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00:52 < ndut7> hi all l33t
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01:38 < izder456> https://mail-archive.com/ports@openbsd.org/msg133417.html wish me luck
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02:01 < pardis> I'm not a committer, but some explanation of what this does might be helpful
02:02 < pardis> I had to click through to the codeberg page to even work out what a "fetching utility" does
02:02 < pardis> it turns out it does not involve fetching anything
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09:46 < rIMpossible> Where can I find excessive documents about tftpd and how to configure it. I got dhcpd (-dvvv em0) and tftpd (-dvvv4) run on commandline and the PXE machine boots bsd.rd (tried install77.img, but loads endless due to octet limitation in clients). I want to know more and how to configre precisely.
09:48 < dlg> https://man.openbsd.org/tftpd.8 is the documentation
09:48 < rIMpossible> I think this is where httpd(8) comes into play. Or is there a possibility to point to the install sets via tftp protocol?
09:48 < dlg> if you want more detail you'll need to read the code
09:48 < dlg> you generally only boot the installer with tftpd
09:49 < dlg> the sets are usually served over http
09:49 < rIMpossible> Where do I give config options to tftpd(8)? In /etc/rc.conf.local only?
09:49 < dlg> yeah, or rcctl set tftpd flags 
09:49 < rIMpossible> dlg: Ok, then I need to fire up httpd(8)
09:50 < rIMpossible> dlg: thank you so far
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10:13 < IcePic> rIMpossible: if the tftpd' box has some kind of internet you dont have to run an httpd yourself
10:14 < IcePic> the-box-that-booted-bsd.rd-from-tftp <- to be more precise
10:14 < quinq> Maybe it's for installing inside a secure bunker
10:15 < IcePic> could be
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10:26 < mischief> you could probably chainload install77.iso or install77.img over tftp with ipxe and all of its fancy features, if that is what you really wanted to do (it probably isnt)
10:29 < IcePic> yeah, one can load ipxe and "re-start" the pxe using it and it can load long files from pxe and/or http
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10:34 < IcePic> if I thought anyone wanted to hear it, I'd rant about how crappy x86 booting is, but it gets tiresome to hear me whine about it all the time
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10:37 < quinq> Like compared to arm booting?
10:38 < IcePic> quinq: openfirmware at least
10:39 < quinq> well, ok then :)
10:39 < IcePic> not a super fan of the arm/riscv shit with dtb,uboot stuff that moves all the time
10:40 < quinq> Having to inialize *everything* in the boot-loader
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10:41 < IcePic> its just that octeons can uboot and still not need to have the dtb on a smartcard somewhere that needs chaning all the time, and the kernel to adapt to each change
10:42 < IcePic> its like "this ERL3 will not have a sudden change of the numbers of eth ports or serials or clocks so we can hardcode the dtb and ship it like that" and it works. For some reason that logic doesn't work for an rpi4 or the other arm sbcs
10:43 < quinq> Well, to be fair that's mostly just a U-Boot configuration, you don't need a DTB for initializing your SoC, it's an implementation decision
10:43 < quinq> IcePic, exactly :D
10:44 < quinq> I think this is driven mostly by incompetence^Wunawarness
10:44 < quinq> e
10:45 < IcePic> I get that every chinese elcheapo-board is totally different and need its own stuff, but rpi4 or something will be made in the millions, so those could well have a static setup, in my simple view
10:45 < quinq> You're just speaking the truth
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10:57 < mischief> arm was just late to the game with uefi and acpi, or some slightly less horrible self-describing hw method like x86
10:57 < s4lt> ur chinesium is my chinesium
10:57 < mischief> and now we have a pile of vendor dtb poop.
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11:01 < oldlaptop> <IcePic> quinq: openfirmware at least
11:01 < oldlaptop> I suspect the hard truth here is that the vendors would find a way to wreck that too, or any other boot process/firmware thing
11:02 < quinq> :)
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11:07  * sonya followed $ man 8 diskless to manage thin-client setup and there was some tricks, but finally it worked for lan hosts.. tftpd served with rcctl flags.. 
