks..
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15:45 < brutex> re
15:45 < brutex> vortexx: what u think
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15:45 < sibiria> it's hard to understand what you're looking for help with
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16:00 < anthk_> can I use CCACHE in a port?
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16:16 < brutex> re
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22:33 < armin> sonya: regarding your aterm message a couple of hours ago: if you want something seriously lightweight that will support transparency, my recommendations would be st (suckless terminal) with alpha patch for Xorg, or foot for Wayland.
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22:52 < sonya> armin: thanks.. it turns out that 'rxvt-unicode-9.31p2 (installed)' is good for me.. the only flavour with 256 color support and it can do pseudo-transparency (-tr -sh $) just fine (-sh shadows/darkens bg and it's exactly what i needed).. i'll look at ST..
22:52 < armin> sonya: well sure, if that thing does what you want, I won't blame you...
22:53 < armin> sonya: also be sure you know about this one here: xterm -fg gray90 -bg gray10 +sb -fa 'Monospace' -fs 12 -xrm 'XTerm.VT100.Translations: #override Ctrl <Key> minus: smaller-vt-font()' -xrm 'XTerm.VT100.Translations: #override Ctrl <Key> minus: smaller-vt-font()\nCtrl <Key> plus: larger-vt-font()'
22:53 < armin> sonya: won't do anything fancy, but it will enable font increase/decrease size
22:54 < armin> sonya: maybe just a fancy alias to make your life easier that you could keep, I don't know what your workflow is...
22:54 < sonya> Ctl+RClick for xterm is ok..
22:54 < armin> sure if that works for you whatever
22:55 < armin> try it though, you'll see why having ctrl-+/ctrl-- is nice
22:55 < sonya> thanks.. added to ~/.Xdefs..
22:56 < armin> there's many layers you can approach this from, be it xfce4-terminal because you know what works there or using aterm with some settings that tick all the checkmarks
22:56 < armin> that's all very good knowledge
22:57 < sonya> urxvt is a kind of aterm+utf-8.. so..
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23:39 < armin> sonya: tbh I never fully grasped this, at some point we had TERM=xterm-256color and whatnot, I honestly lost track over all the years.
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23:41 < sonya> armin: thanks for st.. build and it's great.. should learn how to deal with pseudo-transparency..
23:41 < armin> sonya: I even remember the move from ISO8859-1 to ISO8859-15 back then, it was not that much of a nice experience.
23:43 < armin> sonya: It's basically running some compositor, whichin Xorg terms picom is most likely what you will want, but on Wayland again, every window manager implements this on their own, and so on, really, I can't describe this all any more, it wen over the top of my head, I'm 45 years old now and I have some major disabilities, I follow along as good as I still can hehe.
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23:44 < armin> being able to run OpenBSD desktops however was a level up step, which came with 7.1 or 7.2
23:44 < armin> that was nice, afterall
23:45 < sonya> ok, thanks, will dig as a happy pig :)
23:46 < armin> we were on IRCnet back then and the ISO8859 crew of us was so strong it was impossible to convince everyone that UTF-8 be the future
23:46 < armin> they were all like "NO WAY WE GOT ALL THE CHARS WE NEED BRO"
23:47 < armin> now you have an actual kebab emoji in your chat
23:47 < sonya> well.. actually utf is not as good.. it's a bit huge, but unification is a key here..
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23:47 < armin> well you can't imagine how much that caused trouble back then
23:48 < armin> we we're all like AEIOU and then someone comes along and goes like ÄÖÜ € or whatever
23:48 < sonya> i can.. still have an old email archives in all sort of encodings..
23:49 < armin> it was not fun, all we were asking for is the tiniest subset
23:52 < sonya> yeah.. and there was utf-7, then 8 and now MS and CO° push utf-16/32/BE/LE/BOM and size of a simple text fattens up..
23:53 < sonya> though utf-7 was never official..
23:54 < sonya> and the zoo of 'national' encodings could amuse to the dumbness almost all..
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