--- Log opened Sat May 31 00:00:04 2025
--- Day changed Sat May 31 2025
00:00 < flaxarn> Server + client can talk normal tcp, udp, anything
00:00 < flaxarn> Inside tunnel
00:00 < flaxarn> RDR-TO traffic is the failure
00:00 < vortexx> ah they can? OK then you just have a routing issue
00:01 < vortexx> thus my ospfd or bgpd suggestion
00:01 < vortexx> (I use bgpd back from when I was using openvpn for my tunnels)
00:01 < flaxarn> Is it route for server WAN IP missing?
00:01 < flaxarn> On client
00:03 < flaxarn> Wg work different from common encapsulation. I dont 100% understand it yet
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00:05 < vortexx> it seems to have some form of own routing but that's never been clear to me
00:05 < vortexx> oldlaptop: any ideas?
00:06 < vortexx> flaxarn: you should check the routing tables on all devices to see if they have the necessary routes
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00:06 < vortexx> nothing works if there is no return route on final destination
00:07 < flaxarn> But what truly IS necessary route in this case. I dont know networking so no idea
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00:09 < oldlaptop> Wireguard does its own routing in the sense that wgaip defines which peer to send traffic to
00:09 < flaxarn> Server + client talk perfect. But when I throw to client a external packet with RDR-TO......client will not respond to it
00:10 < oldlaptop> If something is going on at wireguard's level you should see complaints in dmesg if you set the debug option with ifconfig.
00:11 < vortexx> I don't think pf should be doing anything more than passing packets, not redirecting or anything like that
00:11 < flaxarn> No something is going on at Flaxarn network level
00:11 < oldlaptop> (I believe the equivalent for Linux endpoints usually needs a custom kernel)
00:11 < flaxarn> Wg 100% ok for sure
00:12 < flaxarn> vortexx Then how to get incoming connection from Internet into computer hiding other side of Wg tunnel?
00:13 < oldlaptop> I haven't read everything, so maybe I'm missing something - this sounds kind of like the "client's" wireguard stack might be rejecting your "external packet" for having the wrong source IP.
00:13 < Bradipo> No, it's a simple routing problem.  I gave up because he wouldn't answer my questions.
00:13 < flaxarn> oldlaptop Probably something like it
00:14 < flaxarn> Bradipo I am the one with questions, you are one with answers. You have the topology wrong ;-)
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00:14 < oldlaptop> If that's the case you would see messages to that effect in dmesg, with the offending wireguard interface's debug option on.
00:15 < flaxarn> Good advice I didnt turn on debug for interface and check dmesg
00:15 < oldlaptop> The solution would probably be to fix the "client's" wgaip for the other node to cover the offending source address.
00:16 < vortexx> oldlaptop: both were/are 0.0.0.0/0
00:16 < vortexx> oldlaptop: https://pastebin.com/raw/7sgmQYCJ
00:16 < oldlaptop> Well there goes that idea then.
00:18 < vortexx> brb laundry done
00:18 < flaxarn> Well you are right there is many messages in dmesg now "unallowed IP a.b.c.d" (a.b.c.d is Wg server WAN IP which I try connect to from Internet)
00:21 < flaxarn> But going back to 0.0.0.0/0 only remove those msg. Still no connection
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00:33 < vortexx> flaxarn: check on each device with route show that the IPs you try to reach/ping are reachable
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00:47 < vortexx> flaxarn: one other question: what does "connect from the internet" mean? VPN client to the server?
00:50 < flaxarn> vortexx Wg server is regular VPS on Internet. It act as fixed IP but wont run actual service. Client is computer with dynamic IP, sometime at home sometime outside. It does Wg connection to server and runs services that can be reach at Wg server WAN IP
00:51 < flaxarn> In past I ran the setup on Openvpn for years. But Openvpn is different beast completely......
00:51 < flaxarn> Trying to replace it
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00:53 < flaxarn> So fully understand the problem is routes (and/or how Pf forward traffic into tunnel and how client digest traffic from tunnel) but unlike Openvpn which was basic to deal with like a LAN network card, Wg is more complex somehow
00:53 < flaxarn> Simpler setup than Openvpn but topology and routing is harder to understand to me
00:54 < flaxarn> Openvpn "just work"
00:54 < flaxarn> Like it was a NIC with a switch in
00:54 < vortexx> man ospfd.conf & man bgpd.conf is all I can recommend
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00:56 < flaxarn> Thanks I note it in stuff to study
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01:34 < vortexx> there's example files in /etc/examples, as usual
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02:38 < Anti-Citation> Is there no binary for this package? echo$ doas pkg_add extra-cmake-modules
02:38 < Anti-Citation> quirks-7.103 signed on 2025-05-30T01:12:03Z
02:38 < Anti-Citation> Can't find extra-cmake-modules
02:38 < Anti-Citation> echo$ 
02:39 < mischief> kf6-extra-cmake-modules ?