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11:32 < rIMpossible> I have installed the whole directory of /pub/OpenBSD/7.7/amd64 to /var/www/htdocs/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/amd64. Once tftp has delivered bsd.rd and I am at the point of installing the sets it says: Unable to get a verified list of distribution sets."
11:33 < rIMpossible> there is no certificate on the host for httpd, so I forced to http only. The installer recognizes that and reverts from https to http (what it says on screen). The following line is the above mentioned error.
11:34 < rIMpossible> Any advice?
11:36 < mischief> you need the signed SHA256.sig
11:37 < quinq> Which should be in the whole directory
11:37 < quinq> rIMpossible, what URL do you pass to the installer?
11:38 < rIMpossible> quinq: pub/OpenBSD/7.7/amd64
11:38 < mischief> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/distrib/miniroot/install.sub#L2001
11:39 < rIMpossible> and my httpd runs on 192.168.1.243
11:39 < quinq> rIMpossible, that's not a URL
11:39 < rIMpossible> http://192.168.1.243:80/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/amd64
11:40 < quinq> Yeah, I don't think you need that much
11:40 < quinq> Only up to pub/
11:40 < quinq> The installer should fill the rest, version (7.7) and platform (amd64)
11:40 < quinq> Maybe you need the OpenBSD/, I don't remember
11:41 < rIMpossible> I needed only to define the IP, the directory indeed, was pre-given and is correct
11:41 < quinq> $ cat /etc/installurl
11:41 < quinq> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD
11:41 < quinq> Yep, that
11:42 < rIMpossible> I have no internet for now on this config
11:42 < rIMpossible> this is why tftpd/dhcpd/httpd
11:43 < quinq> Yeah but that has little to do with Internet
11:44 < quinq> You need to provide a URL where the install files are located
11:44 < quinq> s/files/file structure/
11:44 < quinq> So that would be http://192.168.1.243:80/pub/OpenBSD/, not http://192.168.1.243:80/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/amd64
11:46 < rIMpossible> if it asks for HTTP Server? (hostname or 'done') []. Does it accept only hostnames or also an IP address?
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11:52 < mischief> it should be a hostname or ip
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11:57 < mischief> it does work as expected here, if you replace ftp5.usa.openbsd.org with 66.111.2.37 for example
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12:11 < rIMpossible> mischief: ok, need to check my config... thank you for the moment
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13:01 < vortexx> rIMpossible: you need to create an index.txt file in /var/www/htdocs/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/amd64 using cd /var/www/htdocs/pub/OpenBSD/7.7/amd64 && ls -lR >index.txt
13:01 < vortexx> the installer has no way of scanning the sets dir
13:04 < vortexx> (if you run tcpdump on the mirror server you'll see the request for this file)
13:04 < rIMpossible> vortexx: Hi. I downloaded, as stated earlier, the whole directory of a OpenBSD mirror. I see in httpd logs, that it is GETting SHA256.txt and index.txt
13:05 < rIMpossible> s/SHA256.txt/SHA256.sig
13:05 < vortexx> ok
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14:04 < usagi_mimi> Is there a document with an overview of changes in Xenocara as compared to X.org?
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14:33 < rIMpossible> vortexx: It seems, it was a configuration problem in /etc/httpd.conf .
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14:37 < vortexx> rIMpossible: congrats on sorting that out
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14:55 < rIMpossible> vortexx: dlg: mischief: quinq: Thank you for pointing me to the right direction, to narrow and solve the problem
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15:05 < shtrophic> I was today years old when I learnt about "make ... MAKE_JOBS=4"
15:05 < shtrophic> Finally I mustn't feel me aging while my ports are building
15:06 < shtrophic> is this "MAKE_JOBS" a bsd-make thing or specific to "bsd.port.mk"?
15:08 < pardis> make(1) and bsd.port.mk(5) contain no information; don't look there
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15:08 < shtrophic> thanks for saving me even more time :)
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15:10 < Posterdati> hi
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15:10 < Posterdati> please help, I want to limit memory usage for certain user class
15:12 < Posterdati> I used datasize-, memory*- and vmemory- in login.conf but it seems not working, processes like eggdrop can override those settings...
15:12 < Posterdati> Thanks
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15:17 < Bradipo> shtrophic: https://man.openbsd.org/make#j though, I haven't heard of MAKE_JOBS before.
15:18 < Bradipo> MAKE_JOBS does appear to be documented with bsd.port.mk: https://man.openbsd.org/bsd.port.mk#MAKE_JOBS
15:18 < Bradipo> Of course pardis said not to look there, so you wouldn't have found them as easily as I did.
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15:23 < quinq> rIMpossible, you're welcome, what was it?
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15:32 < rIMpossible> quinq: wrong handling of the root dir
15:37 < quinq> Ah yeah, classic :)
15:37 < quinq> Nice
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16:34 < sonya> Posterdati: $ man 5 login.conf .. as an option - create a separate login-class (in /etc/login.conf or as /etc/login.conf.d/r_class) .. as root: usermod -L r_class test_user .. should work..
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16:36 < sonya> Posterdati: note *-cur/*-max options.. this will allow to make required adjustments in ~/.profile to be effective after logout/login
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16:45 < Posterdati> sonya: mmmh ok thanks
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18:23 < rIMpossible> I want to test a notebook as a router setup. I have iwn0 and em0. How can I prevent, that the gateway is assigned to em0, instead of iwn0 (what I want in that test case) ?
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18:24 < sibiria> assign a private network to it
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18:25 < quinq> rIMpossible, that would be done through pf rules
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18:29 < rIMpossible> Today is day of beginner errors. sibiria, you are right, one should not have it on one network, makes things easier in test scenarios
18:29 < Bradipo> rIMpossible: Is em0 obtaining a gateway from DHCP?
18:29 < rIMpossible> quinq: the pf rules are fine, that's not the point ;)
18:30 < quinq> That's exactly the point, the routing is done through routing table and pf rules
18:30 < rIMpossible> Bradipo: em0 from the client yes 'inet autoconf' that works fine.
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18:33 < sibiria> that is, assign a private network to the interface that's supposed to be your LAN
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18:35 < pardis> or, if you are just testing, don't use your real interfaces at all and set up some veb(4)s, perhaps in a separate rdomain
18:35 < rIMpossible> quinq: As said before, that's not the point, point was again some misconfig, what happens (in a setup like this) rarely, so I configured some bugs and got the glue to solve it
18:35 < sibiria> e.g. "inet 192.168.0.1/24 \n inet fc00::1/120"
18:35 < sibiria> inet6*
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18:37 < Bradipo> rdomain, fun.
18:39 < quinq> bah
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20:47 < echelon> off-topic.. is anyone else getting whois: cf.whois-servers.net: connect: Connection refused
20:48 < echelon> what kind of tld goes offline
20:49 < thrig> the whois protocol is old and probably destined to fall off the support wagon at some point
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20:51 < cqst>  /buffer 9
20:51 < cqst> welp.
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20:52 < ssm_> netcraft confirms whois protocol is dying
20:53 < Bradipo> It does?
20:54 < ssm_> Bradipo: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26168596
20:55 < ssm_> can't find the original
20:55 < echelon> what're we supposed to use instead
20:55 < Bradipo> The original died?
20:56 < ssm_> the plan fell off
20:56 < Bradipo> echelon: whois works for me.
20:56 < Bradipo> What domain are you trying that doesn't work?
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20:58 < echelon> Bradipo: looks like it's working again.. that was odd. thanks
20:58 < echelon> it was on .cf tld
20:58 < sibiria> dig +short tld. NS   # then just keep digging
20:59 < echelon> i should just get a .com so that this doesn't happen when i need it
21:01 < Bradipo> Yeah, I find that some of those smaller TLDs have trouble with whois.
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21:03 < echelon> Bradipo: it wasn't just whois, my ddns wasn't resolving
21:03 < Bradipo> Ok.
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21:06 < sibiria> ironic that someone with the nickname echelon also goes for a cloudflare-owned domain, the #1 internet SIGINT OP :P
21:06 < Bradipo> .cf is cloudflare?