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02:56 < vortexx> Anti-Citation: generally if you're unsure of a package's name, either pkg_add pkg_locatedb or go to your local mirror and check pub/OpenBSD/packages/$arch/ and search there
02:56 < pardis> or pkg_info -Q
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03:24 < Anti-Citation> Vortex: ah ok I got it, thanks I did pkg_add kf6-extra-cmake-modules-6.12.0 
03:24 < Anti-Citation> vortexx:
03:25 < Anti-Citation> thanks pardis
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15:58 < vortexx> flaxarn: re our conversation last night, I could suggest using an http proxy (such as squid) on the server and making the client use it to be able to access the network resources behind it
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17:06 < flaxarn> vortexx Hi
17:06 < flaxarn> Well the setup is reverse kind of
17:06 < flaxarn> "Client" is actually mobile server. Only a "client" in Wg sense. A peer
17:07 < flaxarn> One moment.......
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17:20 < flaxarn> vortexx Sorry dont know how to share draw io schematic so I made screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/UjmgnIk
17:34 < flaxarn> So today this is still Openvpn and it work with VPS just doing "... from any to port <25|443|anything> rdr-to 10.0.0.1" in Pf. No difference than if VPN (10.0.0.0/xyz) was instead a NIC with Ethernet switch and server was in the LAN
17:34 < flaxarn> In fact exact same thing. It was a LAN with switch in old days. I just replace the LAN with VPN using Openvpn
17:35 < flaxarn> And now I wanna replace Openvpn with Wg
17:36 < flaxarn> Brb
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18:30 < nerdcore> I am curious if folks here might recommend any specific hardware (vendor) on which to run OpenBSD to enhance system security by reducing attack surface of hardware vulnerabilities or backdoors?
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18:53 < vortexx> flaxarn: if you put the http proxy on the VPS and the various devices that connect to the VPS use it, the mobile server that's the wg peer should be accessible without any fancy routing stuff
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19:31 < flaxarn> vortexx Well maybe it can solve the httpd case but doesnt solve for jabberd or other service. Only proper solution is really to figure out what stops the routing going back
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19:44 < xse> flaxarn: don't know what's wrong i just tried the following which does like anything->obsd server:8000->wireguard->python http server on phone http://krkrkr.org:8000/hello.txt
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20:34 < flaxarn> xse My server config look similar or pretty much same actually. Is your "client" (phone) doing setting up something specific for route?
20:36 < robertkeizer> nerdcore: If you're looking for physical security, it all depends on what you're solving for. Rackmount/desktop/laptop - they all have different profiles. If your threat model includes five-eyes countries for example, the OS you happen to run is a very small part of "security". To be blunt, the question of if there are specific hardware vendors to reduce the risk of hardware backdoors comes across 
20:36 < robertkeizer> as "I want to do security!" without a reason to do so. If your threat model includes hardware vulnerabilities, you shouldn't be asking for suggestions of hardware publicly. 
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20:48 < oldlaptop> robertkeizer: I would make one carve-out: some of (for example) Intel's remote management stuff (implemented on that popular paranoia subject, the Management Engine) has turned out to be laughably insecure
20:48 < xse> flaxarn: the wg tool sets that up (same on windows client) for obsd clients depending on how you want things setup you can maybe look at https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-10-09-openbsd-wireguard-exit.html#_Default_route 
20:49 < oldlaptop> i.e. the threat model need not involve the Illuminati black helicopters, it could be the same random criminals on the coffe shop wi-fi or whatever who might exploit the file sharing you left turned on in your windows.
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20:49 < oldlaptop> Or even the coffee shop wi-fi.
20:51 < oldlaptop> On your terms I suppose those aren't really "hardware vulnerabilities".
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21:00 < flaxarn> Chinese SOC nobody know firmware of or even the hardware...... Or even Chinese X86 computer that have unknown BIOS/EFI......
21:02 < oldlaptop> (cheap mainland-Chinese IoT devices have been observed phoning home, in cleartext)
21:03 < flaxarn> Huawei smartphones have found to call home and drop package with call history + contact book + Sms history + bookmark in browser et.c et.c
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21:04 < flaxarn> xse Ok I will try some things with "catch all route" on peer computer that run services via Wg
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21:25 < vortexx> flaxarn: well maybe the devices can still use squid to relay traffic? Depends on the proxy settings of apps/devices
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21:25 < vortexx> or find another type of proxy, like SOCKS5
21:25 < vortexx> or whatever is in use these days, I haven't really kept up
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21:27 < vortexx> (dante does socks v5)
21:28 < vortexx> (ancient but still works)
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22:47 < flaxarn> vortexx xse So it works if setting Wg "client" to route all traffic at tunnel. Expected like normal use case to F.e. surf with VPN. What I was trying from start was "multihome" so default traffic is at normal interface and "special" inbound traffic is at the another interface (Wg in my case)
22:47 < flaxarn> But Im thinking this needs special sysctl config and routing
22:48 < flaxarn> Just like multihome does except "secondary" interface happen to be a Wg
22:48 < flaxarn> I dont really know how to setup multihome so I must settle to make the mobile server (Wg "client") have all traffic route at Wg tunnel
22:48 < flaxarn> Thanks alot for all info
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