21:06 < sibiria> no
21:06 < sibiria> but if it were for sale for the right money i bet they'd buy it!
21:08 < echelon> they would have to buy the central african republic
21:08 < sibiria> or just buy the rights to manage it
21:09 < Bradipo> I probably wouldn't have anything critical on said domain.
21:09 < sibiria> and then just sit on it. like sweden does with .nu
21:10 < Bradipo> Some places have anti-sitting measures in place.  They think that because a domain doesn't have a "www" presence that it must necessarily be "squatting".
21:10 < sibiria> sweden sitting on .nu TLD is something a bit different than squatting
21:11 < Bradipo> Yeah, I suppose.
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21:18 < Bradipo> The point that I was making, I suppose, is that when you let countries control infrastructure, they are wont to make stupid things happen, and your example about .nu is apropos.
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21:20 < mischief> i thought RDAP was supposed to replace whois
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21:27 < sonya> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registration_Data_Access_Protocol
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21:41 < sibiria> how does one tunefs /?
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21:42 < sibiria> tunefs isn't part of the ramdisk kernel
21:42 < sibiria> the logistics of copying it over to tmpfs or similar seems unideal
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21:44 < vortexx> rdsetroot it ?
21:44 < vortexx> otherwise I guess move the drive to another openbsd system?
21:45 < sibiria> i did it the clumsy way i suggested (rd-kernel, mount /, pull tunefs out of there, unmount)
21:46 < sibiria> tunefs really feels like something that should be in the ramdisk kernel's userland
21:46 < vortexx> the bugs section of the manpage says it works on mount fs but for / you need to reboot to have the changes take effect
21:46 < vortexx> s/mount/mounted
21:47 < sibiria> "device busy", obviously. and after a reboot the effect hadn't taken place
21:48 < pardis> device busy is likely due to securelevel(7)
21:48 < pardis> so you could presumably configure securelevel=-1, reboot, tunefs, remove securelevel config and reboot again
21:48 < vortexx> so... boot -s then tunefs then reboot?
21:49 < pardis> but I agree that putting it in bsd.rd would be a better solution
21:53 < sibiria> vortexx: single-user mode doesn't boot up in the required securelevel for that but ramdisk kernel does, it's why i went there
21:53 < sibiria> a bit hamfisted but it works of course
21:53 < sonya> here's dmesg of bsd.rd slightly differs from 'regular' /bsd dmesg.. guess it's fine but where can i read a bit more about it? thanks..
21:53 < pardis> what do you want to read? "bsd.rd is different from bsd"?
21:54 < sonya> dmesg from bsd.rd differ a bit
21:54 < pardis> if you want to see the specific kernel config differences they'll be in /sys/arch/$(machine)/conf as usual
21:54 < sonya> ok..
21:54 < pardis> you said that already, but what about the difference are you expecting to read?
21:54 < sonya> sec.. i'll show..
21:56 < sonya> example of string from bsd.rd dmesg which is absent in /bsd: spdmem0 at iic6 addr 0x50: 16GB DDR4 SDRAM PC4-17000 SO-DIMM
21:57 < pardis> but what do you want to know about that?
21:57 < pardis> the kernel configs I already mentioned are what determine the drivers in each kernel
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21:58 < pardis> and looking at GENERIC vs. RAMDISK_CD, the spdmem driver is indeed in the former and not the latter
21:58 < sonya> that's the one i'm interested.. didn't check line-by-line.. at least i want to know why this diffs are here..
21:59 < sonya> ok.. then i need to study it.. thanks..
21:59 < vortexx> sibiria: oh I thought level 0 would be enough, sorry
22:00 < pardis> it may not be securelevel-related, that was an educated guess on my part
22:01 < sibiria> probably is. ramdisk kernel can access and modify the metadata even when the label is mounted
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22:03 < vortexx> at least tunefs seems a standalone bin so it can be rdsetroot'd easily enough (for a given value of "easily", it not being a tool most of us use on any regular basis...)
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